Rookie elevation

[krisholio14]

Walker doesn't necessarily need to play senior footy this year to be promoted to the senior list, a really good year at vfl level will get him that.

That said I think he will debut later in the year.

I'm not so certain Stringer's first cab off the rank, all the rookies have been good, I haven't seen anything to suggest he's ahead of them, so it's fairly level pegging right now. That said, if we keep getting smashed in clearances that only helps him, because while his disposal can be scrappy at times, clearances are his go.

We only have the need for a clearance mid at the moment, and Stringer is that sort of player. He's also ripping it up in the VFL.

Walker and Bathie are guys we will certainly look at elevating at the end of the season if they keep up their current form. Same with Burbs, for that matter.

The main thing right at the moment is that we don't have a vital need to put anyone up at the moment even though we can.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We only have the need for a clearance mid at the moment, and Stringer is that sort of player. He's also ripping it up in the VFL.

Walker and Bathie are guys we will certainly look at elevating at the end of the season if they keep up their current form. Same with Burbs, for that matter.

The main thing right at the moment is that we don't have a vital need to put anyone up at the moment even though we can.

Yeah I agree with all of that, although I think you're going to see someone like Cowan come in ahead of Stringer once he's fit. But he's a chance if he keeps plugging away. I do agree all of those guys are a chance to get elevated at the end of the year, but we won't necessarily put anyone in the 22 now.

Using LTI and opening up that spot is really about motivating the rookies by putting that carrot out there, doesn't necessarily mean we will use it.

 

[Turbocat]

Sorry I didn't phrase myself well.

What I was trying to say was of the kids currently outside the side Hogan is the most 'pure' midfielder we have (we don't have a lot of pure mids on the list) and to boot he is more experienced than the others and brings to the table stuff we saw we haven't had so far this year (clearances, speed on the spread). He has to get in on form like anyone else, no backing away from me on that, and he hasn't yet shown the oustanding form he did last year in the vfl, hence not being in the seniors atm. But if you hit a situation later in the year where Stringer Simpkin and Hogan are all in equally good form, you would pick Hogan for the reasons stated I'd say.

Walker by contrast can easily come up off the rookie list with some good performances (which he's already starting to put down) because we've got depth cover issues (down back if Gillies doesn't come on and ruck until Simpson is fit) which we don't have anyone on the senior list to come in from outside the 22.

That's kinda what I was trying to say, didn't make much sense because I didn't explain it that way.

This is a good point. As you know Hogan is not may fav but as Ive said for Gillies and Brown , comes a time that players must be played. If they dont its time to move on , so purely from that POV Id be happy to see if Hogan can change my mind.I doubt but there you go.

My preference would be a Stringer or Schroder. Schroder can really add to our goal scoring power when forward, something Im not convinced Hogan will ever do. Haven't seen much of Stringer but what I saw said he find a way to get inside which is a requirement atm.

A question. Has Walker relieved Banjanin in the ruck. In NAB he rucked for a short period of time , perhaps this is his way into the side. If he can just give West a breather he is probably a more flexible alternative to OS

I quite like the look of OS but he is not going to be a Jpod. He looks like it will take time to make an impact. In a way , its probably tougher to come to grips with his position than it was for Pods. It was smart to recruit him but perhaps with us needing to get games into Brown and perhaps Walker , he is best used as a reserve to West , not as his 2nd in the side.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This is a good point. As you know Hogan is not may fav but as Ive said for Gillies and Brown , comes a time that players must be played. If they dont its time to move on , so purely from that POV Id be happy to see if Hogan can change my mind.I doubt but there you go.

My preference would be a Stringer or Schroder. Schroder can really add to our goal scoring power when forward, something Im not convinced Hogan will ever do. Haven't seen much of Stringer but what I saw said he find a way to get inside which is a requirement atm.

A question. Has Walker relieved Banjanin in the ruck. In NAB he rucked for a short period of time , perhaps this is his way into the side. If he can just give West a breather he is probably a more flexible alternative to OS

I quite like the look of OS but he is not going to be a Jpod. He looks like it will take time to make an impact. In a way , its probably tougher to come to grips with his position than it was for Pods. It was smart to recruit him but perhaps with us needing to get games into Brown and perhaps Walker , he is best used as a reserve to West , not as his 2nd in the side.

