List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

Is Ross still the man for the job?


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FreoMonocle

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Gee there's a lot of folk in denial here. Maybe it's just part of the grieving process...
We haven't got any appointments yet, so I am not taking it on good faith that we are going to get a better Coach and CEO and be gooder "just because". We're making our way through a rebuild and we might be going down a snake instead of up a ladder.
 

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Duffield is big on the issue of our foot skills being so poor, but as he also pointed out today in his bi-weekly podcast, if we could have improved our foot skills enough to be a one goal a game better team - we'd currently be in the Top 8.
e.g. Have your 3 main KPF's in the team instead of out injured?
 

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I think our foot skills can be partly attributed to the fact that our best 22 has 9 players picked after #50.
Switta, Walters (the rare exception), Langdon (if he could kick he would be a top ten pick), Hughes, Duman, Crowden, Nyhuis, Banfield and Jones
Only 2 of those players are in our best 22. And our foot skills were just as bad when none of those 7 were playing which has been the case in most games over the last 4 years.

It's our game plan that leads to poor foot skills. Specifically, it's the part of our game plan that sees us crowding the contest rather than spreading, which leads to a chain of 1m handballs when we gain possession, and all our kicks being under more pressure than other teams. It's why previously elite kicks like Brad Hill and Nathan Wilson kick like amateur ressies players when playing for Fremantle.
 

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Only 2 of those players are in our best 22. And our foot skills were just as bad when none of those 7 were playing which has been the case in most games over the last 4 years.

It's our game plan that leads to poor foot skills. Specifically, it's the part of our game plan that sees us crowding the contest rather than spreading, which leads to a chain of 1m handballs when we gain possession, and all our kicks being under more pressure than other teams. It's why previously elite kicks like Brad Hill and Nathan Wilson kick like amateur ressies players when playing for Fremantle.
I agree with you. I think we can rely on less players at the contest with more elite talent in the side winning it
 

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100%.

Reading between the lines it was pretty easy to see Fyfe is unhappy at what happened.

I'm not sure why he wasn't consulted. They consulted Pavlich before they sacked Harvey.
No they didn’t.

He was having lunch with Michael Thompson and received a phone call telling him to get to the club immediately.

That is from his book.

He was informed of what was to be announced at the press conference.

Being advised of what is about to be announced is not being consulted on the decision.
 
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The only players that seem to be happy about Ross leaving are the slackers i.e. Kersten . The ones that give great effort are not so pleased. TBH he is more popular with the players than i was led to believe by the Hardies and Hagdorns of this world.
Talking about popular with your peers, Hardie & Crumpets are definitely not.

Interesting that they talk about popularity, some may say they have small digit syndrome.
 

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e.g. Have your 3 main KPF's in the team instead of out injured?
Incorrect. Apparently the way to improve by a goal a game is not by kicking goals, but by restricting your opponents’ ability to kick goals. Skills therefore are irrelevant.

I learned this on the Freo board of bigfooty.
 

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I think our foot skills can be partly attributed to the fact that our best 22 has 9 players picked after #50.
Nah, as you know more than anyone because you keep on telling us it's a good thing, nowadays you get drafted because you out-beep test the other bloke. Clem Smith was one of the best kicks going around and couldn't even make it at Carlton. There is a mass of talented kicks out there that don't even get invited to a combine because they don't do repeat sprints with two and a half twists fast or high enough.
 

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Nah, as you know more than anyone because you keep on telling us it's a good thing, nowadays you get drafted because you out-beep test the other bloke. Clem Smith was one of the best kicks going around and couldn't even make it at Carlton. There is a mass of talented kicks out there that don't even get invited to a combine because they don't do repeat sprints with two and a half twists fast or high enough.
Fitness is a measure of mental toughness and hard work. Nobody ever got out of bed in the morning an athlete after going to bed a couch warmer.

The fitness just isn't a negotiable for AFL and the guys who have worked hard with the talent go top ten
 

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Fitness is a measure of mental toughness and hard work. Nobody ever got out of bed in the morning an athlete after going to bed a couch warmer.

