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I just might leave this here.

I noted a change in our play about three weeks ago.

Apparently I had a hidden agenda.
I agree that this plan worked well in both the North and GWS games and it should be a big part of what we do every week. Let's also pay respect to the opposition who have also done their homework and will do whatever they can to minimise our capacity to do so. This style is a change from previous years so for some guys it is still new and when it gets closed down by the opposition they revert to old and not terribly effective habits.

I am pretty sure that Ross is not going to toss aside a successful new game plan after a couple of weeks! We may have adjusted slightly on the weekend to try to make sure it wasn't a shootout (didn't work too well at start of Q1 and Q4 though) but fundamentally we got nothing from Hill and Langdon who are key link up players over the last 2 weeks and they have to work their individual way through that so the team can perform consistently.

When they go well we go well....
 

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I just might leave this here.

I noted a change in our play about three weeks ago.

Apparently I had a hidden agenda.
Lol this article. Yeah I'm sure Ross just flicked the switch to defence cause he hates goals.

Pretty weak analysis. Ironically it's teams that play defensive footy that we are struggling against. So they are not allowing Freo to play the game style that let's them score freely. Obviously that is it's own problem. But anyone who thinks Freo hasn't been attempting to score is kinda idiotic.
 

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Lol this article. Yeah I'm sure Ross just flicked the switch to defence cause he hates goals.

Pretty weak analysis. Ironically it's teams that play defensive footy that we are struggling against. So they are not allowing Freo to play the game style that let's them score freely. Obviously that is it's own problem. But anyone who thinks Freo hasn't been attempting to score is kinda idiotic.
when play extra players behind the ball it work well against us.
 
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I just might leave this here.

I noted a change in our play about three weeks ago.

Apparently I had a hidden agenda.
I notice he offers no stats to support his thesis of a distinct change in style. Which is disappointing because it would have been really interesting to see.

I think there's been a few Fox pieces on how corridor use is down this year across the competition, possibly as a result of the new rules.

But yeah pretty **** article, it would be great if those campaigners at Fox and champion data could actually give us the stats so we could see if a drastic change has been made.

I mean the Adelaide game they played perfectly to stop that quick long kick out of defence so you have to put it in that context too. Ala Clarko going the hard zone on GWS last week and ******* up their ball movement totally.
 

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So many counter arguments of high caliber.

Sure, the Crows tried to shut the game down but there was no need to get into a game of chicken with who could stifle who the most. It was only when we got behind and they got momentum that we looked to open it up. Too late.

The tigers dictated the play from the opening bounce and it looked like we were trying restrict first, then attack.

We have three forwards who severely rely on confidence (Hogan, Tabs, Cam) and the last few weeks we've screwed with their confidence with how we've supported them going forward.
 

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Lol this article. Yeah I'm sure Ross just flicked the switch to defence cause he hates goals.

Pretty weak analysis. Ironically it's teams that play defensive footy that we are struggling against. So they are not allowing Freo to play the game style that let's them score freely. Obviously that is it's own problem. But anyone who thinks Freo hasn't been attempting to score is kinda idiotic.
No I just think that its harder for Ross to stay the course and to keep attacking when the conditions aren't ideal for it.

You really believe the dna/identity of our team at the moment is a take them on, attacking brand of footy?

Theres been hints of it but i stand by the idea that the last two games have moved us away from this.

I hope this week isn't the third step in a row away from some of the early positive stuff we saw.
 

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I want to think I'm paranoid but part of me believes the more Lyon is criticised for something by the media the more likely he is to double down on it.
That would imply his stubbornness and determination to be the smartest guy in the room overrides a more creative intelligence.
Its like when people were getting into him about the certainty of Blakely being selected he quickly shot down Ryan or whoever it was that said in the media he would love to see Blakely out there. When that happened I thought to myself, I bet he won't select Blakely this week, just to make a point about who calls the shots.
I want to believe the cause & effect I'm drawing isn't true but Ross always seems to double down when the pressure is on him.
 

