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Not bad, that's made my morning ... thanks
Gosh, was it that toxic?I think it was related to the fact Scott was a stubborn bastard that didn't want any of the older (and influential) heads butting in where he felt they didn't belong.
I'm not disagreeing with you. My belief is that money spent on the facilities there by the club should be on the training/gym equipment, moveable furnishings, IT equipment etc. In other words the assets, which if the unthinkable were to occur and the club was forced to relocate in Melbourne or interstate, that the club can take with them. But I stand resolved that the club should not spend a brass razoo of it's limited funds on a building complex that it leases.I don’t agree with much of this Roogal and usually appreciate your posting.
as a regular to the club for training, pre-season and VFL matches the venue is more than an office block - it’s a series of football activity open to all to enjoy and interact with players snd staff alike. Families go on the ground at breaks to listen to coaches talk to players snd people sitting around having picnics on the grass snd bluestone walls.
The facility itself is open to the community to use , including the ground which is fully accessible when not being used by the club. The basketball court , gym, pool etc.
As for the club spending club money on the venue - of course they should!! That’s their business. The club has a very long term arrangement with the Council and should 100% be investing in as well as working with Government to develop the ground/ budiness / Club etc. That’s their job.
A kids basketball game ... geez that'd be worth driving 120 kays for. But seeing how you bastards want to deprive me a licenced cafe, player gallery and fanzone then I guess that I'll have to content myself with watching migrants learning English and a kids basketball game. I'll put it out there, you sure know how show a gal a good time.Have you been to Arden Street recently? Say, anytime in the last ten years? Now the lockdown is over, I imagine the English language classes for the newly arrived in the Flemington housing estate will get underway again. There'll probably be a kids basketball game to catch as well. Enjoy
I can't believe I'm reading someone who would want to move us back to portables.I'm not disagreeing with you. My belief is that money spent on the facilities there by the club should be on the training/gym equipment, moveable furnishings, IT equipment etc. In other words the assets, which if the unthinkable were to occur and the club was forced to relocate in Melbourne or interstate, that the club can take with them. But I stand resolved that the club should not spend a brass razoo of it's limited funds on a building complex that it leases.
I'm not disagreeing with you. My belief is that money spent on the facilities there by the club should be on the training/gym equipment, moveable furnishings, IT equipment etc. In other words the assets, which if the unthinkable were to occur and the club was forced to relocate in Melbourne or interstate, that the club can take with them. But I stand resolved that the club should not spend a brass razoo of it's limited funds on a building complex that it leases.
I can't believe I'm reading someone who would want to move us back to portables.
I’ve spent a fair bit of time with groups training on the oval at Arden St in the past 18 months. Big treat for me but for most people it’s just a very nice oval.I'm inclined to agree with you. Arden Street HQ these days is effectively an office block with 3 sets of changerooms and a gym next to an oval which I would bet that nobody in the community of North Melbourne is actually permitted to use, which makes a mockery of the whole "developing for community use" pitch that is often used as the prime argument to secure government funding. Of course ATM clubs hae discovered a new cash cow ... "AFLW". AFL clubs only have to put "women's changerooms" in a grant submission and that's a guaranteed $10 mil in the bank. They've all done it, not just North Melbourne. Yes much these dayis being driven by the new culture of wokeism (with Dan Andrews leading the charge on that front), but I don't think it's as detrimental to the club perhaps as you have suggested.
While we can't do anything about who governs the City of Melbourne at Council level, who governs Melbourne in pragmatic terms is of no interest to me and that is the decision of the residents and ratepayers of Melbourne to make. But we come back to our original point that the club as a private business enterprise should not be spending one cent of it's money, and it was wrong of the club to appeal to its members back in 2018 to donate some $2.5 million towards bricks and mortar for a Melbourne City Council property asset. One asks, isn't the Melbourne City Council already the richest in terms of its income, assets and cash reserves in Victoria?
I'm inclined to agree with you. Arden Street HQ these days is effectively an office block with 3 sets of changerooms and a gym next to an oval which I would bet that nobody in the community of North Melbourne is actually permitted to use, which makes a mockery of the whole "developing for community use" pitch that is often used as the prime argument to secure government funding. Of course ATM clubs hae discovered a new cash cow ... "AFLW". AFL clubs only have to put "women's changerooms" in a grant submission and that's a guaranteed $10 mil in the bank. They've all done it, not just North Melbourne. Yes much these dayis being driven by the new culture of wokeism (with Dan Andrews leading the charge on that front), but I don't think it's as detrimental to the club perhaps as you have suggested.
