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I dont think comprehension is your strong point. I clearly said why bother following any team, you dont enjoy sport, you enjoy validating your opinion.

I have also clearly said several times that I'm not calling for Ross to be fired, nor do I think everything is peachy. I think we need to see more improvement by the end of the year and we have seen some improvement but not enough so far.

But its easier to just say "koolaid" and not contribute anything meaningful so you do you.
i will start enjoying my team when ross is outta there and we get a breath of fresh air around the club
 

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Worsfold is just about the worst premiership coach since 2000.

Lyon would’ve won at least two flags with the West Coast list he had. Losing to that Sydney side with a side that had Cox, Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Glass, Braun and Embley is not anything to be proud of
 

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The game plan yesterday would have worked if our forwards could have at least laid the odd tackle or two, they let it come out of their forward line over and over again with little pressure.....Matera, Cox, Hogan, Tabernar mainly work one way when our team has the ball and are pretty poor defensively.
You can't tackle people when they have a free kick, it's in the rules. And free kicks are what you get when we kick it straight to them. I don't see how you can blame forwards lack of tackling when the problem all day was the delivery into the forwards.
 

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We would have won the grand final and most likely two.
Is this really relevant though?

Surely no one on here is trying to argue who is a better coach, I think theres some nuance in what PurpleEyes was arguing in that is was more than who is the better coach.

As far as I'm concerned, Clarkson is the greatest coach of all time, regardless of the talent he had during that period. Not only is his team successful but most of his assistants go on to be successful.

Yes, we would have been more successful had we had the greatest coach of all time
 

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Have we improved though? I mean we have a fully fit young team, we acquired Hogan, Tabs is one of the best markers in the game, Fyfe and Mundy are back to their best. Let’s be honest we had a dream run, dream, dream run and blew it, Suns will finish bottom 4, should have put them to the sword, North are a basket case, Saints are a bottom 4 clubs, Eagles are poor we had them in the right place, GWS was a perfect platform to launch from, Bulldogs a bottom 6 club, Tigers had half their team out and put us to the sword, as the season unfolds more we might get a clear picture but for now our game plan is too easy to get around, our skills are a pathetic as is our forward entry, many of these guys are into their second and third seasons so really should be better, I mean they’re no Tim Kelly but cmon, it’s all skills based and I don’t see us getting better in that department
But they are better and will get better yet, they just aren't at their peak is all. Players aren't beasts of the game (let alone consistent beasts of the game) until somewhere around 22-24. They don't consistently drop off either, some like Mundy can keep on at it into their early 30s, but most start to drop off around 28-30. We have multiple players that are performing to their best right now, but underperforming because they aren't in their peak years, that's a couple of disposals and better decisions difference and cumulative with each young player - and it only takes one bad decision in a chain of possession to undo 4 or 5 other good decisions by other players. Andy for example, on a good day getting 20 disposals as a young midfielder when we would hope to get 25-30+ as a competition elite in his peak, that's giving the other teams midfield an opportunity to waltz out with the ball in hand a couple of times extra and robbing us of a few chances to control the ball and send it forward.

Also, while we have players creeping past 25 games and 50 game markers, we've put games into them early into their careers. 50 game players at 20-22 is a bit different to 50 game players at 23-25. Darcy works his arse off, but is a good example that you don't just do a few weeks of exercise and it's good enough, it takes a few years to condition the players up to the AFL peak performance.

The general point you were making is that we have talent in the team now and therefore should blow the competition out of the water. Your not allowing for the reality that it takes time to "run in" an engine and get peak performance out of a bunch of new parts. The midfield and Forward line have quite a few differences in them from last year to this year, it will take time to get synergy, to have a team instead of a bunch of players (a lot of trades into the 22, on top of young players already in the team).

The rebuild is behind us, we'll just be taking on new players as per normal now. But this is a consolidation year, "running in" the engine, the difference between teamwork and having 22 players on the field as individuals, while also putting experience and conditioning into the younger players. 3 tall forwards can see the ball coming in and go for the mark, team work is where one or two of them choose to not spoil each other and do additional things (position further forward, position ready for a spill or block for your team mate etc).
 

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You must be an absolute joy to be around - got nothing to whinge about so I'll just sit here quietly until things go bad. :rolleyes:
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You must be an absolute joy to be around - got nothing to whinge about so I'll just sit here quietly until things go bad. :rolleyes:
things are already bad lol
Is this really relevant though?

Surely no one on here is trying to argue who is a better coach, I think theres some nuance in what PurpleEyes was arguing in that is was more than who is the better coach.

As far as I'm concerned, Clarkson is the greatest coach of all time, regardless of the talent he had during that period. Not only is his team successful but most of his assistants go on to be successful.

Yes, we would have been more successful had we had the greatest coach of all time
QUESTION ....if ross lyon coached the hawks during there 3peat how many premierships do you think he would have won ..i say ZERO maybe one
 
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things are already bad lol

QUESTION ....if ross lyon coached the hawks during there 3peat how many premierships do you think he would have won ..i say ZERO maybe one
Whats even your point here? I just said Clarkson is the greatest coach of all time and significantly better the Lyon. Unfortunately, the greatest coaches of all time are hard to come across since there is only 1 of them...

He is better than Lyon, that does not make Lyon a bad coach, just not as good as the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.

Clarksons ability has no bearing on this conversation
 

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For those thinking there is some Clarkson conspiracy.

Hardwick and the tigers play more like Freo circa 2013 than any Clarkson team.

Also we had no difficulty beating GWS who are coached by ex Clarkson alumni Leon Cameron.
We beat them once in 2015 and not again till now lmao, calm down a little
 

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For those thinking there is some Clarkson conspiracy.

Hardwick and the tigers play more like Freo circa 2013 than any Clarkson team.

Also we had no difficulty beating GWS who are coached by ex Clarkson alumni Leon Cameron.
Cameron spent 2 years at Hawthorn and is still yet to be involved in an AFL premiership as a player, assistant coach or head coach. He also just got schooled by his old master on the weekend. Not a good example to use.

I don’t agree with your view on the Tigers being like us circa 2013 either. They thrive on chaos, we were drilled with structures to the enth degree.
 

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Ross loses this w/end and the pitchforks will be alight, probs like game of thrones and the dothraki.
Wins, and he's back.
Either way I think he's a dead man walking
I don't see Rosich making a decision this far out because otherwise he'd have to admit that he was wrong to give him a 5 year extension. I don't see that happening somehow.

If we lose this weekend to Essendon, we could be in some real bother.
 

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You can't tackle people when they have a free kick, it's in the rules. And free kicks are what you get when we kick it straight to them. I don't see how you can blame forwards lack of tackling when the problem all day was the delivery into the forwards.
So you totally ignore the number of times our forwards just let them waltz it out of the forward line with little to no pressure, kick in were classic where they did what they wanted largely untouched many times until they got it into their forward line
 
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