List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

Is Ross still the man for the job?

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Snuffaluphagus said:
I'm going to post this here because I dont want to de-rail the Hogan thread.

I really find you to be the worst kind of supporter.

From looking at your history, posting frequently with plenty of criticism up until April 19. Then crickets for the next two weeks apart from one random post on Brandon Matera that found some weird way to still take a potshot at Lyon.

Then low and behold, you're back with vengeance after the Adelaide game

Be honest, were you happy or annoyed when we were 4 and 2?
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What about some of the other patterns we can see with his posts?

He never uses punctuation.

He usually has spelling errors.

His posts are never longer than a sentence or two. (His longest post is only 75 words.)



What gets me is that there's so much arguing in this thread between people that like to write out a logical, readable argument that uses stats or sources to try and back up there position. Writing paragraphs arguing with people that don't read what you've written, just counter your argument by going ross sucks or something similar.

Maybe he isn't deliberately being a troll, but is arguing with an idiot a better alternative?
 
Wigarus said:
What about some of the other patterns we can see with his posts?

He never uses punctuation.

He usually has spelling errors.

His posts are never longer than a sentence or two. (His longest post is only 75 words.)



What gets me is that there's so much arguing in this thread between people that like to write out a logical, readable argument that uses stats or sources to try and back up there position. Writing paragraphs arguing with people that don't read what you've written, just counter your argument by going ross sucks or something similar.

Maybe he isn't deliberately being a troll, but is arguing with an idiot a better alternative?
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Yeah its pretty frustrating but i can deal with the shitty grammar, and even shitty arguments (to some degree). What I cant stand is "supporters" who actually get enjoyment out of watching us lose and hate us winning because it invalidates their opinions, i would argue this dude is firmly in that category. If he's actually a Freo supporter at all. And I'm not here defending Lyon from every angle or coming up with excuses.

I think we have made some improvement so far this year but that can quickly go downhill, and if, by the end of the year, we dont show obvious signs of being a finals side next year I think Ross should go since I want to win a flag BUT if you take enjoyment out of games like GWS, why even bother following a football team
 
Wigarus said:
Maybe he isn't deliberately being a troll, but is arguing with an idiot a better alternative?
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No. It is known. You know what they say, if you argue with an idiot...

Who's the idiot though? We're trying to figure out why, when we thought we had finally put a team togethe, they can look good or they can look they did yesterday. There's all sides to the story. These are difficult times. If we win next week things change.
 

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Snuffaluphagus said:
Yeah its pretty frustrating but i can deal with the shitty grammar, and even shitty arguments (to some degree). What I cant stand is "supporters" who actually get enjoyment out of watching us lose and hate us winning because it invalidates their opinions, i would argue this dude is firmly in that category. If he's actually a Freo supporter at all. And I'm not here defending Lyon from every angle or coming up with excuses.

I think we have made some improvement so far this year but that can quickly go downhill, and if, by the end of the year, we dont show obvious signs of being a finals side next year I think Ross should go since I want to win a flag BUT if you take enjoyment out of games like GWS, why even bother following a football team
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I also get very frustated when they the critics of Ross say we haven't changed our style, we used to play a chip the ball around, kick the ball around backwards and sideways until it was turned over, we seem to be playing a lot faster with longer kicks and far less backwards to try and get it to the tall forwards, its just the skill level of kicks is still a long way behind. Also Hardwick was the one that wanted to start with the loose person behind the ball in the backline after the 6:6:6 of the bounce.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
I think we have made some improvement so far this year but that can quickly go downhill, and if, by the end of the year, we dont show obvious signs of being a finals side next year I think Ross should go since I want to win a flag BUT if you take enjoyment out of games like GWS, why even bother following a football team
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Have we improved though? I mean we have a fully fit young team, we acquired Hogan, Tabs is one of the best markers in the game, Fyfe and Mundy are back to their best. Let’s be honest we had a dream run, dream, dream run and blew it, Suns will finish bottom 4, should have put them to the sword, North are a basket case, Saints are a bottom 4 clubs, Eagles are poor we had them in the right place, GWS was a perfect platform to launch from, Bulldogs a bottom 6 club, Tigers had half their team out and put us to the sword, as the season unfolds more we might get a clear picture but for now our game plan is too easy to get around, our skills are a pathetic as is our forward entry, many of these guys are into their second and third seasons so really should be better, I mean they’re no Tim Kelly but cmon, it’s all skills based and I don’t see us getting better in that department
 
