Rookies

[Thetrader15]

Don't mind Caleb Daniel, $285 might be a little steep. Thoughts?

 

[Jozzy]

Wouldnt be hard.

Whats be going to average? Maybe 70 with avg/poor JS

I think people are getting carried away personally with the top ups and him.

Not saying i wont be starting him but hes not a lock like some are suggesting for me right now.

May have avg 110 in VFL if it was that but M.Brown also avg 90 odd at VFL they wont be getting anywhere near that in the worst side in the comp seen for 10 years

All comes down to prices mate, Simpkin's top scoring season was in 2014 where he averaged 67.8 points (he averaged 66.5 in 2013), hardly ground breaking stuff but at 226k you've got to consider him.

As for Mitch Brown he's only 194k and I'd presume he would start Round 1. As a tall defender he's not going to score a lot but it's hard not to lock in a player under 200k who you'd presume should play every single week. Will still make decent money and offer cover from your bench.

I don't think you should have both because they're both players from the same club and I'd imagine we'll all have quite a few Essendon players already. I think they'll both average around the 60pts mark I would imagine. Brown is 32k cheaper and right now that's enough for me to take him over Simpkin. I'll re compare after the NAB Cup.

 

[Keystone agony]

All comes down to prices mate, Simpkin's top scoring season was in 2014 where he averaged 67.8 points (he averaged 66.5 in 2013), hardly ground breaking stuff but at 226k you've got to consider him.

As for Mitch Brown he's only 194k and I'd presume he would start Round 1. As a tall defender he's not going to score a lot but it's hard not to lock in a player under 200k who you'd presume should play every single week. Will still make decent money and offer cover from your bench.

I don't think you should have both because they're both players from the same club and I'd imagine we'll all have quite a few Essendon players already. I think they'll both average around the 60pts mark I would imagine. Brown is 32k cheaper and right now that's enough for me to take him over Simpkin. I'll re compare after the NAB Cup.

Absolutly considering him Tradespert but not sold or locked for me just yet. The club has some talented kids who will hopefully be at the club for the next 10-15 years theyre not going to be that far behind Simpkin whos now 28 and wont get another shot at AFL. If i was the essendon club and felt i had enough experience on the field id be picking the young guys who we look to invest 10-15 years into rather than an old bloke whos around for 1 year. Alot of the kids will be a better AFL player then Simpkin at the end of the season if given a true 15-18 game crack.

M.Browns different, hes younger, hes KPP which we just lost arguable the 2 best in the comp with Hurley and Hooker as KPD's. So he fills an urgent hole. His scoring will it be that great? im not entirely convince but he offers great safety and JS.

Cant really compare the 2. In different positions unless your looking at both as forwards i guess.

 

[Jozzy]

Absolutly considering him Tradespert but not sold or locked for me just yet. The club has some talented kids who will hopefully be at the club for the next 10-15 years theyre not going to be that far behind Simpkin whos now 28 and wont get another shot at AFL. If i was the essendon club and felt i had enough experience on the field id be picking the young guys who we look to invest 10-15 years into rather than an old bloke whos around for 1 year. Alot of the kids will be a better AFL player then Simpkin at the end of the season if given a true 15-18 game crack.

M.Browns different, hes younger, hes KPP which we just lost arguable the 2 best in the comp with Hurley and Hooker as KPD's. So he fills an urgent hole. His scoring will it be that great? im not entirely convince but he offers great safety and JS.

Cant really compare the 2. In different positions unless your looking at both as forwards i guess.

For some reason I thought Simpkin was a defender.

To you think Wosha will play the best team he's got or do you think he'll give the Essendon kids a season of development?

 

[Spider Klein]

For some reason I thought Simpkin was a defender.

To you think Wosha will play the best team he's got or do you think he'll give the Essendon kids a season of development?

You don't want to put all kids on the ground. It will be a waste like GCS and GWS in the first year.

I would think it will be a situation where he unofficially gives 4 spots to top up mature players and they all fight for those spots and the rest to younger development players. You need some bigger mature bodies out there other than Zaha and Goddard.