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The general consensus seems to be he has got his list and he should be given this season to show the improvement we are all looking for. If not he should be moved on.
So far its probably 50/50 and with Hill,Blakely and Logue returning he might just get into the positive by seasons end. Going to be a fascinating next 8 games.
 

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I think the club should probably just move him on if we don't at least play finals, the list is too good now for excuses but..
I want to think I'm paranoid but part of me believes the more Lyon is criticised for something by the media the more likely he is to double down on it.
That would imply his stubbornness and determination to be the smartest guy in the room overrides a more creative intelligence.
Its like when people were getting into him about the certainty of Blakely being selected he quickly shot down Ryan or whoever it was that said in the media he would love to see Blakely out there. When that happened I thought to myself, I bet he won't select Blakely this week, just to make a point about who calls the shots.
I want to believe the cause & effect I'm drawing isn't true but Ross always seems to double down when the pressure is on him.
.. this is tin foil hat stuff.
 

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No I just think that its harder for Ross to stay the course and to keep attacking when the conditions aren't ideal for it.

You really believe the dna/identity of our team at the moment is a take them on, attacking brand of footy?

Theres been hints of it but i stand by the idea that the last two games have moved us away from this.

I hope this week isn't the third step in a row away from some of the early positive stuff we saw.
Gotta agree with this, it's been disappointing. Thought even in the Bulldogs game there was hints of it as well.
 

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He’s like an Ex girlfriend, when we first met he was so much fun and exciting, but as the years went on he didn’t treat us as well, everything stopped working, then this season he is trying to show us their is still good in him but ultimately it reverts back to the horrible ways of the last three seasons and we knew why we stopped caring
 

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I just might leave this here.

I noted a change in our play about three weeks ago.

Apparently I had a hidden agenda.
This is another great example of how the Lyon haters just love any narrative that suits their anti-lyon agenda ... fact or fiction doesn't matter.

Dixon's article would have been almost believable if not for the fact that only 2 of Freo's 16 goals against GWS came from movement through the corridor;
Goal 1 by Hogan which started from a turnover in Freo's Half Back when GWS tried to centre it and it resulted in a quick turnover and transition by Freo.
& Goal 15 again by Hogan which came from a Centre Clearance that Fyfe won and Mundy provided the inside 50.
 

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This is another great example of how the Lyon haters just love any narrative that suits their anti-lyon agenda ... fact or fiction doesn't matter.

Dixon's article would have been almost believable if not for the fact that only 2 of Freo's 16 goals against GWS came from movement through the corridor;
Goal 1 by Hogan which started from a turnover in Freo's Half Back when GWS tried to centre it and it resulted in a quick turnover and transition by Freo.
& Goal 15 again by Hogan which came from a Centre Clearance that Fyfe won and Mundy provided the inside 50.
haha. Well there you go. But you can expect replies about how stats don't show anything, especially compared to the "eye test" and "dem feels".

It is obvious that we have played really inconsistently in terms of game plan and style. For now we are not mature enough as a team to be able to stamp our authority on some of the other opposition, and end up being controlled by them. Pretty mucky to watch.
 

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haha. Well there you go. But you can expect replies about how stats don't show anything, especially compared to the "eye test" and "dem feels".

It is obvious that we have played really inconsistently in terms of game plan and style. For now we are not mature enough as a team to be able to stamp our authority on some of the other opposition, and end up being controlled by them. Pretty mucky to watch.
Steady on Gav, the poor poppets arms are quivering from lactic acid buildup. There is no room for nuance with brick throwing.
 

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This is another great example of how the Lyon haters just love any narrative that suits their anti-lyon agenda ... fact or fiction doesn't matter.

