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Think TG has somehow blocked it. 
If we are to target one of these, i think we would have a better chance of getting Pavlich.
Roughhead (love that name) will be very reluctant to leave the Hawks as they have got a bloody good side and are a lot closer to a flag than us. So it would cost a shit load more for him than Pavlich.
Where pav plays in the rabble that is Freo and would have more of a chance at a flag with us. So it would probably be a bit easier to convince him to come over, and may be a little cheaper.
Roughhead (love that name) will be very reluctant to leave the Hawks as they have got a bloody good side and are a lot closer to a flag than us. So it would cost a shit load more for him than Pavlich.
Where pav plays in the rabble that is Freo and would have more of a chance at a flag with us. So it would probably be a bit easier to convince him to come over, and may be a little cheaper.
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have heard Roughie loves it at Hawthorn, be surprised if any levered him away
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In all seriousness, on paper it seems like getting Roughie is a reasonible possibility.
At Carlton Roughie will get
-To be the first option (step out of buddies shadow)
-More money (fev and stevo have left us plently of spare cash to throw around)
-He will be in a team that will be playing finals from 2011 onwards
-Great delievery from gibbs, judd, murph, yaz
All of that ^ plus the fact that he wouldn't have to leave his melbourne base, should be enough for Swann to goto work with and convince him to get on board,
Also Hawthorns Rucks are disgusting and not having anything close to a ruckmen will likely cost them a flag this year. We have 4, with hammer being the obivious choice to start on the negociations.
Only thing standing in the way is that Hawthorn will likely counter with Dowler for Judd, murph and Kreuzer
At Carlton Roughie will get
-To be the first option (step out of buddies shadow)
-More money (fev and stevo have left us plently of spare cash to throw around)
-He will be in a team that will be playing finals from 2011 onwards
-Great delievery from gibbs, judd, murph, yaz
All of that ^ plus the fact that he wouldn't have to leave his melbourne base, should be enough for Swann to goto work with and convince him to get on board,
Also Hawthorns Rucks are disgusting and not having anything close to a ruckmen will likely cost them a flag this year. We have 4, with hammer being the obivious choice to start on the negociations.
Only thing standing in the way is that Hawthorn will likely counter with Dowler for Judd, murph and Kreuzer
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Can't see us landing either.
Roughead loves it at Hawthorn, has already won a flag and is likely to win at least one more there. Doubt he'd be the player to leave for extra $$$, and he certainly wouldn't walk out on Hawthorn.
Pavlich is still unlikely. Only way we'd nab him is if Freo have an absolute SHOCKER of a year in 2010 (and by that i mean a spoon) and Harvey gets the sack. If that happened, i would say there's a fair chance a new coach would look to trade in whatever mature players he has (e.g. Pavlich) for one of our younger players. Draft picks will be worthless with the GC having them all.
Roughead loves it at Hawthorn, has already won a flag and is likely to win at least one more there. Doubt he'd be the player to leave for extra $$$, and he certainly wouldn't walk out on Hawthorn.
Pavlich is still unlikely. Only way we'd nab him is if Freo have an absolute SHOCKER of a year in 2010 (and by that i mean a spoon) and Harvey gets the sack. If that happened, i would say there's a fair chance a new coach would look to trade in whatever mature players he has (e.g. Pavlich) for one of our younger players. Draft picks will be worthless with the GC having them all.
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Are they the only example?
Many premiers have had these hey forwards, but how many of them performed to win them the flag?
Hawks? Port? Lions? WCE? Sydney?
You go back a long way to find a key forward having a day out on GF day.
Miserly defence and a gun midfield win premierships. Forward lines look after themselves to some degree.
O'hAilpin not a premiership player? Westhoff is?
Sure.....it would be great to have a "gun forward"......but we have had one for the past 5 years.......and it makes us one dimensional. If we get Roughy or Pav it will be the "kick it to Fev" gameplan all over again.
What makes Geelong so good is they don't have one key target, so it makes it really hard to block space and zone off. Henderson, O'hAilpin and Waite as a group will be better than adding one dominant forward amongst them.........and I think we have already witnessed this pre-season that Yarran is about to become something quite special.......that radar is just starting to find its line.
So neither thanks.
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You forget he could play way past to at least 33 he is as fit as Hall.The other thing we recruited Chris Judd with big money to get him playing his best football now.The club wouldn't want to waste the time to get someone firing 4 years when Judd played his best.
I think Pavlich would be a great get by the club playing forward with Henderson.The club throw Gartlett and Betts there and you have fire power.
Kreuzer stays in the Ruck that plays a bit like a midfield along with the other mid while Waite permanent in the back.
Pavlich can also plays everywhere in the ground but i doubt he leave Freo and if he did he would go to one of his home state teams you would think.
This could be interesting...
GC will be wanting a mature body to play in the ruck from day 1...
We have 4 ruckman so we can trade from a position of strength...