 

[Jozzy]

You don't want to put all kids on the ground. It will be a waste like GCS and GWS in the first year.

I would think it will be a situation where he unofficially gives 4 spots to top up mature players and they all fight for those spots and the rest to younger development players. You need some bigger mature bodies out there other than Zaha and Goddard.

Should have re worded it a bit better, didn't mean to refer to only playing kids. Was meaning to ask if Essendon fans expect the kids at Essendon to get first look over top up players.

 

[Keystone agony]

You don't want to put all kids on the ground. It will be a waste like GCS and GWS in the first year.

I would think it will be a situation where he unofficially gives 4 spots to top up mature players and they all fight for those spots and the rest to younger development players. You need some bigger mature bodies out there other than Zaha and Goddard.

Yeh its a tough one to say. I think they will rotate the squad in and out heavily thats my worry with the top ups. They arent a huge investment for the club.

Also people think Esseond dont have bodies that have played the game for ages but i can do a quick side for you generally speaking.

Brown - Mature Aged, played AFL already
Hartley - Mature aged been with Collingwood
Gleeson - Not a big body but season campaigner now been around for several years
Baguley - Mature body, vice captain
Dempsey - high 20s year old, seasoned campaigner
Gwilt - Seasoned campaigner for Stkilda and now Essendon

Leunberger - Been around for ages
Goddard - Been around for ages big body
Zacka - Been around for ages, mid 20s, fairly solid sized body having an amazing PS
Cooney - Brownloe medalist, seasoned campaigner
Z.Merrett - Been one of the better 2 year draftees, elite player going into his 3rd year, also carries a big hipped body
J.merrett - Was drafted 2-3 years before brother Zac, going into year 5 or 6 from memory

Ambrose - Big body, mid 20s now going into 3rd AFL year but is 23/24 from memory
Daniher - Played 3 years already, going into 4th yr now
Bird - Seasoned campaigner, mid to high 20's, solid body (think hes 26/27 now)
Kommer - Mid 20's will be his 4th or 5th afl season. Think he started in 2013
Mckernan - Mid to high 20s now played against Nicnat in U18's started to come on big time last year in his 1st year for Essendon, been with crows since being a junior.
Edwards - Going into year 5 or 6 been with GWS for 3-4 years before us. Had plenty of PS and played a fair few games last year and early for GWS

*Langford - Not a seasoned campaigner but solid body (1st round pick)
*Laverde - Same as Langford (1st round pick) both showed plenty in their careers so far

This is without mentioning a TOP UP We have also just drafted excellent talent due to a poor year in Francis whos played SANFL and has a ready made body, PARISH - who i believe will be given every opportunity having an excellent preseason and we have used a top 5 pick on him, i think he played a VFL game aswell? (dont hold me on that though).

This is all without including a top up. The names above will be given first priority they have 2-3 year contracts ahead of them to fulfil. The Laverde, Parish and Francis types i feel if fit will be given every opportunity over 1 hit wonder years from Stokes, Crowley, Simpkin, Kelly and co.

This likely list of players for our best 22 also suggest we have plenty of mature aged bodies and can play very talented kids instead of washed up players. However thats just my opinion.

 

[mic59]

Not much to be taken from the Sydney v Port preseason game but Callum Mills looks pretty good. At one point he had 20 possessions at 90% efficiency. With a performance like that if he doen't start round 1 it won't be very long after. Costs $227K.

 

[HTFU]

Can someone tell me who Geelong's rookie listed players are? Sorry guys, I ask the same question every year. Geelong's seems to be the only website that doesn't show who the rookies are...

 

[guero]

Can someone tell me who Geelong's rookie listed players are? Sorry guys, I ask the same question every year. Geelong's seems to be the only website that doesn't show who the rookies are...

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-geelong-cats

 

[HTFU]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-geelong-cats

Legend

 

[Jozzy]

Thoughts on Callum Mills?

