Round 1 2003 Lineup

[Zombie]

Barring any injuries from now until round 1 2003 what do you think the Port Adelaide line up will look like? Here's mine:

FF: S.Burgoyne D.White G.Wanganeen
HF: S.Dew W.Tredrea C.Cornes
C: J.Schofield J.Carr R.James
HB: D.Hardwick T.Thurstans B.Montgomery
FB: B.Pickett D.Wakelin M.Bishop
R: M.Primus J.Francou N.Stevens
I/C: B.Lade, S.Paxman, P.Burgoyne, M.Wilson
E: K.Cornes, B.Guerra, J.Poulton

This assumes that French and Kingsley are traded in some capacity and we get B.Pickett through a trade in some capacity. It is pretty scarey that despite K.Cornes' improvement I still can't fit him in a starting 22 despite cutting 2 players and only bringing in 1. Couldn't even find a spot for C-Collins in the 25.

I think it is important that we use Wangas up forward next year as we seemed to miss him up there this year, with M.Wilson, B.Montgomery, D.Hardwick and hopefully B.Picket D) we shouldn't need him to play as a small defender.

Thurstans needs to play CHB for atleast the first 5 games of the season to see how he goes, IMO. Paxman can't do it and Bishop isn't suited to it whilst putting Wakes there is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Look at that CHF line!

 

[Port01]

Using players on our list now:

FF: P Burgoyne, White, Wanganeen
HF: Dew, Tredrea, C Cornes
C: Schofield, James, N Stevens
HB: S Burgoyne, Bishop, Montgomery
FB: Hardwick, Wakelin, Morgan
R: Primus, Francou, Carr
I: K Cornes, Guerra, Lade, Wilson
E: Thurstans, Poulton, Hall

I don't think we can afford Paxman on the bench if we are already playing 3 talls at each end of the ground.

I used Bishop as CHB because I think he plays pretty well there as an attacking option. Morgan and Thurstans should be given a lot of time there in the preseason though. We need to know if those guys can play, or at least give them trade value.

I also didn't include French or Kingsley, mainly because you didn't include Kingsley and I thought it was a good idea. If Lade is traded instead of French swap them.

 

[PAfolwr]

I know this is on a bit of a tangent, but I hope that in 2003 we get to do our annual travel extravaganza at the beginning of the season rather the towards the middle or end.
It appears that injuries/instabilities to our team in the last two years seem to coincide with this period.
Brisbane last year had the same problem at the beginning of the year, due mainly to the ridiculous amount of travelling in the pre-season comp, but come finals time their team was primed.
Our team has been anything but primed come finals time in the last two years. If anything it has been at the "lowest" of any stage during the year.

 

[gbear]

Originally posted by PAfolwr
I know this is on a bit of a tangent, but I hope that in 2003 we get to do our annual travel extravaganza at the beginning of the season rather the towards the middle or end.
It appears that injuries/instabilities to our team in the last two years seem to coincide with this period.
Brisbane last year had the same problem at the beginning of the year, due mainly to the ridiculous amount of travelling in the pre-season comp, but come finals time their team was primed.
Our team has been anything but primed come finals time in the last two years. If anything it has been at the "lowest" of any stage during the year.

To be successful next year...
1) Port should look to buy a couple of the Victorian clubs home games i.e. Kangaroos to help them financially
2) Apply for an increase in salary cap to help increase club membership.
3) Do all their travelling in the first part of the season.
4) Do not expend as much energy in the preseason comp.
5) Be able to beat Brisbane at the Gabba and get rid of the hodoo associated with the Kangaroos off our backs.

 

[Portia]

To be successful next year....

1. Port should make the eight.
2. Port should win four finals.

I don't reckon there'll be as much emphasis on finishing top after 22 rounds next year, somehow.

 

[mfitz3121]

Originally posted by Zombie


FF: S.Burgoyne D.White G.Wanganeen
HF: S.Dew W.Tredrea C.Cornes
C: J.Schofield J.Carr R.James
HB: D.Hardwick T.Thurstans B.Montgomery
FB: B.Pickett D.Wakelin M.Bishop
R: M.Primus J.Francou N.Stevens
I/C: B.Lade, S.Paxman, P.Burgoyne, M.Wilson
E: K.Cornes, B.Guerra, J.Poulton

I'd be pretty unhappy if this was our lineup for R1. It would mean we had wasted another trading summer. If Pacca is not good enough to play in the starting 18, then it sahould be bye-bye. I believe he'll be fine. From all accounts, Thurstans is a flanker at best. Where is Bassett? Traded? But for whom or what? Kane Cornes as an emergency? Guerra? If these guys aren't ready, trade them. But they are. Peter Burgoyne on the bench? Trade him, because he's worth a lot more gone than riding the pine.

