Cardio Carl
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It is an opinion, the guy as captain is unable to influence or win a game when it count so lets see what we may get for him. He misses goals that would make him and the team very sound. Clown2
Rumour Ross Lyon offered 5 year deal by Melbourne
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It is an opinion, the guy as captain is unable to influence or win a game when it count so lets see what we may get for him. He misses goals that would make him and the team very sound. Clown2
Miss our last two finals series did you? 09 QF, 09 PF, 10 QF, 10 PF
Cardio Carl
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all loses to me freak!. People like you around the club that accept that those positions as fantastic are the reasons why we do not succeed. You obviously like coming 2nd or 3rd.
So you expect him to carry us on his back every single game?
Cardio Carl
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not anymore. Never done it so not sure how he will in the future with an ageing body and poor goal kicking skills.
Oh, but he will still commands the biggest $$$ and our captaincy.
We need a great ROI, as it is very low at the moment.
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Id give finishing 2nd or 3rd every single year over getting smashed by 70+ points week in week out like the club used to.
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Amazing how it only takes one person to make a perfectly good threat go to s**t.
Cardio Carl
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not sure of your point, both scenarios smell of loser mentality.
why can't we finish 1st or are you too precious?.
We will never finish 1st with Roo and others, so time to move on.
How will trading for draft picks create instant success? Bottoming out = losing.
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More than entitled to your opinion. Just find it interesting that it takes a major announcement regarding the Saints for you to post here. You're a hard man to please.
Cardio Carl
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oh boy, I think I'm wasting my time but here goes.
The current group have not been able to reach the ultimate goal in their window of opportunity, lets look at alternatives which may include releasing some of our highly paid $$$ players to free up and get new talent through the place which is obviously a rebuild. If you have any idea of rebuild it will incur losses as you will be introducing low game players into you squad just like WC, Hawthorn did a few years back .
If you think you can just pick up draft picks and remain in top 4 and beyond straight away you are kidding yourself.
Sydney haven't bottomed out but they rebuild whilst staying a finals contender. Don't see them trading Goodes do you?
Cardio Carl
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wow, must have missed those 2 brownlow's (maybe 3 end of this year) and premierships Roo have won.
They did trade their best forward though.
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They traded hall only after he was sacked for smashing Ben rutten. They didn't trade him for rebuild purposes. They traded him because he became a loose cannon and a liability to the swans.
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Wow slash and burn.Sack everyone?
This years draft is going to be one of the leanest in many years, and GWS have most of the top picks. Added to that clubs like Geelong (who rorted the father son rule) and are again being rewarded and will receive 2 first round draft picks as will Melbourne and Footscray will receive one which they will hang onto until GWS has finished their priority selections. That is going to seriously limit the number of available top draft selections over the next few years. So how do you propose to bring in all of these players that you are talking about? You could trade Roo to GWS and receive what in return? Apart from ripping out the heart from the club, the members would leave in droves.For the first time in 3 years St.Kilda will have a decent break to recover instead of giiving other clubs a 5 weeks head start.
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Damian Barrett is reporting this as a key factor on TFS. Not sure what that's worth (given who is saying it), but I guess the Pelchen appointment did put a hold on the discussions which had occurred up until that point. A shame the club couldn't do the deal and then get Lyon's agreement that a senior list manager was a good thing.
Well, after being shafted ourselves earlier this week, feel for you guys.
Re the Lyon/Melbourne scenario, while everyone assumes it to be the case, there doesn't seem to have been an offer put to Lyon from Melbourne.
Guess all will come out in the wash in the coming weeks. FWIW, rumblings around the place re Melbourne are for a Burns/Craig combo ... or MM.
Re the Lyon/Melbourne scenario, while everyone assumes it to be the case, there doesn't seem to have been an offer put to Lyon from Melbourne.
Guess all will come out in the wash in the coming weeks. FWIW, rumblings around the place re Melbourne are for a Burns/Craig combo ... or MM.
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Originally Posted by Cardio Carl
Ross, please go now.
Game plan is boring, players are over you so best to move on and be well recognised for you great work.
Hope he goes to Melbourne as it would be a win/win for both clubs.
We need to bring back the fine selection committee that discovered Ross and get them back to work to unearth the next best thing coming through. They identified Lyon when many had no idea.
Move on everyone.
yeah talk about being Mr Negative, Dont-Look-2-Me-4-Guidance, love to know what your thinking now, I bet it ain't positive. again just shows that you need to stop putting posters down that have a different opinion to yours, as invariably they are correct.
Ross, please go now.
Game plan is boring, players are over you so best to move on and be well recognised for you great work.
Hope he goes to Melbourne as it would be a win/win for both clubs.
We need to bring back the fine selection committee that discovered Ross and get them back to work to unearth the next best thing coming through. They identified Lyon when many had no idea.
Move on everyone.
yeah talk about being Mr Negative, Dont-Look-2-Me-4-Guidance, love to know what your thinking now, I bet it ain't positive. again just shows that you need to stop putting posters down that have a different opinion to yours, as invariably they are correct.
Look2Me4Guidance
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If you'd bother to read the thread I had debated your posts with reasonable thoughts, etc. I didn't need any further petty name calling either.
Interesting article, and if you read Lyon's "assurances", he was gone back then, if not earlier. He obviously has some charisma and influence with his team. He most definitely fooled the senior group, yet they are quicker to criticize the club than Lyon.
The way Lyon went from player to player after he quit (even Reiwolt in hospital) sounds like he was keen to get people on side and hear his version first.
Grant Thomas had obviously heard something back then, and it sounded like he was being fed by Lyon. He was taking Lyon's side.
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whilst i appreciate the sentiment, you guys got fantastic compensation.. we got a whole world of headaches.
i dont think the two scenarios are in the same stratosphere.
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