maka said:
Have we improved though? I mean we have a fully fit young team, we acquired Hogan, Tabs is one of the best markers in the game, Fyfe and Mundy are back to their best. Let’s be honest we had a dream run, dream, dream run and blew it, Suns will finish bottom 4, should have put them to the sword, North are a basket case, Saints are a bottom 4 clubs, Eagles are poor we had them in the right place, GWS was a perfect platform to launch from, Bulldogs a bottom 6 club, Tigers had half their team out and put us to the sword, as the season unfolds more we might get a clear picture but for now our game plan is too easy to get around, our skills are a pathetic as is our forward entry, many of these guys are into their second and third seasons so really should be better, I mean they’re no Tim Kelly but cmon, it’s all skills based and I don’t see us getting better in that department
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Its such an even comp though.

You have to be on or you lose.

Tigers had the same side the week before and didnt turn up, lost to the Dogs. Eagles beat GWS, Roo's beat Adelaide.

I think so far this year, our best is better than last year and our worse is not as s**t, the results and the eye test would indicate that. To brush it off purely as a personnel thing inst fair. The point is we've improved. Improving from 6 doesnt win flags though, improving from top 8 does. I reserve full judgement until further in the year since the season is long and full of terrors. Anything can and does happen every week

I agree our skills are not up to scratch but they were against GWS and North. I think they drop off DRAMATICALLY under pressure, I feel its worse than the other teams. That has to be fixed to go anywhere.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Its such an even comp though.

You have to be on or you lose.

Tigers had the same side the week before and didnt turn up, lost to the Dogs. Eagles beat GWS, Roo's beat Adelaide.

I think so far this year, our best is better than last year and our worse is not as ****, the results and the eye test would indicate that. To brush it off purely as a personnel thing inst fair. The point is we've improved. Improving from 6 doesnt win flags though, improving from top 8 does. I reserve full judgement until further in the year since the season is long and full of terrors. Anything can and does happen every week

I agree our skills are not up to scratch but they were against GWS and North. I think they drop off DRAMATICALLY under pressure, I feel its worse than the other teams. That has to be fixed to go anywhere.
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Skills are taught which is why most people think Ross needs to go, you’re turning players like Brad Hill and Hogan backwards, albeit Hawks were an elite unit, kind of like Brisbane were when Des Headland got found out here, but skills are taught from Coaches and I just don’t see them improving over many years, we have a great game plan, albeit only one game plan, it’s so tough to gauge, maybe it is purely assistant based and that’s where it really stems from, I mean with Kirk and Suma we were elite
 
maka said:
Skills are taught which is why most people think Ross needs to go, you’re turning players like Brad Hill and Hogan backwards, albeit Hawks were an elite unit, kind of like Brisbane were when Des Headland got found out here, but skills are taught from Coaches and I just don’t see them improving over many years, we have a great game plan, albeit only one game plan, it’s so tough to gauge, maybe it is purely assistant based and that’s where it really stems from, I mean with Kirk and Suma we were elite
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I disagree that Hill has gone backwards. He has been a better player for us than Hawthorn. Hogan has had 7 games coming off a serious foot injury. Will wait to see on that one.

I agree with you, skills are one of our weak points and historically one of Lyons, he has shown he can get teams to Grand Finals regardless.

You've got me defending him now, which was not what I was trying to do, I think the jury is out.

I'll ask you this, did you think things were looking good two weeks ago?
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
I disagree that Hill has gone backwards. He has been a better player for us than Hawthorn. Hogan has had 7 games coming off a serious foot injury. Will wait to see on that one.

