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Created a new topic because it relates to almost everyone and no one has made a topic about this yet.

My team ranked about 2000ish last week, 460k in the bank, have 12 keepers in my team bla bla bla. But i'm worried about certain players not playing and wheather they are really worth trading and if so for who.

Players i'm worried about are hill, raines, broughton and anthony

This is a topic that is stopping me from trading Anthony and Raines.

If I traded these players to potential cash cows what are the chances of that cash cow playing every week?

EG:

Robinson (carl) what happens when Carrazzo, Yarran ect. return?

Cheney (melb) what happens when Wheatly, Robinson, Whelan ect. return?

Hurley (ess) what happens when McVeigh, Reimers ect. reurn?

You could just about go on for ever.


So what Rookies/cashcows are the safest options to pick? Who will play enough games to increase in value in each position?

Can someone please answer and give a reason aswell?

Thanks
 

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Created a new topic because it relates to almost everyone and no one has made a topic about this yet.

My team ranked about 2000ish last week, 460k in the bank, have 12 keepers in my team bla bla bla. But i'm worried about certain players not playing and wheather they are really worth trading and if so for who.

Players i'm worried about are hill, raines, broughton and anthony

This is a topic that is stopping me from trading Anthony and Raines.

If I traded these players to potential cash cows what are the chances of that cash cow playing every week?

EG:

Robinson (carl) what happens when Carrazzo, Yarran ect. return?

Cheney (melb) what happens when Wheatly, Robinson, Whelan ect. return?

Hurley (ess) what happens when McVeigh, Reimers ect. reurn?

You could just about go on for ever.


So what Rookies/cashcows are the safest options to pick? Who will play enough games to increase in value in each position?

Can someone please answer and give a reason aswell?

Thanks

With 460K in the bank who cares, buy another premium:rolleyes:
 

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Gees how long is a piece of string.
All will be safe IF they keep scoring like they did in round 1 - BIG IF

Robinson - I would think at present is ahead of Yarren so he is no risk and what makes him safe is his position on the ground. the players you have stated are not small forwards.

Cheeny - Has lots of rookie friends at Melbourne and at presnt he has performed the best so if he can come out with another good performance this week is probably safe until round 5-6. Wonna getting injured helps + they are a lot of injured players who might need a run in the reserves before they come back

Hurley - Is a tall defender. Essendon does not have a great supply of these and he coould end up being this years N Brown although will probably score better due to the essendon game plan.

Of the three you have chosen Hurley is the safest but the other two give you the biggest upside. It's a crapshoot really and who knowswhat will happen. Round 2 should help us out for the next 2-3 weeks though so just wait and see.
 

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Created a new topic because it relates to almost everyone and no one has made a topic about this yet.
This is not a new topic, it is just an excuse for a new thread.
My team ranked about 2000ish last week, 460k in the bank, have 12 keepers in my team bla bla bla.
This is your attempt at making it sound like a new topic, but you cannot even be bothered finishing off your statement. blah blah blah...

But i'm worried about certain players not playing and wheather they are really worth trading and if so for who.
So you're looking for advice on trading? I wonder if there is a thread already for this?

Players i'm worried about are hill, raines, broughton and anthony
There are already two dedicated threads on Raines and Anthony.

This is a topic that is stopping me from trading Anthony and Raines.
What is the topic that is stopping you trading? Please explain.

If I traded these players to potential cash cows what are the chances of that cash cow playing every week?
Considering all the players you mentioned are a cash cows, you're looking to do a sideways trade?


Robinson (carl) what happens when Carrazzo, Yarran ect. return?
I think you should be more worried about players like Stevens, Grigg and Walker. Like with any rookies, if Robinson has two bad weeks in a row, he could be back in the 2's. Robinson looks like the 3/4th player in line to get dropped.


Cheney (melb) what happens when Wheatly, Robinson, Whelan ect. return?
Are those returning players playing the same role as Cheney? Cheney played a run with role and did a good job, so who knows.

Hurley (ess) what happens when McVeigh, Reimers ect. reurn?
Once again, Hurley is a KPP not a midfielder, so I don't think these returning players will change his position.

You could just about go on for ever.
Why don't you humour me and go on forever....


So what Rookies/cashcows are the safest options to pick?
Look in the rookies thread, you may get some wonderful advice in there.

Who will play enough games to increase in value in each position?
As above
So you're looking for trading advice about your team. With elements on rookies, I know you want to start a thread and you're testing the mods to see if they will delete this thread.

This is basically a case of you being egocentric and wanting advice to do with your own team, blah blah blah... :)
 

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I'll help you with the Melbourne players only.

Cheney is a very good chance to play just about every game this year. His main competition is Whelan. Whelan is developing a worrying 'old man's' habit of developing soft tissue injuries. He's currently out with a calf, as is Wheatley. Whelan has been a very good defender to the opposition smalls, but Cheney is the perfect replacement. Whelan won't be considered for the seniors for at least 5-6 weeks and even then I'm not sure he'll usurp Cheney.

Wheatley plays a different role to Cheney and Whelan. He's almost 190cms and hurts with his run off half back and wing, but he's no good on smalls.

Robertson (not Robinson) is a forward and will have no effect whether Cheney plays, or not. Cheney is in his second year, is physically strong, and only really competing with Whelan. In my opinion he's pretty much a lock for the year, which is why I named him in my starting line-up from round 1.
 

