Roos to start tin rattle

[gocatsgo]

Well it had to happen at some stage didn't it.

I know that the majority of people here couldn't give a fat rats toos bag about the Kangaroos but they are still are a Victorian based club who we should look after aren't they?

You've got to give them some credit though, they are one team who has tried everything but the tin rattle to raise money and find new supporters, it just appears that no-body gives a damn about them. Why is this so?

Does anyone else get the feeling that the AFL wanted them out ASAP? Remember the scuttled Fitzroy merger.

If they rattle a tin in my face at any stage during the year, I'll give them some cash, like I did for Footscray, Fitzroy, Richmond, Fitroy, StKilda, Fitzroy and Geelong. (I'm sure I donated more than once to Fitzroy)

Let's hope they survive in some form.

PS: that's about as nice as I'll be all year, sorry.

 

[Pessimistic]

GocatsGo

Why no money for Hawthorn ? We had a 'tin rattle' too - It's nothing to be ashamed of. There'll be afew more before we get rid of the current AFL administration

 

[gocatsgo]

Sorry Pess, didn't realise that Hawthorn Tin Rattled - Was it during the merger period with Melbourne?

Can't remember giving to the Hawks - what was the name of the campaign?

 

[BUBBALOUIS]

Originally posted by gocatsgo:
Sorry Pess, didn't realise that Hawthorn Tin Rattled - Was it during the merger period with Melbourne?

Can't remember giving to the Hawks - what was the name of the campaign?

GCG It was called PAY THE PRICE, referring to an Alan Jeans adress before the 1989 Grand Final, it was just after the merger debacle and raised @ 1 million from memeory. Cheers

 

[Pessimistic]

I think the tin rattle ws targeted at supporters - and donations of $100 or more were to be returned if the merger went ahead - hence a lot put in more than $100. I think I went $250 myself but with two young children now I would have to think a lot harder.

The paper said that the Kangas are trying to avoid a 'tin rattle' as it is demeaning - What nonsense.

But her's another thing. If the Roos went to sydney (hypothetically) and were still in trouble, and the AFL didn't support them - the 'tin rattle' option would be not available. Another argument for staying in melbourne.

 

[Malibu]

Gocatsgo,

Your post gives me faith in opposition supporters.

At least you can look at the big picture, there would be a lot of other non roos supporters that would like to see us fold.

I'll shout you a beer down a Shell Stadium when we play you!

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If you see me getting high,
Knock me down,
I'm not bigger than Life

R.H.C.P.

 

[Mudholian]

Yea good on em for signing up 24,000 or something last year considering most of the shinboners have passed on god rest em. I think they have no future in Melbourne and a 25% chance of reinventing themselves in another city so it's crunch time. As long as they don't dress up in Port colours at Footy Park they might escape with a couple of bob.
Mud

 

[dees01]

What have you got to say now Kym?

 

[Rooboy 96]

Sadly for every Gocatsgo there is a Dee1...

 

[Jethro Q Walrustitty]

Sadlier, for every Shinboners there's a dozen Rootard 96s.

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

Good luck Roos

Those that have in the past experienced the pain, worry and stress of thinking perhaps their club is finished will all be on your side.

My advice: Do everything in your own power to see the club through. Then, even if the unthinkable happens, you can at least say to yourself that you did everything you could.

You'll get my support and my money.

From a footy fan with first hand experience of what you're going through.

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He's blonde, he's quick
He's got a massive ... err ... kick
Danny Chook! Danny Chook!

 

[sandie]

If they are rattling a tin at Subi tonight, I will contribute for sure.
Cheers

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Frodo does not exist outside of Tolkien's imagination

 

[GoEagles]

I knew you'd come to support the eagles tonight Sandie

 

[sandie]

Support the weagles, I don't think so.
Go Roos.

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Frodo does not exist outside of Tolkien's imagination

 

[Darky]

PHUCKING HANG ON A SEC EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This tin rattle is actually a corporate tin rattle, where the club is asking 100 corporates and celebrities (who the club believes can afford it) for contributions of $8500, in return for a continuing association with the club and with a view to a possible future board or business involvement. This is not a door knock or Save our Skins type thing with volunteer fans shaking tins at grounds. Could people please read the article in the paper/on the website before becoming experts!!!!