To answer your question no, neither Walker or Bathie have been rucking, Hollmer (vfl list) has been doing it as they seem to be trying to settle Walker as a forward and Bathie at full back.

On Orren I do agree, he will be useful and is needed (heck we'd be stuffed now if we hadn't have recruited him) but he might not play every week, I can't see us using one ruck regularly throughout the year as we'd burn out West, but against particular opponents we might do it and this could create a vacancy for a Walker type if he's in form at that time.

I do agree we need to look at the midfield though. I'm not sure whether Stringer's the answer, we're only a couple of games in, we'll see how he goes. Schroder is an option too once he builds up his fitness base. Hogan is more ready now fitness wise and you would think if they don't play him in the first half of the year they probably won't play him at all. We will see.

 

[Just do something]

Just read on Twitter that they have elevated Jesse Stringer up from the rookie list for Nathan Vardy. Well done to Stringer be good if he can get a game in the next few weeks.

 

[Selective Retention]

They must be worried about our midfield too.

 

[thejester]

Stoked for Stringer but a little surprised at the same time - he's been playing well but hard to see him making a significant difference at senior level, certainly no more so than Schroder and Hogan.

 

[Baudolino]

Stoked for Stringer but a little surprised at the same time - he's been playing well but hard to see him making a significant difference at senior level, certainly no more so than Schroder and Hogan.

Well there's certainly a longer queue for midfield spots than there is for KPP, rucks, or mid-sized forwards, so in that sense I'm a bit surprised Burbury or Walker weren't elevated ahead of Stringer.

That being said, from what I've seen by far the best of the rookies is Eardley, whose body probably isn't AFL ready, but whose footy smarts and skill level looks easily good enough to play games for Geelong in a year or two.

 

[you pick one]

Hats off to Turbo.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Well I expect him to be named in the 25 tonight then, no point elevating him unless he's likely to play (because it costs us money).

I'm surprised by Stringer TBH, not because his form isn't good, he's been really good at vfl level, definite ball winner, bull of a tackler for a little bloke and our midfield does need bolstering, disposal still needs a bit of work but it's improving all the time.

Like jester I am surprised he's ahead of Hogan, who's form has been reasonable, and Schroder who's really been banging the door down. Scott also mentioned Cowan in his presser yesterday as the next newbie likely to come in albeit he's injured at the moment, so it might be a case of wanting to have a look at Stringer now before he's back, and his good form has come at the right time. As Stringer's a third year rookie he has to be elevated or delisted at the end of the year so it was always likely they were going to promote him to give him a chance to show what he can do if his form was good.

Krisholio will be very happy.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Well there's certainly a longer queue for midfield spots than there is for KPP, rucks, or mid-sized forwards, so in that sense I'm a bit surprised Burbury or Walker weren't elevated ahead of Stringer.

That being said, from what I've seen by far the best of the rookies is Eardley, whose body probably isn't AFL ready, but whose footy smarts and skill level looks easily good enough to play games for Geelong in a year or two.

That's true but I think it was influenced by the fact we have two guys LTI (Menzel and Vardy) so we can elevate another rookie now if we want, and we get a third free rookie elevation at round 12.

With only two fit rucks, Gillies our only reserve back and not doing a heap, if we only had one slot we probably couldn't have used it this early in case a tall gets injured and we have to bring Walker up, but this way they can have a bob each way-reward Stringer for his good form now, but we still have the ability to put Walker up straight away if we need to.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Well I expect him to be named in the 25 tonight then, no point elevating him unless he's likely to play (because it costs us money).

I'm surprised by Stringer TBH, not because his form isn't good, he's been really good at vfl level, definite ball winner, bull of a tackler for a little bloke and our midfield does need bolstering, disposal still needs a bit of work but it's improving all the time.