If this is our best team 2003, we can look forward to sliding down the ladder.

We should trade Puss and P Burgoyne as well as a ruckman - or even two. And why are people still so enamoured of Pickett?

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Zombie
Barring any injuries from now until round 1 2003 what do you think the Port Adelaide line up will look like? Here's mine:

FF: S.Burgoyne D.White G.Wanganeen
HF: S.Dew W.Tredrea C.Cornes
C: J.Schofield J.Carr R.James
HB: D.Hardwick T.Thurstans B.Montgomery
FB: B.Pickett D.Wakelin M.Bishop
R: M.Primus J.Francou N.Stevens
I/C: B.Lade, S.Paxman, P.Burgoyne, M.Wilson
E: K.Cornes, B.Guerra, J.Poulton

This assumes that French and Kingsley are traded in some capacity and we get B.Pickett through a trade in some capacity. It is pretty scarey that despite K.Cornes' improvement I still can't fit him in a starting 22 despite cutting 2 players and only bringing in 1. Couldn't even find a spot for C-Collins in the 25.

I think it is important that we use Wangas up forward next year as we seemed to miss him up there this year, with M.Wilson, B.Montgomery, D.Hardwick and hopefully B.Picket D) we shouldn't need him to play as a small defender.

Thurstans needs to play CHB for atleast the first 5 games of the season to see how he goes, IMO. Paxman can't do it and Bishop isn't suited to it whilst putting Wakes there is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Look at that CHF line!

Zombie if you can't find a spot for young Cornes we can always arrange a swap for Marsh, you never know you guys might need a seventh ruckman on your list,

Who you gonna give up for Picket ?

Forgot all about M Wilson hope he makes a full recovery,

 

[noddy]

Re: Re: Round 1 2003 Lineup

Originally posted by mfitz3121


If this is our best team 2003, we can look forward to sliding down the ladder.

Get use to it cause it's gonna happen beginning next year, you guys have had your chance for a flag & blew it badly, better luck {i think not} in the years to come,

 

[Portia]

Re: Re: Re: Round 1 2003 Lineup

Originally posted by noddy
Get use to it cause it's gonna happen beginning next year, you guys have had your chance for a flag & blew it badly, better luck {i think not} in the years to come,

You must be pessimistic about the Crows prospects then.

 

[hilly]

Originally posted by Zombie
This assumes......we get B.Pickett through a trade in some capacity

What would you be willing to offer for him. He is definitely not untradeable

 

[Portia]

Pickett would be handy, but far from a priority. We have Wilson back next year, on top of having Hardwick and Guerra who can perform similar roles.

 

[sog35]

Originally posted by Zombie
FF: S.Burgoyne D.White G.Wanganeen
HF: S.Dew W.Tredrea C.Cornes
C: J.Schofield J.Carr R.James
HB: D.Hardwick T.Thurstans B.Montgomery
FB: B.Pickett D.Wakelin M.Bishop
R: M.Primus J.Francou N.Stevens
I/C: B.Lade, S.Paxman, P.Burgoyne, M.Wilson
E: K.Cornes, B.Guerra, J.Poulton

I'm thinking more like:

B: Wilson Wakelin Thurstans
HB: Hardwick Bishop Montgomery
C: James Carr Schofield
HF: Caracella Tredrea Dew
F: White Cornes S. Burgoyne
1R: Primus Francou Stevens
I/C: Brogan P. Burgoyne K. Cornes Guerra

French for Caracella is the only adjustment. No need for Pickett with Wilbur coming back.

