Hardwick and Simpson certainly were not considered to be surrounded by great football management teams and assistants until "after" they won a flag, it's called outcome bias. The truth is we won't know if Lyon can rebuild a side to win a premiership until he has actually been given a chance to see out a rebuild. Making a deterministic argument based on an obscure stat is beyond unreasonable.The difference is Hardwick and Simpson and Scott for that matter were willing to change, to listen to others and not be Martyrs. They surrounded themselves with capable assistants and great football management teams. Ross hasn’t yet done these things and we don’t have those great teams yet. I am not sure whether he would be willing to change at this late stage.