Like jester I am surprised he's ahead of Hogan, who's form has been reasonable, and Schroder who's really been banging the door down. Scott also mentioned Cowan in his presser yesterday as the next newbie likely to come in albeit he's injured at the moment, so it might be a case of wanting to have a look at Stringer now before he's back, and his good form has come at the right time. As Stringer's a third year rookie he has to be elevated or delisted at the end of the year so it was always likely they were going to promote him to give him a chance to show what he can do if his form was good.

Krisholio will be very happy.

Might be coming into the team to play a specific role such as a tagger

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Might be coming into the team to play a specific role such as a tagger

Nah Poodle's got that role and doing well at it at the moment-will run with Martin or Cotchin all day you would think.

Stringer's coming in purely as a ball winner to bolster our clearances and hard ball gets, which need bolstering.

Hey, if it means Chapman's going to go play in the forward line I'm all for it.

Definitely worth it, and if they were going to have a look at him, now is the right time, before Varcoe et al are back.

All the best to Stringer.

 

[you pick one]

Nah Poodle's got that role and doing well at it at the moment-will run with Martin or Cotchin all day you would think.

Stringer's coming in purely as a ball winner to bolster our clearances and hard ball gets, which need bolstering.

Hey, if it means Chapman's going to go play in the forward line I'm all for it.

Definitely worth it, and if they were going to have a look at him, now is the right time, before Varcoe et al are back.

All the best to Stringer.

Not so sure I'd be so over joyed,with our backline depleted if they run off Chappy in our forward line and get the quick break it will be easy picking for their forwards.
He's a yard and a half to slow IMO for that position now.
Don't know much about Stringer but I tend to agree with Jesters comments and also wish him well.


Just out of interest.

Jesse Stringer Mid-Med 41 3 Apr, 1991 21 y 16 d 182 cm 80 kg SA Port Adelaide Magpie.

Compaired to the Cats web site 182 cm 73 kgs.

Seems it's beyond the Club to do the update.

 

[rocker_oz33]

If stringer get in the main team all the best to him.Go stringer bell

 

[thejester]

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I hope Stringer is able to turn our elastic product into an inelastic one

 

[krisholio14]

Stoked for Stringer but a little surprised at the same time - he's been playing well but hard to see him making a significant difference at senior level, certainly no more so than Schroder and Hogan.

Why be surprised? He'll play 100 games plus for us

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Why be surprised? He'll play 100 games plus for us

I was waiting for you to come in, I knew you'd be stoked for Stringer!

Don't worry, I'll be saying the same thing about Walker by the end of the year

 

[swish05]

PO,

With Walker, Stringer, Bathie & Burbury all looking as though they could make an impact at senior level in the future how do u see the list management working at the end of the season? I think all 4 of those guys are into their second year on the rookie list (Stringer might be 3rd) would we have to elevate them onto the senior list at the end of the season. If thats the case with a "super draft" coming up, a possible F&S in Bourke and not many obvious players to be delisted some crucial decisions will have to be made.

 

[sarah.13]

PO,

With Walker, Stringer, Bathie & Burbury all looking as though they could make an impact at senior level in the future how do u see the list management working at the end of the season? I think all 4 of those guys are into their second year on the rookie list (Stringer might be 3rd) would we have to elevate them onto the senior list at the end of the season. If thats the case with a "super draft" coming up, a possible F&S in Bourke and not many obvious players to be delisted some crucial decisions will have to be made.

Totally agree and believe this is why our proirity pick was not activated.
We have 4 likely upgrades who have shown the talent and have been in OUR system for 2/3 years.
The hard part will be the delistings..as i believe we will only use 2 possible 3 picks in this draft.
Byrnes, hogan and gillies in strife..and then a couple of retirements will still not be sufficient to upgrade all 4 rookies.
Good problem to have , glad it's not me!

 

[krisholio14]

I was waiting for you to come in, I knew you'd be stoked for Stringer!

Don't worry, I'll be saying the same thing about Walker by the end of the year

I've been pumping his tyres up for a long time now. I'm prepared to stick my neck out and say nobody will be questioning this decision by the end of the year.