The fitness just isn't a negotiable for AFL and the guys who have worked hard with the talent go top ten
Garbage. Tom Sheridan is half the footballer Clem Smith is, we picked Tommy at pick 16 because he can athlete even though he can't football.
 

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Garbage. Tom Sheridan is half the footballer Clem Smith is, we picked Tommy at pick 16 because he can athlete even though he can't football.
Footballers are either athletic of have another job.

The shed is full of guys who could have been something if only they tried harder.

The footballer v athlete is a get out of gaol for guys who have the tools except the mental toughness to push themselves to get fit.
 

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Footballers are either athletic of have another job.

The shed is full of guys who could have been something if only they tried harder.

The footballer v athlete is a get out of gaol for guys who have the tools except the mental toughness to push themselves to get fit.
They aren't footballers though, that's the point. Not in the sense that we have always understood the term. The game is poorer for it. Langdon, Sheridan - these types should be no where near the elite competition.
 

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Agree. The game demands runners these days. So the highly skilled less athletic bloke gets overlooked for the average skilled athlete.
 

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A footballer needs to be able to kick _and_ run. Clem Smith was a flawed pro footballer because he wasn’t fit enough. And Brady Gray was a flawed pro footballer because couldn’t kick well enough.

You only have to look at Matera to see the importance of both fitness and work ethic. In 2018 he looked like a dud trade. Over the summer he worked harder than he ever had. Really improved his running capacity. And 2019 is a career best year.
 

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A footballer needs to be able to kick _and_ run. Clem Smith was a flawed pro footballer because he wasn’t fit enough. And Brady Gray was a flawed pro footballer because couldn’t kick well enough.

You only have to look at Matera to see the importance of both fitness and work ethic. In 2018 he looked like a dud trade. Over the summer he worked harder than he ever had. Really improved his running capacity. And 2019 is a career best year.
What this guy said ^^^

What seperates the good players from the average is hard work. Michael Walters couldn't get a game because he was unfit in the early days. Got a clip under the ear, went and got fit, and hey presto he's a match winner. Wouldn't be a match winner if he still being a sloth.
 

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What this guy said ^^^

What seperates the good players from the average is hard work. Michael Walters couldn't get a game because he was unfit in the early days. Got a clip under the ear, went and got fit, and hey presto he's a match winner. Wouldn't be a match winner if he still being a sloth.
100% - it's not that hard to understand.
 

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Woah!! I’ve been surfing in El Salvador and Costa Rica and I’m late to the party.

You’ve been a champ Ross and been great for our club but I guess 4 years not making the finals was the final straw.

I honestly think that he could easily have been sacked at any of these points prior.
1) After going 0-10 in 2016.
2) After the sexual harassment stuff.
3, 4, 5) After our 3rd 100 point flogging or the 4th or the 5th.

I have no problem with the decision or timing and excited a new coach gets a full preseason to work with the team.
 

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Guys and Girls please I understand how keen you all are to have an opinion on what was wrong and what is wrong with our football team .
I love the banter and all the stuff about why we are so poor in the skills department and how much the top players all loved Ross BUT the team under Ross didn't progress at the level management insisted upon 'its that plane and simple .Ross Gone
RTB had the game plan and he knew how to inspire players to play good structured football . He also was willing to move players like chess pieces during a game to get a better outcome in a game .The problem was that the players we have recruited didn't have the skill level to consistently carry it out .
The other problem Ross had was that not only was his game plan based on 22 fit and skilled players that could use those skills when they were under duress .The last piece of the puzzle that brought RTB down this season was his insistence of playing too many undersize midfielders and expecting Mundy and Fyfe to carry too big a load . Think back people to 2013 , Fyfe , Barlow ,Mundy, Crowley Steven Hill and Neale . Now there's a midfield .
Who ever the new coach is he is going to have to find a minimum 3 big bodied mids and to be honest the possible replacements are already on the team list .Luke Ryan , Ryan Nyhuis and Ethan Hughes along with the further development of Brayshaw ,North ,Banfield , Blackley and Cerra .What he will need is quality replacements for Brad Hill ,Sandi and Ballas along with recruits with serious pace and football brains . Not just Athletes please .
 

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