 

[Zombie]

Re: Re: Round 1 2003 Lineup

Originally posted by mfitz3121


I'd be pretty unhappy if this was our lineup for R1. It would mean we had wasted another trading summer. If Pacca is not good enough to play in the starting 18, then it sahould be bye-bye. I believe he'll be fine. From all accounts, Thurstans is a flanker at best. Where is Bassett? Traded? But for whom or what? Kane Cornes as an emergency? Guerra? If these guys aren't ready, trade them. But they are. Peter Burgoyne on the bench? Trade him, because he's worth a lot more gone than riding the pine.

If this is our best team 2003, we can look forward to sliding down the ladder.

We should trade Puss and P Burgoyne as well as a ruckman - or even two. And why are people still so enamoured of Pickett?

Where would Paco play? Wakes is at FB and the only other option is a tall back pocket but Bishop is ahead of him at the moment. Thurstans a flanker? Don't think so, he is the most likely to be our CHB of the future.

Bassett? He's gone, first player delisted. What do you mean trade K.Cornes and Guerra if they aren't ready? They are 19/20, they have plenty of time to consolidate a spot, neither are in our best 22.

Pickett is exactly what Port needs, would add a bit of toughness to the side aswell as the return of M.Wilson and the pick up of D.Hardwick last year.

 

[mfitz3121]

Re: Re: Round 1 2003 Lineup

Originally posted by sog35


French for Caracella is the only adjustment. .

I thought trades were supposed to improve a team.

 

[Portia]

Re: Re: Re: Round 1 2003 Lineup

Originally posted by mfitz3121
I thought trades were supposed to improve a team.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

French for McVeigh sounds better.

 

[football365]

caracella ****s on mcveigh. Mcveigh is the most token player on the essendon list, he contributes nothing cept to smash poor jimmy face, and a lot of my essendon supporter friends agree.

 

[Portmanteau]

McVeigh = chump.

Caracella is a direct replacement for CCC. I think that's an improvement, don't you? French can't really play forward or back as we had hoped, so Brogan gets the gig due to his tap ruck and forward abilities, while Bazza Brooks develops.

 

[BIG DADDY]

I think you are forgetting Wilbur...

And I wouldn't be too quick in trading French....what if we lost Matty for 6-8 weeks......Lade would be a more sensible trade

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by BIG DADDY

And I wouldn't be too quick in trading French....what if we lost Matty for 6-8 weeks......Lade would be a more sensible trade

True.... French does seem to be the favoured ruckman at the moment; but that doesn't mean everyone on this site believes he is the best. I would much prefer to have seen Lade's comeback not in the forward line but in ruck. After all, he was our principal ruckman in 1999 when Primus was injured for the year and also played well in ruck at the Gabba in round 7 till he was injured.
I believe Lade's comeback has been very badly handled and he should be our second ruckman, not a tall forward pocket.

 

[Portia]

French has the highest trade value due to being our second ruck almost all of this year. It makes sense to trade him, beause we know that our third, forurth, fifth and sixth options wouldn't be missing that much, but they have less trade value.

 

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by Porthos
French has the highest trade value due to being our second ruck almost all of this year. It makes sense to trade him, beause we know that our third, forurth, fifth and sixth options wouldn't be missing that much, but they have less trade value.

I agree, if we want something good, we must be prepared to give someone that has trade value now, not in the past. There are a number that fit in that category including French and N. Stevens as their potential value is not too different from their present value. If their trade value is lower than their value to us we should keep them.
Not sure that came out right, so here goes again. Getting lots for not much won't an easy thing to do now that Wallace has gone.

 

[bluechampion]

Kingsley?

You're all ver quick to dismiss Kingsley. He's a former club champion, and was a valuable linkman running out of defence for the first half of the year. He had a bad finals series, but that's all.

As A carlton supporter, we'd prefer Brogan. How'd you like Scott Freeborn for him? He's not super talented, but he's hard-at it, and it seems you need a bit of mongrel in you. He's also a South Australian.

 

[Portia]

Re: Kingsley?

Originally posted by bluechampion
How'd you like Scott Freeborn for him? He's not super talented, but he's hard-at it, and it seems you need a bit of mongrel in you. He's also a South Australian.

He's also been on our list before. I don't reckon we would've delisted him for no reason.

 

[bluechampion]

Freeborn

But that was ages ago... he's much better now. Really.

Oh, okay, i give up.

 

[sog35]

Re: Re: Kingsley?

Originally posted by Porthos
He's also been on our list before. I don't reckon we would've delisted him for no reason.

Did his knee...