I agree with you, skills are one of our weak points and historically one of Lyons, he has shown he can get teams to Grand Finals regardless.

You've got me defending him now, which was not what I was trying to do, I think the jury is out.

I'll ask you this, did you think things were looking good two weeks ago?
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Yeah I was back on board for sure, was fun and exciting again but just the last three weeks have been sombre and painful of old to watch, if he gets us 12+ wins give him two more years with new assistants, would love to see jlo or pav up their as forward assistants
 
Ross' wild ride continues. Not sure if I want to get off yet.

Yesterday was a chance we really should have taken given their injuries both pre- and intra-game. I do feel we tried to be a bit too clever for our own good selection wise. Some of the great things we saw in our good wins have dissipated.

The next two weeks will be interesting. Essendon are up and down - eminently beatable. Brisbane are probably ahead of us but at home we should still be favourites. If we can't win at least one of these games, preferably both, then I struggle to see how we are going to improve on the 8 wins of the last 2 years. The draw ahead is not favourable in that respect. If we don't then Ross is gone for me.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Yeah its pretty frustrating but i can deal with the shitty grammar, and even shitty arguments (to some degree). What I cant stand is "supporters" who actually get enjoyment out of watching us lose and hate us winning because it invalidates their opinions, i would argue this dude is firmly in that category. If he's actually a Freo supporter at all. And I'm not here defending Lyon from every angle or coming up with excuses.

I think we have made some improvement so far this year but that can quickly go downhill, and if, by the end of the year, we dont show obvious signs of being a finals side next year I think Ross should go since I want to win a flag BUT if you take enjoyment out of games like GWS, why even bother following a football team
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let me guess i should go support eagles ......supporters like you are the worst keep drinking the koolaid bud
 
benfica said:
let me guess i should go support eagles ......supporters like you are the worst keep drinking the koolaid bud
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I dont think comprehension is your strong point. I clearly said why bother following any team, you dont enjoy sport, you enjoy validating your opinion.

I have also clearly said several times that I'm not calling for Ross to be fired, nor do I think everything is peachy. I think we need to see more improvement by the end of the year and we have seen some improvement but not enough so far.

But its easier to just say "koolaid" and not contribute anything meaningful so you do you.
 
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maka said:
Yeah I was back on board for sure, was fun and exciting again but just the last three weeks have been sombre and painful of old to watch, if he gets us 12+ wins give him two more years with new assistants, would love to see jlo or pav up their as forward assistants
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See, short of making top 4 (which wont happen), I'm not giving him an extension this year. 12 wins would be a terrific result but not extension worthy, not when Melbourne and Roo's have shown how quickly it can go so wrong.

I'd want more proof that this year wouldnt have been a fluke.

I wouldnt be extending until midway through next year (no other club would go near him, so we arent having him poached) and less than 10 wins this year I'd be organising catch-ups with Longmuir, Ratten, Caracella etc. Its a pity Mitchell is locked into the next Hawks job.
 
Purpletown said:
I have to respectfully disagree with those who hold the view no other club would take Ross on as senior coach.

He is exactly what Carlton need at this point.
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I reckon Carlton supporters would burn the place to the ground if that happened
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
I dont think comprehension is your strong point. I clearly said why bother following any team, you dont enjoy sport, you enjoy validating your opinion.

I have also clearly said several times that I'm not calling for Ross to be fired, nor do I think everything is peachy. I think we need to see more improvement by the end of the year and we have seen some improvement but not enough so far.

But its easier to just say "koolaid" and not contribute anything meaningful so you do you.
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i will start enjoying my team when ross is outta there and we get a breath of fresh air around the club
 
If you think Ross is under pressure, What about Woosha? This game has more importance for both clubs.
Bombers like to get their coaches from Richmond.
 
Worsfold is just about the worst premiership coach since 2000.

Lyon would’ve won at least two flags with the West Coast list he had. Losing to that Sydney side with a side that had Cox, Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Glass, Braun and Embley is not anything to be proud of
 
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