The Hawks desperately need a ruckman so they might trade if it Roughy wanted to leave...
Make no mistake, Swanny will move heaven and earth to land a key forward at the end of the year, my bet is its already done!
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Weren't people on here talking about throwing the kitchen sink at Travis Boak at the end of this year ?
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That was mostly my dream, but he's signed for about four more years with Port sadly
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Are they the only example?
Many premiers have had these hey forwards, but how many of them performed to win them the flag?
Hawks? Port? Lions? WCE? Sydney?
You go back a long way to find a key forward having a day out on GF day.
Miserly defence and a gun midfield win premierships. Forward lines look after themselves to some degree.
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all those teams you mentioned except west coast have had gun key forwards. they may not have fired up on the day but have had huge roles getting their teams there. The grand final itself is most commonly a low scoring grind with one on one contests all over the park. its not the kind of conditions that are favourable for a key forward. Its about getting enough wins to make the grand final and to do that i think you need to have a gun key forward.
also, i think some of gold coasts early picks will be on the table so there is no reason we cant get ourselves into the necessary position at the trade table to get the player we want should the need arise.
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Anyone who thinks we should just develop what we have is mad, the old premiership window isn't open for ever, with the side we have, if we could include a ready made star forward (who isn't a head case) and also allow Henderson to get another year under his belt, we'll be premiership material.
With what we have now, i'd say we are no hope of a premiership.
We have to get one of this at season end and i think Roughead is the man. Hawks lack of ruckman is obvious, we have 4, chuck in our first round pick and a nice sum of money to Roughead and the deal will be looking good for both sides.
Hawks have Dowler to replace roughead, they have no one to ruck though. First round draft pick (which remember is like 15-25 or something like that) will be the icing on the cake.
Roughead needs to get out of Franklins shadow and be a star, Carlton can offer him that.
Lets be honest, 2010 is almost over before it started for us, unless blokes like Henderson and Sentanta can turn in a few blinders, we just don't have the man power up forward and don't know how to play a game plan without it. This will be a learning year, but i think will be good for us going forward once we do have a big fella coming out of the square, we'll know how to play without trying to kick it to him at all costs.
With what we have now, i'd say we are no hope of a premiership.
We have to get one of this at season end and i think Roughead is the man. Hawks lack of ruckman is obvious, we have 4, chuck in our first round pick and a nice sum of money to Roughead and the deal will be looking good for both sides.
Hawks have Dowler to replace roughead, they have no one to ruck though. First round draft pick (which remember is like 15-25 or something like that) will be the icing on the cake.
Roughead needs to get out of Franklins shadow and be a star, Carlton can offer him that.
Lets be honest, 2010 is almost over before it started for us, unless blokes like Henderson and Sentanta can turn in a few blinders, we just don't have the man power up forward and don't know how to play a game plan without it. This will be a learning year, but i think will be good for us going forward once we do have a big fella coming out of the square, we'll know how to play without trying to kick it to him at all costs.
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Why do people say Geelong have done it without a key forward, has anyone heard of a bloke by the name of Cam Mooney who kicked 60 plus goals in 2007 and was all-australian?? and in 2009 i'm pretty sure Tom Hawkins might have kicked 3 or so goals in the grand final, plus Mooney running around. And then they have the added bonus of Chapman, Johnson and Ablett kicking a few.
N Ablett also kicked a few in the 07 grand final. Not star, but solid players, players we don't have at the moment.
Also, i wouldn't say T Hawkins is out of contention for the blues in 2011 as well.
Next year we will trade off a ruckman, it wouldn't be fair not to. Why should Jacobs and Hampson hang around and play bullants when they could go to 5 or 6 clubs right now and play seniors.
N Ablett also kicked a few in the 07 grand final. Not star, but solid players, players we don't have at the moment.
Also, i wouldn't say T Hawkins is out of contention for the blues in 2011 as well.
Next year we will trade off a ruckman, it wouldn't be fair not to. Why should Jacobs and Hampson hang around and play bullants when they could go to 5 or 6 clubs right now and play seniors.
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Hard to argue with any of that. Roughead or Pav would take some pressure of Hendo's development too.
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Was that before we picked up Brock in trade week, and then Lucas at the draft? Boak isn't the player we need to target now.
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Pav is awesome, but I'm done with old players. We'd probably have to give an arm and a leg to get him away from Freo.
From what I've heard from Hawks supporters, they rated Roughie above Buddy until Buddy strutted it and took them to the finals. I think he gets overshadowed at times, though I'm sure he still loves it there. The only reason I see us getting him is for the shear large $$$. He has Hodge, Mitchell, Cyril and even Burgoyne now.
Trade hard for Roughie, stick him at FF, put Hendo at CHF and leave Waite at rebounding defender, with Russell/Bower to take up CHB. Thornton can float and help Jamo. O'hailpin back with the leprechauns - he's a temporary fix.
