Strategy Rookie draft

[Pure_Ownage]

Cavarra
Henry
Sexton
Simpson

I really like sexton but with us taking in three sub 180cm players (parfitt narkle simpson) i doubt we take anymore really short guys which probably rules out sexton and atkins.

 

[year of the cat]

Good post, I do get where you are coming from, not that I necessarily agree though.
I am all for a fresh approach if and when the current approach is proven to have failed - no problem there.
But taking a look back since '07 at National Draft selections taken after #50 makes for some pretty sobering reading.
We've got a handful who have made a small contribution and maybe only Pods is the only unqualified success (McCarthy Cowan and the 2015 group still have time on their side to be fair).

'07 Dan McKenna (#50), Adam Donohue (#60)
'09 Josh Cowan (#56) Jeremy Laidler (#65)
'10 Jordan Schroder (#54), James Podsiadly (#58)
'11 Lincoln McCarthy (#66), Orren Stephenson (#78), Jed Bews (#86)
'12 Bradley Hartman (#77), Jeremy Stringer (#92)
'13 Josh Walker (#54), George Burbury (#63)
'14 Dean Gore (#55), Jordan Cunico (#59)

So, having a bunch of selections after #50 is unlikely to do much for lifting the list profile based on that evidence - whereas the club has had some success at the draft with 100+ game players drafted sub-#40, e.g. Duncan, Motlop, Guthrie, Harry Taylor.
It makes perfect sense that the higher end draft picks are the better players - not always, but usually.
So going into this draft with 3 selections above #60 never filled me with much confidence that the players chosen would end up any better than say Jordan Schroder.
And how do you, or anyone, *know* that House, Abbott or Stewart weren't on any other clubs radars? We just don't. Maybe the club knew something. Maybe they weren't confident that these players - who I rate as decent prospects, having seen them play against men at VFL level - would last until the Rookie Draft?

I'm less sure about the younger players drafted earlier in the draft, but at least we had those early-ish picks to actually spend on speculative young talent.

But history shows that if you're gonna hit the draft hard, then it's a concentrated group of picks from #40's and below that'll give you your best chance at adding a group of up n comers to the list. The later picks are a raffle, and in a way I can understand why the club chose to use them on known quantities ..

Fair post too. I'd I suppose counter that argument by saying that if you draft young talent, even late, it effectively gives you the first couple of picks in the rookie draft. Now, we know that the strike rate isnt great for Geelong here either but other clubs have managed to make it a very handy resource. I'm sure the stats for kids taken over 50 isn't great which lends weight to your argument but I did think that this was one year it would be worth chancing the arm on the kids rather than on mature types.

It does appear as you say that Wells (and a few other clubs to be fair) didn't rate the tail end of the draft as highly as others. We don't and won't have an answer for that for a few years. Hopefully House and Abbott can have a meaningful career compared to the alternative younger types that we could have picked. Will be an interesting review to have in 2019.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The only issue is giants can add sproule as a priority rookie if he agrees (like with us and simpson so we wont get a crack at him).

I think the backline has good depth now and the inside mids are good and obviously we have got in 2 mature kpf (black and house) and a backup ruck. I still feel our forward line is uncertain and dependent on hawkins menzel and motlop. So i would like a medium forward to backup menzel and an outside mid/hff to give us a ball carrying option besides motlop.

Henry from the falcons i wouldnt mind for the former havent decided who for the latter.

Back up for Menzel would be handy. I think we're looking at things somewhat similarly. I'd like a young ruck back up as I still think we're light in the ruck, especially if Stanley plays forward.

Would like an upgrade on Murdoch but not sure the rookie draft is the place to look

 

[walker80]

1 - Tony Olango - Developing Ruck. Super Raw but great athleticism, actually chases and follows up and show nice glimpses
2 - Sam Walker - Half Back with nice intercepting mark and long kick skills
3 - Jack Henry / Jack Blood / Max Augerinos - Go local, but with youth this time. All these guys have shown promise
4 - Sam Simpson - He's one of ours. Has tricks.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Wells great reputation is largely based around two drafts where the club was able to assemble multiple selections inside the top 40.
I'm not sure he's had that opportunity since '01; he certainly didn't have that hand to play last night.
Any disillusionment I have felt manifested during trade week; due to the club's (= Wells as well, of course) decision to load up on the likes of Dangerfield, Henderson, Tuohy etc we just didn't have that necessary bunch of sub-#40 selections to replicate the approach the club took in '99 and '01.

Great post CC. Currently our list isn't at the point where we need to be rebuilding it, hence the approach that we are currently taking. Now anyone can argue that we are taking the wrong approach but it seems pretty clear that we have an objective and we're not afraid to go after it.