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With 460K in the bank who cares, buy another premium:rolleyes:
lol I have a tactic later this season, not to win overall but to win in my league.

The point I was trying to make is everyone is in a similar situation. How do we know who we should trade to when we don't even know how long they are going to play for?
 

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TRADING DURING THE SEASON
1) Only ever trade up to a full year premium or down to a cash cow. A premium should average 80+ / 90+ (subject to position) through the year and cash cow should be expected to make you 100K to be worth the trade.

2) All "keepers" you choose at the start of the season should be there at the end unless they have been injured / suspended and will be out for an extended period. Form / price for these players will fluctuate but trading them out is a wasted trade. This is the purpose of emergencies.

3). Don't trade in a player who you don't intend to keep all year. Only reasonable exception would be a rookie who has played less than 3 games that you are trading in as a cash cow.

4) Never trade a mid-range player for another mid-range player. This will then require another trade to upgrade to a premium. If a mid-range player has form / injury issues refer to rule 1.

5) Never trade a bench player for another bench player because they have been dropped. The only time to trade out a bench player is when their price has peaked (note – peaked doesn’t mean you have squeezed every last cent out of them, just that their price increase has started to level off. If they are only making you 5K per week, they’ve peaked).

6) Rookies are generally best traded in after 2 games and being selected in the 3rd match. This guarantees their first price rise which is generally the highest (trading them in after their first price rise has likely robbed you of a third of their total price increase over the season). This rule also extends to the price freeze that occurs prior to Round 3.

7) Understand the impact of a players break even on their price to know when to trade. Also understand what score they had 3 weeks ago (which will drop off this week) to know whether it is better to trade them in / out now or next week. Try to coincide rising/peaking rookie prices with troughs in the value of premiums.

8) Leave some trades for injuries after you have “set” your team. You can always use them for marginal upgrades in the final rounds if they are spare.

9) If you question or doubt your trade decisions, think the trade is too sideways or might be a waste of a trade, trust your gut instinct and don’t trade.

10) Never trade before teams are selected. Ever.


Note:
Keepers = Premiums = Guns
Rookie = Cash cows

Caveat – everyone, even the most experienced DT’ers, have broken one or most of these rules in the past. Often in the same season. There are exceptions to every rule, and these are no different.
 

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So you're looking for trading advice about your team. With elements on rookies, I know you want to start a thread and you're testing the mods to see if they will delete this thread.

This is basically a case of you being egocentric and wanting advice to do with your own team, blah blah blah... :)
harden the F$&k up Stefan. The point of this thread is for info. on how we know how many games rookies are likely to play. what are the chances of them being dropped. Especially with everyone in a similar situation it's definitely valid.

forget about my team, we just want info on cash cows and rookies and their chances of keeping their spot.
 

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harden the F$&k up Stefan. The point of this thread is for info. on how we know how many games rookies are likely to play. what are the chances of them being dropped. Especially with everyone in a similar situation it's definitely valid.

forget about my team, we just want info on cash cows and rookies and their chances of keeping their spot.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551857
that is what u want. but thanks for creating yet another thread.
 

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Gees how long is a piece of string.
All will be safe IF they keep scoring like they did in round 1 - BIG IF

Robinson - I would think at present is ahead of Yarren so he is no risk and what makes him safe is his position on the ground. the players you have stated are not small forwards.

Cheeny - Has lots of rookie friends at Melbourne and at presnt he has performed the best so if he can come out with another good performance this week is probably safe until round 5-6. Wonna getting injured helps + they are a lot of injured players who might need a run in the reserves before they come back

Hurley - Is a tall defender. Essendon does not have a great supply of these and he coould end up being this years N Brown although will probably score better due to the essendon game plan.

Of the three you have chosen Hurley is the safest but the other two give you the biggest upside. It's a crapshoot really and who knowswhat will happen. Round 2 should help us out for the next 2-3 weeks though so just wait and see.
thanks for the info:thumbsu:
 

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The point of this thread is for info. on how we know how many games rookies are likely to play.
The point of my post was to highlight the fact there are threads already created for these questions. There are also threads on each of the team boards specifically for DT questions as well. You will get your DT questions answered by people that actually follow the club. Try it one day, head to the Melbourne board and ask a question on Cheney, go the the Carlton board and ask about Robinson.
Maybe even use a thread on this board that has already been created about rookies.

I have also given you feedback on your questions and also posted some trading tips from the Golden Rules thread.

How about next time you attempt to start a thread you don't included useless information that you now want people forget about (your team).
 

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Mate, you just asked questions about chances of cheney/robinson holding their place basically? This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that should just go in the rookies thread. I think a thread shouldnt be made, unless you see 5+ pages of discussion being generated - we could talk about cheney, robinson, hurley for 5 pages, but that is just about rookies no? So just go to the rookies thread, where people will happily reply to your concerns, often very very very quickly too.

Cheers mate.
 

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Mate, you just asked questions about chances of cheney/robinson holding their place basically? This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that should just go in the rookies thread. I think a thread shouldnt be made, unless you see 5+ pages of discussion being generated - we could talk about cheney, robinson, hurley for 5 pages, but that is just about rookies no? So just go to the rookies thread, where people will happily reply to your concerns, often very very very quickly too.

Cheers mate.
Absolutely. Having said that there was a little good news for him

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74186/default.aspx
The coach was unequivocal when asked if Robinson had done enough to hold his spot.

"He won't be out, I'll tell you that," he said.
 
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