What is encouraging also is that we have more signed-up members at this time of year than last year, even despite last year's earlier start to the season. Judging by the responses to a thread on the Kangaroos board, most of the respondents here will be either maintaining or upgrading their membership categories. We are almost unanimously confident of a top 4 and perhaps Grand Final appearance, which I think gives an indication of our members in general. With this confidence I believe many members will upgrade to special memberships (Legends, Pagans Patrons, etc). It is now important for those who have not yet paid their renewals or new memberships to get their arses into gear and sign up and hand over their dough.

 

[THE ICON]

DARKY

ARE MEMBERS ASSURED THEY WILL SEE ANY GAMES!!!

THE ICON

 

[Darky]

Buy a particular membership and you receive entry into the corresponding number of games. Seems a pretty simple concept, Icon, doesn't it? Are you insinuating otherwise?

[This message has been edited by Darky (edited 16 February 2001).]

 

[GoEagles]

Lucky the Kanga's weren't tin rattling outside Subiaco Oval last year, otherwise they would of had to compete against Swan Distric's rattlers. I hope they get a few bucks tonight.

I've got a work-do on tonight in Northbridge so I'll end up missing the game tonight - looks like I'll be going to the Collingwood game next week.

 

[Shinboners]

Thanks to everyone on here who has said that they'll help my beloved North Melbourne Football Club if and when we get to the stage of tin rattling. At the moment, I'm feeling quite shocked. As much as I try and tell myself that it's only a football club, that it's not a matter of life and death, and that if North disappeared tomorrow, I'd still wake up and the sun would still shine, my family and friends would still be there, and I'd be able to console myself in books and music, the fact still remains, without North Melbourne, there would be this great gaping hole in my life. For over 20 years I've been following the Shinboners. Twenty years of highs and lows, from seeing duds to out and out champions, heartbreaking 1 point losses to belting the opposition...there was even a ten year wait between wins over Hawthorn.....and of course, there's the ultimate, seeing my club win a premiership.....some days I still don't believe it.....I'd like to think I can follow them to my dying day.

In all the time I've spent watching the footy, and here at bigfooty, it's just a microcosm of what happens on the outer, and all the time of having a go at other sides and defending my own, there is only one constant between all fans. And that is we love our club as much as you love your club. I can quite happily handle people having a go at North for having no fans or that our fans are paranoid or the abuse that Carey gets, it's all part of it. What I can't handle, or understand, is people revelling in the idea that North may disppear. Even if it is to simply have a go at a few of the North fans here, it seems to me to be taking that one step too much....almost like taunting someone over having a loved one with a terminal disease. A few people have said here that you shouldn't let words affect you, but when people use North's financial troubles to have a go at one of my fellow North fans, it stings me to the bone. It hurts and it burns.

Anyway, I'm feeling tired and emotionally drained. As far as I'm concerned, the fight for North isn't about to start....we've been fighting for survival for over ten years now....but this seems to me to be the time that will determine whether we get a say in our destiny or whether other's will decide it for us. All I ask is that if you can, help my club by sending a few dollars our way.

 

[dees01]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
Sadly for every Gocatsgo there is a Dee1...

Don't take it so hard Rooboy. I didn't say I don't want North to survive, I was simply asking what North supporters like Kym had to say after having a go at me about my team.

 

[THE ICON]

THE PROBLEM THE ROOS HAVE IS THEIR CORPORATE STRUCTURE. THEY ARE UNIQUE IN THIS REGARD.

THEIR ULTIMATE HOLDING IS A PUBLIC COMPANY CALLED THE NORTH MELBOURNE FOOTBALL COMPANY LTD.

THUS THEY COME UNDER SCRUTINY BY THE ASIC CORPORATE WATCHDOG.

THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT in THIS REGARD TO DOT COM COMPANIES TRADING ON THE STOCK EXCHANGE.

A LOT OF THESE DOT COM COMPANIES HAVE BEEN PLACED INTO LIQUIDATION AND THEIR DIRECTORS CHARGED FOR TRADING WHILE INSOLVENT.

FROM REPORTS IN THE PRESS THE NMFC LTD IS JUST ABOUT AT THIS STAGE.

UNLIKE OTHER CLUBS I DONT THINK THEY COULD AGREE TO A TIN RATTLE AS THIS WOULD BE AN ADMISSION OF INSOLVENCY.