At 227k he's quite an expensive rookie but has averaged a very healthy 76ppg over the three Swans NAB Challenge games and surprisingly appears close to a lock for the Swans come Round 1. One bad game at Sydney and he could be dropped quite easily I'd imagine. 227k is a lot of money for a rookie but if he can average 70 to 75 points a game he'd still be a steal at that price.

 

[doona]

Thoughts on Callum Mills?

At 227k he's quite an expensive rookie but has averaged a very healthy 76ppg over the three Swans NAB Challenge games and surprisingly appears close to a lock for the Swans come Round 1. One bad game at Sydney and he could be dropped quite easily I'd imagine. 227k is a lot of money for a rookie but if he can average 70 to 75 points a game he'd still be a steal at that price.

Should be locked in your team. Come the first position changes, he will pick up defender status.

Could easily be a D6 while fixing other areas.

 

[doona]

C. Oliver got a good score. Very good for a rookie.

 

[HammerTime55]

C. Oliver got a good score. Very good for a rookie.

I was waiting for someone to say something about Oliver.
Very handball happy and expensive for a rookie... what do you reckon his JS would be? Surely he'd need to average 65-70 to be a viable pick over a $125k?

 

[Jozzy]

Rhys Mathieson to miss the first half a dozen games. Many thanks Jeremy Cameron.

 

[skins62]

ATM I have

Def - Anthony McDonald-tip,Matt Dea, Nathan Broad, M Hartley

Mid - C Oliver, C Mills, R Davis

Ruck - Curry & Cox

Fwd - Kommer , Menadue (like the looks of McGovern if he plays)

The biggest selection dilemma is working out who will play.

 

[Jozzy]

I've currently got:

Defense -
Ryan Harwood, Michael Hartley, Tom Ruggles & Nathan Broad.

Midfield -
Clayton Oliver, Callum Mills, Ryan Davis & Connor Menadue

Rucks -
Mason Cox & Daniel Currie

Forwards -
Mitch Brown, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Peter Wright & Nick Kommer

Notes:
-Tossing up between Eric Mackenzie and Ryan Harwood right now but Harwood has the potential to score more I feel. However he does have a lower job security and not as safe of a bet.
-Concerned Ruggles and Cowan could miss Round 1.
-Normally I don't like touching rookies over 200k and now I've got two of them sitting on the field but genuinely feel both are quite safe bets. I know you've got to fork out that little bit more but they should still make just as much money as any other rookie but should outscore almost any other rookie, they've got a good job security and are ready to go. I think both should score equal or better to Darcy Parish and will cost less. There seems quite a lack of basement priced midfield rookies this season.
-Not sure of how I can work around it but three out of my four forward rookies are from Essendon which really isn't ideal.

 

[LoBu]

Marcus Adams seems to have done enough to get in the doggies team and seems a likely sort for a little extra cash

 

[Jozzy]

Marcus Adams seems to have done enough to get in the doggies team and seems a likely sort for a little extra cash

Thanks for the info mate. As a taller defender you do have to be concerned on his scoring ability though, at least with Hartley, M. Brown and Mackenzie their job security seems far more secured.

 

[VSTone]

i think a key is to have a preference of which rookies you prefer when the teams drop.
or more importantly who are you going to sacrifice when your structure doesn't gel with round 1 selections...

 

[LoBu]

i think a key is to have a preference of which rookies you prefer when the teams drop.
or more importantly who are you going to sacrifice when your structure doesn't gel with round 1 selections...

And try to stay away from those extended benches for Round 1 selection of rookies (eg Geelong Hawks Monday game)!

 

[VSTone]

And try to stay away from those extended benches for Round 1 selection of rookies (eg Geelong Hawks Monday game)!

indeed or have a damn solid backup plan....(Dan Howe is my head scratcher in that regard)

 

[Jozzy]

Marcus Adams seems to have done enough to get in the doggies team and seems a likely sort for a little extra cash

Happens every year, finally settle with your squad and then BAM, last minute curve ball. Nothing's ever as easy as straight swap either.

 

[mic59]

Last minute tip for anyone looking to get in a rookie and/or get some money for an upgrade. Port Adelaide have made a last minute change and Dougal Howard($125K) is in the 22.