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[Jabber]

if sharp, gilham or bain is there at the eagles pick, they will take one of the three ive been told. most likely gilham as the eagles have too many other players the same as sharp and bain. eventhough gilham isnt that tall, he can play tall allowing him to play on players who are hard to match up on. willbe a good asset to the eagles imo.

Gilham would be OK, he's the closest to being physically ready to play senior footy, and at a stretch can play as a short FB/CHB. Apparently he's loves to trash talk which is probably not a bad thing for our backline. I'd be happy with that choice over Bain.

 

[no1bankteller]

Actually in my original post I said which brings us back to the point. Adding muscle might aleviate the problem of him not being bulky enough for a KPP, but it wouldn't help him play on a wing at AFL level, which is where TP initially stated he would fit It is a known fact that adding muscle to the degree that 100m Sprinters do in fact decreases mobility rather than increasing it. So I in fact turned it back to my original point which was that by adding the bulk he would in fact lose his mobility which was the major positive TP had for taking Agostino as a rookie in the first place.

I stand corrected, I must say that I did not read your original post well enough.

Having said that the well know fact that you refer to is also wrong. Adding muscle can, but will not neceseraly, decrease mobility. Whether mobility is impacted depends on whether you do just pure weights work or if you acutally spend time doing the streching and core stability work. The reason that players like Jackovich and say Gherigh lost a great deal of their mobility is that they have not maintained appropriate balance beween strength work and flexibility work. Sprinters are the same, ie fot he nature of their sport lateral quickness is not really necessary hence they only focus on stright line work.

The best example of athletes that have added muscle and yet not lost any of their mobility would be male gymnasts. If you have a look at those blokes that they are pint size tanks and are just pure muscle and yet have unbelivable flexibility and mobility.

 

[Mead]

I stand corrected, I must say that I did not read your original post well enough.

Having said that the well know fact that you refer to is also wrong. Adding muscle can, but will not neceseraly, decrease mobility. Whether mobility is impacted depends on whether you do just pure weights work or if you acutally spend time doing the streching and core stability work. The reason that players like Jackovich and say Gherigh lost a great deal of their mobility is that they have not maintained appropriate balance beween strength work and flexibility work. Sprinters are the same, ie fot he nature of their sport lateral quickness is not really necessary hence they only focus on stright line work.

The best example of athletes that have added muscle and yet not lost any of their mobility would be male gymnasts. If you have a look at those blokes that they are pint size tanks and are just pure muscle and yet have unbelivable flexibility and mobility.

I think thats the crux of it- extra muscle can add speed, but more weight and more upper body strength by definition means less lateral agility- partly because the heavier you are the more inertia you have, and also because if you bulk up your upper body, you'll have a higher centre of gravity.

Someone like Lynch is a very good example of that. Obviously he has the middle distance running background, and I actually think he'd be one of the five quickest eagles over 20-30m, but you can't be that heavy and have as huge arms as he does without losing a lot of agility.

 

[no1bankteller]

I think thats the crux of it- extra muscle can add speed, but more weight and more upper body strength by definition means less lateral agility- partly because the heavier you are the more inertia you have, and also because if you bulk up your upper body, you'll have a higher centre of gravity.

Someone like Lynch is a very good example of that. Obviously he has the middle distance running background, and I actually think he'd be one of the five quickest eagles over 20-30m, but you can't be that heavy and have as huge arms as he does without losing a lot of agility.

Once again, Lynch is also one of those players that has added too much weight at the expense of the agility. Its all about the BALANCE. I guess a good example of players that have managed a careful balance between one and the other would be, say McIntosh before his knee injuries ie the bloke was one of ths stronger blokes at the club and still very agile. the other players I can think of is someone like Justin Leppitch from Brisbane or say even sombody like a Michael Gardiner (after all the bloke is a tank and yet he is still very agile for a ruckman).

 

[Exeter]

He plays a quarterback type role like McKenna did and to a certain extent Wirrapunda -QUOTE]

Wish I knew what that meant.

What does a quarterback do?

And why is there this developing trend in introducing annoying Americanisms such as "quarterback""and "designated kicker" that the media seem to have latched onto?

 

[Streaker]

He plays a quarterback type role like McKenna did and to a certain extent Wirrapunda -QUOTE]

Wish I knew what that meant.

What does a quarterback do?