THE APPROACH OF SELLING SHARES IS VERY FEASIBLE AND WILL SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.

I HOPE WHILE THIS IS BEING PUT IN PLACE SOME DISGRUNTLED CREDITOR DOESN~T MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE FEDERAL COURT TO WIND UP THE COMPANY!

THE ROOS ARE A GREAT TEAM I HOPE ALL WILL WORK OUT FOR THEM!!!


THE ICON

 

[Roylion]

To a certain extent the current media coverage of the Kangaroo 'crisis' is overblown. While I agree a $1.1 million loss is not good it's not that particular outcome alone that will spell the end of the North Melbourne Kangaroos. The fact remains that from 1994-1999, North more often than not made sometimes sizeable profits, part of which obviously was on the back of good years on the field. The Age Report as recently as 23rd July 2000 also seemed to suggest that the club finances were in reasonable shape, compared with some others, such as St Kilda and Western Bulldogs. Other clubs, such as Geelong have been in deeper debt and pulled through thanks mainly to their supporters. If North can weather this storm (and I would be pretty confident they can..more confident that I was with Fitzroy anyway) and survive another ten years or so with reasonable success, then the fruits of their success in the nineties will bloom, as the kids they attracted in the nineties become adults who join as full paying members.

I'd also like to know exactly what North's debt is before writing them off. Is it the millions, or does North have a sizeable bank account and assets that the reported loss will be absorbed into? The Herald-Sun despite trumpeting about a 'Kangaroo Crisis', didn't seem to offer any overall estimate of how much the overall Kangaroo debt actually was.

I guess the bottom line is the supporters. If you want your club to survive, join up as a member now and do it every year. Despite all the complaints about how the AFL did Fitzroy in (some of which were justified in my view), two BIG factors that accelerated the end of Fitzroy and weren't to do with the AFL were:
1) that many, many Fitzroy supporters were not members. There seems to be some dispute (again on who you talk to) about just how many Fitzroy members there were in 1996, (ranging from about 3,700 to 8,200), but whatever the figure it was just too low to maintain a cash-flow and make a profit....and
2) Fitzroy fans did not attend Fitzroy games, thereby contributing to a poor gate return for the club . For example I was at the Western oval on the day Lockett kicked 16 against Fitzroy in front of a paltry 6,000-7,000 crowd. For an AFL match! Again the poor gate receipts, that would have resulted from this match and other similarly attended matches made it very difficult for Fitzroy to maintain a steady cash-flow and caused the club to spiral further into debt, as the costs of running a club in the AFL increased.

The large crowd at Fitzroy's last match in Melbourne against Richmond, of who about 25,000-26,000 were supporting Fitzroy really brought home to me just how many Fitzroy fans went missing in the years when we really needed them

So...if you want your club to survive in the long term buy a membership and if you can't do that...go to as many games as you possibly can to maximise your club's gate receipts.
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Lastly if the worse ever comes to the worse , relocate...don't merge. At least by relocating you don't have to compromise as much of your original identity....and you are able to continue the club's history and traditions, instead of beginning anew as the Brisbane Lions had to do.

I still see a couple of other clubs looking at merger or full re-location out of Melbourne before North does. However another million dollar loss next year by North may change that opinion.

 

[Mobbs]

I wish North Melbourne all the best in whatever fund-raising campaigns they instigate. If approached, I'd see what I could donate.

I can't be bothered to read it all and see if they're in trouble or not. If they are, then no matter how much I hated North Melbourne when the Roys were amongst their opponents, I will barrack for their survival.

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Hallowed be thy Roy

 

[Duuuuuh]

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Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
Sadly for every Gocatsgo there is a Dee1...

What!! not funny when somebody abuses your team ROOTARD? Now that is the funniest coming from you the King of the Kangawhingers. I hope North stay BUT definately to help you funny boy. Stick to whinging about Essendon and stalking Easty.

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

Look i tell u now if any club (especially Melbourne based) starts a tin rattle fine have your laughs and little jokes but christ whether it be the hated Pies or the everyone loves Essendon just give them something because when it comes down to it every single club makes up the game we love so much today and trust me if one goes u will be crying for it back later like with Fitzroy!

sPiDeR eVeRiTt and RiCkY oLaReNsHaW
~kewlest players round!!!