The bottom line with Walker and Bathie is that as big blokes, they are going to take a bit longer to come on. There's no screaming hurry to get them on the list. If i'm not mistaken we can keep them as rookies for one more year after this? Either way i'm pretty certain their time to be elevated will come in due course.

 

[Vdubs]

Totally agree and believe this is why our proirity pick was not activated.
We have 4 likely upgrades who have shown the talent and have been in OUR system for 2/3 years.
The hard part will be the delistings..as i believe we will only use 2 possible 3 picks in this draft.
Byrnes, hogan and gillies in strife..and then a couple of retirements will still not be sufficient to upgrade all 4 rookies.
Good problem to have , glad it's not me!

Scarlett, Corey, Chappy, Wojo are all potential retirees, but may depend on how we finish this year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I've been pumping his tyres up for a long time now. I'm prepared to stick my neck out and say nobody will be questioning this decision by the end of the year.

The bottom line with Walker and Bathie is that as big blokes, they are going to take a bit longer to come on. There's no screaming hurry to get them on the list. If i'm not mistaken we can keep them as rookies for one more year after this? Either way i'm pretty certain their time to be elevated will come in due course.

Not sure.

Previously you could only have rookies for 2 years before you had to elevate/delist. The third year was introduced for the compromised drafts to enable clubs to not have to turn their list over as much during that period. You would assume it would now go back to 2 years but we don't know. I would guess the club either knows or is trying to find out. Guys like Walker and Bathie are showing a fair bit so no doubt if the club has to put one up at the end of the year or lose them, then they'll go up. If they can keep one or both as a rookie then they would probably do that.

I liked your boy Stringer today. Pity about the missed shots, but I loved his attack on the ball carrier, he's shown that in the vfl and again today. Would like to see him play a few more senior games.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

PO,

With Walker, Stringer, Bathie & Burbury all looking as though they could make an impact at senior level in the future how do u see the list management working at the end of the season? I think all 4 of those guys are into their second year on the rookie list (Stringer might be 3rd) would we have to elevate them onto the senior list at the end of the season. If thats the case with a "super draft" coming up, a possible F&S in Bourke and not many obvious players to be delisted some crucial decisions will have to be made.

It's still too early to know if we'll have to elevate rookies permanently, sure they are showing promise but they need to keep doing it all year. But anyway let's for arguments sake say we elevate 2 or 3 rookies at the end of the year. I'd say we take 4 picks (one of which would be Bourke if he chooses) plus the rookies means either 6 or 7 changes.

In terms of guys in danger:
Hogan-I like him, and think he has ability, but 6th year on the list. Has to be in the best 22 by finals time or he's gone.

Gillies-not currently in the best 22, hasn't played that well at vfl level. If you look at the guys in his draft year, Poodle is best 22, Motlop might have been in danger 6 months ago but is well and truly playing himself out of it now, and Brown, who I doubt would be in danger anyway because of his injuries, is playing well at vfl level. Gillies needs to at least play very good vfl footy this year as most of our other kids are doing. Otherwise, after his 4th year, if we have to make a fair few changes, he's in trouble because as mentioned the guys in his draft class are likely to be safe and the subsequent draft classes (09 10 11) will be given time.

Byrnes could be in danger if he spends most of the year in the 2s.

Other than that I can't see any other guys in danger of delisting.

So if 2 of those 3 went, then you'd need 4 or 5 retirements. Scarlett and Wojo are likely and you'd expect 1 or 2 others to join them, maybe Coreyand/or Chapman. Early days, but that's my guess of the picture.

 

[krisholio14]

Not sure.

Previously you could only have rookies for 2 years before you had to elevate/delist. The third year was introduced for the compromised drafts to enable clubs to not have to turn their list over as much during that period. You would assume it would now go back to 2 years but we don't know. I would guess the club either knows or is trying to find out. Guys like Walker and Bathie are showing a fair bit so no doubt if the club has to put one up at the end of the year or lose them, then they'll go up. If they can keep one or both as a rookie then they would probably do that.

I liked your boy Stringer today. Pity about the missed shots, but I loved his attack on the ball carrier, he's shown that in the vfl and again today. Would like to see him play a few more senior games.

He's got a bit of Maxy about him