Dixon's article would have been almost believable if not for the fact that only 2 of Freo's 16 goals against GWS came from movement through the corridor;
Goal 1 by Hogan which started from a turnover in Freo's Half Back when GWS tried to centre it and it resulted in a quick turnover and transition by Freo.
& Goal 15 again by Hogan which came from a Centre Clearance that Fyfe won and Mundy provided the inside 50.
I don't hate Lyon. Demonise all you like or actually read some of the sentiment in this thread from Freo supporters.

I've acknowledged several times that I could be wrong. What about yourself? Any chance you could be a tad bias?
 

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haha. Well there you go. But you can expect replies about how stats don't show anything, especially compared to the "eye test" and "dem feels".

It is obvious that we have played really inconsistently in terms of game plan and style. For now we are not mature enough as a team to be able to stamp our authority on some of the other opposition, and end up being controlled by them. Pretty mucky to watch.
To my eye footy reporters pick stats that suit their argument and big footy posters do the same.

Are you saying that big footy posters would have less of an agenda than footy writers?

Theres no real analysis thats done on each side.
 

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If we miss finals gotta at the very least win half our games there's too much talent at his disposal now to expect any less, otherwise the club should seriously consider looking elsewhere.
 

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To my eye footy reporters pick stats that suit their argument and big footy posters do the same.

Are you saying that big footy posters would have less of an agenda than footy writers?

Theres no real analysis thats done on each side.
C'mon, stats are way more reliable than some narrative. Should you think a stat isn't accurate it's a simple process of either demonstrating where it's inaccurate or doesn't tell the whole story with stats that tell a different story or with demonstrations of flawed methodology in collecting those disputed stats.

It's massively strong human phenomenon that preconceptions will drive our understanding of the "facts", which increases in strength the more emotional the topic (hello footy), over facts driving the way we make sense of things. Stats and other more objective/more observational forms of evidence are important to test our impressions and perceptions.

Otherwise, we could join in the game of alternative facts and disregard anything that doesn't suit you claiming the "otherside" is partisan.
 
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I want to think I'm paranoid but part of me believes the more Lyon is criticised for something by the media the more likely he is to double down on it.
That would imply his stubbornness and determination to be the smartest guy in the room overrides a more creative intelligence.
Its like when people were getting into him about the certainty of Blakely being selected he quickly shot down Ryan or whoever it was that said in the media he would love to see Blakely out there. When that happened I thought to myself, I bet he won't select Blakely this week, just to make a point about who calls the shots.
I want to believe the cause & effect I'm drawing isn't true but Ross always seems to double down when the pressure is on him.
We both must be paranoid then because I totally agree with you. Was thinking it back when all the Freo supporters and media were wondering why Mora wasn’t getting a go in the league and it certainly seemed the more the support for Mora getting a game grew the more determined Ross became in not playing him. In the end he just had to give in and play him due to his WAFL form.

He certainly hates making changes that have been foreshadowed by someone else.
 
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We both must be paranoid then because I totally agree with you. Was thinking it back when all the Freo supporters and media were wondering why Mora wasn’t getting a go in the league and it certainly seemed the more the support for Mora getting a game grew the more determined Ross became in not playing him. In the end he just had to give in and play him due to his WAFL form.

He certainly hates making changes that have been foreshadowed by someone else.
I am a little bit paranoid too, because in the second half of 2015 everyone was suggesting Barlow should be used be used in the guts, and Ross would not do it.
 

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Tactics change against different opponents, and we have mixed results, only Cats have shown consistency.
Our best win was against GWS, and the inside 50's suggest we are much improved.
It's midfield forward, turn overs, intercept and rebound that is our kryptonite. All linked to game plan,
composure, skills, we don't create time and space, our score line strangled.
Sure play on quick, by handball, foot, but not always straight up the line or to stagnate targets.
Which happens when we have too many players clumped together, no seperation.
It's the short kick angled, longer handball and leading patterns, all of the above that needs addressing.
At the moment the opposition just need to congest our forward line, we will struggle to score and they
get us on the rebound.
Mirror Ross defensively and he struggles, it's why we need a specialist forward coach to fix the synergy to score.
 
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