Much stronger looking team.
From what I've heard from Hawks supporters, they rated Roughie above Buddy until Buddy strutted it and took them to the finals. I think he gets overshadowed at times, though I'm sure he still loves it there. The only reason I see us getting him is for the shear large $$$. He has Hodge, Mitchell, Cyril and even Burgoyne now.
Trade hard for Roughie, stick him at FF, put Hendo at CHF and leave Waite at rebounding defender, with Russell/Bower to take up CHB. Thornton can float and help Jamo. O'hailpin back with the leprechauns - he's a temporary fix.
Much stronger looking team.
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Er, you're making it sound a lot easier than it really is.
Trading Hampson plus your first pick for Roughead isn't going to cut it, absolutely no chance. For starters, the Gold Coast would be able to offer Hawthorn a much better deal as they have all the draft picks (+cash), secondly, Roughead is young and a genuine KPF, one of the finest the comp has atm, they don't grow on trees, he went at pick 2 and considering it paid off very well, his value increases drastically and when you think about offering one of your 'decent' ruckmen + pick 15-25 for Roughy, it sounds ridiculous
If Carlton were to make a realistic offer for Roughead, my guess is that it would involve Kreuzer and maybe a bright developing KPD like Austin and Hawthorn would speak. It would probably be easier to get Pavlich but I reckon he'll play his entire career at Freo.
Another option to consider for your mob is Jack Darling, the guy the GC will sign this year. He's definitely the best 17 year old KPF right now and from what I've seen, he plays a lot like Jonathan Brown/Wayne Carey.
Trading Hampson plus your first pick for Roughead isn't going to cut it, absolutely no chance. For starters, the Gold Coast would be able to offer Hawthorn a much better deal as they have all the draft picks (+cash), secondly, Roughead is young and a genuine KPF, one of the finest the comp has atm, they don't grow on trees, he went at pick 2 and considering it paid off very well, his value increases drastically and when you think about offering one of your 'decent' ruckmen + pick 15-25 for Roughy, it sounds ridiculous
If Carlton were to make a realistic offer for Roughead, my guess is that it would involve Kreuzer and maybe a bright developing KPD like Austin and Hawthorn would speak. It would probably be easier to get Pavlich but I reckon he'll play his entire career at Freo.
Another option to consider for your mob is Jack Darling, the guy the GC will sign this year. He's definitely the best 17 year old KPF right now and from what I've seen, he plays a lot like Jonathan Brown/Wayne Carey.
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Boak is a bloody fantastic player and would be a star at any team in the league.
Are they the only example?
Many premiers have had these hey forwards, but how many of them performed to win them the flag?
Hawks? Port? Lions? WCE? Sydney?
You go back a long way to find a key forward having a day out on GF day.
Miserly defence and a gun midfield win premierships. Forward lines look after themselves to some degree.
O'hAilpin not a premiership player? Westhoff is?
Sure.....it would be great to have a "gun forward"......but we have had one for the past 5 years.......and it makes us one dimensional. If we get Roughy or Pav it will be the "kick it to Fev" gameplan all over again.
What makes Geelong so good is they don't have one key target, so it makes it really hard to block space and zone off. Henderson, O'hAilpin and Waite as a group will be better than adding one dominant forward amongst them.........and I think we have already witnessed this pre-season that Yarran is about to become something quite special.......that radar is just starting to find its line.
So neither thanks.
Offer the Dogs a second round pick for Grant.
l believe your argument is quite flawed, the above teams mentioned all had quality forwards, Brisbane with Brown & Lynch, Hawks with Franklin & Roughead, Port with Tredrea and Swans with Hall, all players that would have had a major contribution towards winning a flag.
Geelong have been fortunate having three stars Chapman, Ablett and Johnson placing less reliance on a pure gun tall forward however Cam Mooney is grossly under-rated on this board, his form one- two years was exceptional.
The Bulldogs now realised that they needed to fill a missing link in the puzzle hence their recruitment of Barry Hall, how handy would he be at the Blues in the short term without giving up much.
Ideally Henderson would be a third option this year, however with a lack of options he is going to be forced to play a role he is probably one to two years away from.
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I think the lure of a premiership could sway someone like Pavlich but personally I think he is too old to fit our needs and will be very expensive... Roughy already has his cup so if he moves he will move for dollars rather than glory and although we have a warchest its not really comparable to the money that GC17 or GWS could throw at him. Saying that for him to move to CFC would be ridiculously expensive.
For what its worth, rather than going for a relatively old forward that may kick 60-70 goals a season why not try and pick up a 40-50 goal 24-26 yearold on the cheap?
Surely there must be a few available that would fit into a multipronged forwardline?
For what its worth, rather than going for a relatively old forward that may kick 60-70 goals a season why not try and pick up a 40-50 goal 24-26 yearold on the cheap?
Surely there must be a few available that would fit into a multipronged forwardline?