And why is there this developing trend in introducing annoying Americanisms such as "quarterback""and "designated kicker" that the media seem to have latched onto?

"Touchdown"

 

[Jabber]

He plays a quarterback type role like McKenna did and to a certain extent Wirrapunda -QUOTE]

Wish I knew what that meant.

What does a quarterback do?

And why is there this developing trend in introducing annoying Americanisms such as "quarterback""and "designated kicker" that the media seem to have latched onto?

I think Don Scott was the originator of the Quarterback description for Bluey. Sweeper is probably a more appropriate term. Nothing wrong with borrowing another sports terminology though IMO.

 

[no1bankteller]

He plays a quarterback type role like McKenna did and to a certain extent Wirrapunda -QUOTE]

Wish I knew what that meant.

What does a quarterback do?

And why is there this developing trend in introducing annoying Americanisms such as "quarterback""and "designated kicker" that the media seem to have latched onto?

Its a term used to describe a player that sets up play on a regular basis. The term is aspecially apt when used to describe a backman (see and Aussie term) as they, like a quarterback in American Football, get to see majority of the field of play in front of them. Surely you have heard of this term before.

I also do not understand why there is a need to be precious about whether a term is an American term or an Ozzie slang. But then again I guess I have just been brought up to be more accepting.

 

[no1bankteller]

I think Don Scott was the originator of the Quarterback description for Bluey. Sweeper is probably a more appropriate term. Nothing wrong with borrowing another sports terminology though IMO.

Ohh but hang on that is a pommy slang, its used to describe a soccer player. Does this mean a Pommy term is more apporopriate then a US term. So we are now going to be trerminology racist on this board too....

 

[Exeter]

Call it a pet hate - one of my many character flaws.

Maybe we should hereafter refer to all gifted half backs who are able to rebound out of their territory and set up attacking plays with aplomb as "McKennas"

For mine, Bluey will always be the exemplar of half backs.

 

[Jabber]

Call it a pet hate - one of my many character flaws.

Maybe we should hereafter refer to all gifted half backs who are able to rebound out of their territory and set up attacking plays with aplomb as "McKennas"

For mine, Bluey will always be the exemplar of half backs.

Good idea. 'Blueys' rolls off the tongue easier than 'McKennas' though.

 

[johnnystankoski]

I agree with a few others.... This kid Agostino can play. Watched him against west perth and easily outran van berlo on a wing who is now at adelaide so pace wont be a problem. Then saw a game where he kicked goals on a half forward flank against perth, got about 25 touches and took some big marks, he's stronger than he looks. Then to top it off he played at chb for a game and easily beat his opponent while getting 20 or so touches himself. Dunno what the kid is like but surely a rookie chance.
Priddis would have to be another one only downfall is our abbundance of midfielders.
i think we need to groom a kid at chb, whether we draft a likely type or look inside our list, maybe a staker ?? what are your thoughts

 

[Streaker]

I agree with a few others.... This kid Agostino can play. Watched him against west perth and easily outran van berlo on a wing who is now at adelaide so pace wont be a problem. Then saw a game where he kicked goals on a half forward flank against perth, got about 25 touches and took some big marks, he's stronger than he looks. Then to top it off he played at chb for a game and easily beat his opponent while getting 20 or so touches himself. Dunno what the kid is like but surely a rookie chance.
Priddis would have to be another one only downfall is our abbundance of midfielders.
i think we need to groom a kid at chb, whether we draft a likely type or look inside our list, maybe a staker ?? what are your thoughts

Do you have the wrong forum?? Your Club says Dockers!

I think Jaymie Graham or Daniel McConnell could be our answers for another tall down back and as long as Glass/Lynch can stay injury free we should be able to develop them into excellent prospects. I see McConnell as being a Chad Cornes type of backman and with his endurance he will certainly create problems. I do agree however that we should still be looking at rookie listing another tall defender.

 

[johnnystankoski]

yeh graham would be the best bet i would say.
No just like both wa clubs...they made me choose though

 

[jod23]

yeh graham would be the best bet i would say.
No just like both wa clubs...they made me choose though

Well you chose the filth!

 

[johnnystankoski]

if i could change it i would....
this rookie draft is very important. Alot of good players have come from a rookie list. very important for the club to go the right way. what are your views ?

 

[zero]

yeh graham would be the best bet i would say.
No just like both wa clubs...they made me choose though

they tried to make me choose too