I for one have no problem with our approach due to the fact that if we do happen to fall short of a premiership we'll still have enough quality youth to be able to "go" again after a couple of rebuilding years which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. There are enough "components" to be able to build around even if things don't turn out as well as expected so I say lets just go for it!

 

[Turbocat]

I can only say the players id have hoped for in the National will be considered. I did read a theory on the Rookie draft that the best talent available will probably be sub 180..small players who have been looked over due to their height. We have already drafted small so that probably smothers that idea.
But one player that is that height I like is Dan Allsop.

Players that I have mentioned before like Brodie ROMENSKY , Cameron Zurhaar , Matt Guelfi , Juhdan DUNDON...

 

[David the Cat]

Sproule
Scharenburg
Henry
Simpson

Some hidden gem from somewhere no one has ever heard of if Sproule is taken by GWS.


By selecting these four, it means we will get none of them.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Some good players left would be happy with any of Walker, Sproule, Brayshaw, scharenberg, or Lebois.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-27/secondchance-saloon-the-most-likely-2016-rookies

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I have just put the Rookie Draft Prediction Competition up on our main Geelong board, everyone is welcome to vote up until 10AM Tomorrow.

 

[GHS33]

Some good players left would be happy with any of Walker, Sproule, Brayshaw, scharenberg, or Lebois.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-27/secondchance-saloon-the-most-likely-2016-rookies

Junker is a big bodied utility with a nice left foot that I can see us picking up. He's also a mad surfer so that doesn't hurt his cause either.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I can only say the players id have hoped for in the National will be considered. I did read a theory on the Rookie draft that the best talent available will probably be sub 180..small players who have been looked over due to their height. We have already drafted small so that probably smothers that idea.
But one player that is that height I like is Dan Allsop.

Players that I have mentioned before like Brodie ROMENSKY , Cameron Zurhaar , Matt Guelfi , Juhdan DUNDON...

Zurhaar now apart from the name being awesome to call he would definitely be a good fit for our needs.

 

[year of the cat]

Duman and Morrish are two I'd love to hear called. Whimpress is another that has some appealing attributes. I'd say Sam Walker will be one of the first called or head to a SA club so can forget him I'd think.

 

[Turbocat]

Zurhaar now apart from the name being awesome to call he would definitely be a good fit for our needs.

id like him for sure.. but i will guess others. if i pick them we seem to have little hope

 

[Pure_Ownage]

id like him for sure.. but i will guess others. if i pick them we seem to have little hope

By the way I found some video of the that APS St Kevins player Oliver Hanrahan that we were linked to during the week.

 

[year of the cat]

By the way I found some video of the that APS St Kevins player Oliver Hanrahan that we were linked to during the week.

Saw this vision last week. Can see why he generated a bit of interest but difficult to assess the standard of comp he was playing in compared to TAC and equivalent

 

[Catman]

Yep would be happy with Cavarra. Also reckon Delaney is a chance to be re rookied he is a big KPD - Lonergan size. Was travelling alright injury wise.

He and his brother signed with Grovedale, so I imagine the club have no intention to rookie list him again or else he would have held off signing until after Tuesday.

 

[catswhiskers]

Thanks. Yes of course - didn't know that. He will be a very good player in the GFL.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Pretty disillusioned after last night. To be honest I think this trade/draft period has been a complete waste of opportunity. Sure that was a throw away line but if I'd said prior to last nights draft that we'd be taking 3 VFL players you would have thought I was madder than Trump.

Wells needs to get back to what made him one of the best recruiters in the business. Identifying the best young talent available; not being too cute; and start to think of 3-5 years ahead rather than mindless bandaids that we've seen of late.

It would take a lot more than that to be madder than trump. You would have to molest them all and call the other three draftees murderers and rapist, feign disability and called them fat and ugly. Still wouldnt reach the level with that.

 

[year of the cat]

It would take a lot more than that to be madder than trump. You would have to molest them all and call the other three draftees murderers and rapist, feign disability and called them fat and ugly. Still wouldnt reach the level with that.

Hard to argue with that. Pleasing or maybe relieving that he's moderated his language considerably since winning the election. Time will tell how this administration fairs. Though his commitment to improve infrastructure, thereby creating employment in some hard hit areas appears to be decent policy. Whether it's just words today that will be forgotten tomorrow as we've seen with him before is the unknown.

 

[supahoops]

Reckon we should go with a Dangerfield type..

 

[Catsnlakers]

Switkowski may be worth taking a look at i reckon.

 

[CatRiot]

Knightmare had the following as the top 5 rookie draft power rankings:

1. Ben Ronke
2. Brodie Romensky
3. Lachlan Walker
4. Brett Eddy
5. Jonty Scharenberg

 

[CatTricks]

Sproule
Blood
Augerinos
Simpson

 

[GFrost]

What time does the Rookie draft start?

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

What time does the Rookie draft start?

I believe it's 4pm today