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Training on Wed and all other sessions I,ve seen is skill based and then running afterwards.
Where this lack of skills training is coming from is beyond me. What do some on here think, that the boys run around in circles bumping into each other.:rolleyes:
Kicking,hand balls
ground pick ups marking ,leading ,roving packs,ruck work,defensive pressure ,
all practise under the eyes of the untold coaches out there .
Cmon Salim, it can't be! Impossible! Lyon must have been interstate attending a Paul Roos hosted 'Effort, Effort, Effort' dinner..
 

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So now it's complicated instead of one-dimensional, spare me..
I'm sorry that I upset you with a quote from an ex-player under Lyon who is on good terms with him, and therefore has no reason to lie :huh: Calling a game plan complicated isn't necessarily a criticism either...
 
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Duffield is a good writer (style and ability to communicate). He is very well connected, knows whats happening and has an excellent understanding of footy politics and footy people. As an analyst of the game at a technical level he is poor, and just imagines he is otherwise because he possess those other abilities as above.
West coast are not a particularly skilled side and we are not particularly unskilled. what they are is experienced, well drilled and lucky. I would argue we have never had a more skilled list and the latest draft and trade period only reinforced that.
Being skilled and being able to express it a game is an entirely different thing. When you are under pressure because the team is inexperienced, or lacking in harmony or poorly coached (not saying any of those are definitely true for us, other than the first one), or you just lack ticker, then that pressure is going to cause skill errors. Equally, averagely skilled teams are going to seem more so when they are playing well, harmoniously and winning.
Any analysis Duffield is cooking up that breaks down into 'West Coast are coaching for skills and are skillfull and we are dong the opposite' is beyond skin deep and into idiotic territory for mine.
Duffield is by far my favourite footy journo. Enjoy his podcasts as well during the season.

I’m an objective person just like Ross who said if I’m not challenging by 2020 I’ve had enough time.

Simple:
If we win 12 games or more in 2019 he stays
If we win 11 games or less in 2019 he goes.
 

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Duffield is by far my favourite footy journo. Enjoy his podcasts as well during the season.

I’m an objective person just like Ross who said if I’m not challenging by 2020 I’ve had enough time.

Simple:
If we win 12 games or more in 2019 he stays
If we win 11 games or less in 2019 he goes.
Haha. Either way with those numbers, the same debate will keep rolling on.
 

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So youre a dik if we dont agree with your opinion. I would say thats a tad more dik worthy.;)
Duffields opinion not mine , because unlike your royal righteousness I try to avoid having strong opinions on subjects I know nothing about


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You flip flop more than Scomo
 

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True to a point, but my god they had some luck go their way that was totally our of their control. If Richmond hadn't shat the bed against Collingwood they would have smoked the eagles in the GF.
I’m sceptical of that argument.

Everyone says we were unlucky in the 2013 GF, but why weren’t we lucky in the QF? Hawkins didn’t play and his replacement was that log that got shipped up to Brisbane (Walker?)
 

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Duffields opinion not mine , because unlike your royal righteousness I try to avoid having strong opinions on subjects I know nothing about


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You flip flop more than Scomo[/QUOTE]

Don't know much about politics either so I'll leave that to the avid parliamentary broadcast watchers such as your good self

Just remember to watch both sides of the floor so you can have a considered opinion on the relative strengths and weakness's of the parties


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Last year it was 8 win and a percentage of 76 percent.

The percentage must 85+ (ideally 90+) and the wins must greater 10 or great. Ideally we have a percentage of 90 plus and 12 or more wins, and pushing for finals all year, maybe needing a win vs Port last round to make finals.
 

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If it's a political or public relations situation rather than an objective one then stringing wins out across the season will be better.

If we win the first eleven games then we will be very happy during that time, expectations will be heightened and should we go on to lose all but one of the remaining games for the year people will feel like it's a massive step backwards - even though we won nearly 50% more games.
 

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Footy would be a really easy game if the opposition let you do whatever you liked.
Yeah I still think this is one of the most under appreciated aspect on big footy/posters.(and that’s saying something).

Pretty easy to look a million bucks when playing some poorly structured teams , conversely the top teams will expose flaws in their opponents armour.

Case in point during our halcyon years(lol) we took apart pretty much every side inc some very good geelong sides... but against clarkos hawks we were made to look second rate at best.
(And still do..:'()
 

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Im backing Ross in. Our team looks good on paper. He is a good coach and even they have good and bad years.

Malthouse was hot and cold. Im confident finals are on the cards
I agree with you in general, but it is sitting 50;50 for me. That goes for finals as well as Lyon getting an extension. Where are sHill, Hogan and Bennell in regard to health and fitness? Even with increased squad depth, dreams dashed or dream fulfilled hang by those names.
 

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If Ross gets Fyfe, Hills, Mundy, Blakely, Sonny, AP, Hammer, Hogan, Lobb/Tabs, Willo, Ryan, Langdon on the field for 95% of the season I think we are right in the finals mix.
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If Harley, Cam, Matera stay fit/put in, we could do damage in finals.
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If Bewley and or Schulz (or even if Sturt can replicate Stephenson) have a significant impact, we can win the damn thing.
 

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Phwaar, there are some big bold statements in here lately.
At least wait for a few games next year, before going all in.
this is the pre-season, immediately after the draft. Hopes are naturally running high.
 

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One thing I have to say the talent under 24 is the best fremantle have ever had all at once including the 2010 era.
Hogan, A pearce, darcy, logue, cox as young key position players.
Then a young midfield of sturt, valente, brayshaw, cerra, Langdon, banfield.
Plus throw in luke ryan, McCarthy, switkowski, giro.
 

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To be fair, going from an 8 win season and the best 22 net ins and outs are OUT: Neale IN: Hogan, Lobb, Logue (injured all last season) plus another preseason into Andy, Cerra and the hopes of getting 20 games out of Fyfe, Billy, Hilly, Sandi, Tabs, Bennell (injuries from last season) things start to look up a little bit.
 

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The argument is that Freo,s training is not skill based and thats blatantly untrue. If they werent practising their games skills they would be running the boundary for 2 hours.
So Ross has changed things up, or is a case of players still needing to use their skills as they learn the game plan?

He himself stated he doesnt focus on skills. What was the "10,000 hours" line, I'm still amazed by that call!

What kind of skills training do they do?

Did they steal Lou Richards handball board and use that to practice, do they have anything like that?
 

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So Ross has changed things up, or is a case of players still needing to use their skills as they learn the game plan?

He himself stated he doesnt focus on skills. What was the "10,000 hours" line, I'm still amazed by that call!

What kind of skills training do they do?

Did they steal Lou Richards handball board and use that to practice, do they have anything like that?
They do sweet **** all skills training

I've been down there since Ross's inception and he focuses on basic training drills and match sims. He doesn't spend time developing fine motor skills. I believe that's up to the player himself.

I can't compare to other coaches such as Clarkson etc because I don't view thier training.
 
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