While we can't do anything about who governs the City of Melbourne at Council level, who governs Melbourne in pragmatic terms is of no interest to me and that is the decision of the residents and ratepayers of Melbourne to make. But we come back to our original point that the club as a private business enterprise should not be spending one cent of it's money, and it was wrong of the club to appeal to its members back in 2018 to donate some $2.5 million towards bricks and mortar for a Melbourne City Council property asset. One asks, isn't the Melbourne City Council already the richest in terms of its income, assets and cash reserves in Victoria?
I can't believe I'm reading someone who would want to move us back to portables.
Don't you misquote me! The current Arden Street venue was entirely funded in its first stage back in 2012 by the GOVERNMENT as it should all be as it sits on Crown Land.I can't believe I'm reading someone who would want to move us back to portables.
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Oh how good would it be to have a grand stand and even a club or bar built adjacent to the ground fashioned to look like an old gasometer. Perhaps it could even be called the 'Gasometer' ... I'm being whimsical.Like old times, agree to disagree before we further derail the thread.
So back on the topic of a grandstand, or something similar. Looking at the precinct map, I’m not sure we can put up anything meaningful to generate sizeable crowds.
Yea, as others had stated earlier, the problem is with a bar or food vendors, they need consistent business or foot traffic throughout the year. Unless we have temporary vendors or something like that.Oh how good would it be to have a grand stand and even a club or bar built adjacent to the ground fashioned to look like an old gasometer. Perhaps it could even be called the 'Gasometer' ... I'm being whimsical.
No I'm not saying build it now, but how good would it be once the area develops. Newer residents can then embrace a connection to the old.Yea, as others had stated earlier, the problem is with a bar or food vendors, they need consistent business or foot traffic throughout the year. Unless we have temporary vendors or something like that.
The world is changing and people think the club won't have to change with it. For good or bad everything changes. Woke Capitalism is real and the NMFC engages with it. I'm not a fan but then again I'm not a fan of mineral extraction. I do realise however that without it I wouldn't be living a pampered first world life and so I wouldn't have it any other way.
Ignoring the financial opportunity that community outreach and supporting social causes offer would be like letting the chance to invest in oil drilling in 1900 go past. Ultimately whether you like it or not the market dictates the flow of history. I'd rather the club float on than try to moor itself and be torn apart by the raging current. Just as I would rather live in a three bedroom house and drive a car than live under a piece of sheet iron and walk 12km a day to get water.
The world is changing and people think the club won't have to change with it. For good or bad everything changes. Woke Capitalism is real and the NMFC engages with it. I'm not a fan but then again I'm not a fan of mineral extraction. I do realise however that without it I wouldn't be living a pampered first world life and so I wouldn't have it any other way.
Ignoring the financial opportunity that community outreach and supporting social causes offer would be like letting the chance to invest in oil drilling in 1900 go past. Ultimately whether you like it or not the market dictates the flow of history. I'd rather the club float on than try to moor itself and be torn apart by the raging current. Just as I would rather live in a three bedroom house and drive a car than live under a piece of sheet iron and walk 12km a day to get water.
True words. It's called pragmatism.The world is changing and people think the club won't have to change with it. For good or bad everything changes. Woke Capitalism is real and the NMFC engages with it. I'm not a fan but then again I'm not a fan of mineral extraction. I do realise however that without it I wouldn't be living a pampered first world life and so I wouldn't have it any other way.
Ignoring the financial opportunity that community outreach and supporting social causes offer would be like letting the chance to invest in oil drilling in 1900 go past. Ultimately whether you like it or not the market dictates the flow of history. I'd rather the club float on than try to moor itself and be torn apart by the raging current. Just as I would rather live in a three bedroom house and drive a car than live under a piece of sheet iron and walk 12km a day to get water.
Apparently we're getting a new mural and enough meeting rooms and multi-media suites to allow the coach to deliver half-time briefings to the players individually via Zoom.So how's our plans for Arden St going?