So 150 games, about 5 quality, 10 B grade and C grade for the rest?
Just the bloke we need to teach our younger players.
I found his heart tho.
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Just the bloke we need to teach our younger players.
I found his heart tho.
It will be interesting to see what youngsters can out perform the seniors this year
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On a few occasions this year, the imbeciles sitting around me would berate Taylor for "waiting out the back," and when the ball invariably fell into his hands, they'd say "you were lucky this time, next time attack the contest!"
Walker has an inate ability to read the play, something that is lost on a lot of stupid fans.
Present company excluded, of course.
But he also gets beaten to the footy on many occasiosn and looks lazy. I don't mind him reading the footy but he does need to hit contests a bit harder IMO.
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It's about 150 games more than Cook or Jacky will ever play. He's a solid role player, every team has them, and there are always a few of them in a premiership side playing roles and filling the gaps between the stars with experience and hard slog. Our problem in recent seasons has been too many of them filling too many gaps between too few stars.
Symes was already pushed out of the best 22, and into a do or die one year contract right before a super draft. Mick Doughty should be playing his last season this year as well. It's up to Smith, Brown, Lyons, Martin, Riley and whatever new draftees we get to fight it out and earn their spots ahead of Reilly, Douglas, Doughty, Petrenko, Knights, Mackay et al - and up to those guys to respond, and do better.
The same goes for the likes of Thompson, Lynch, Johnston and Shaw to fight for the spots of Otten, Henderson and Walker, for Jenkins to push McKernan, and for those three to respond and do better.
Symes was already pushed out of the best 22, and into a do or die one year contract right before a super draft. Mick Doughty should be playing his last season this year as well. It's up to Smith, Brown, Lyons, Martin, Riley and whatever new draftees we get to fight it out and earn their spots ahead of Reilly, Douglas, Doughty, Petrenko, Knights, Mackay et al - and up to those guys to respond, and do better.
The same goes for the likes of Thompson, Lynch, Johnston and Shaw to fight for the spots of Otten, Henderson and Walker, for Jenkins to push McKernan, and for those three to respond and do better.
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The thing is people seem to assume that a player is either a gun, or they're a Jacky/Cook-esque total flop. There are players who will hit between those two marks, who are still AFL-caliber players.
Reilly is one such player.
Reilly is one such player.
Reilly is an above average AFL player, purely by defenition. What's the average games played these days? 30 or something like that?
He'd probably be on par for a best 22 player in terms of his career games and stats.
Yes that means bugger all when we pick our team, but bet your bottom dollar Sando won't tolerate our mids being bulldozed again this year. Reilly's one of the few big bodies mids we have, if the young mids don't bulk up and lift their stoppage game, Radar plays.
He'd probably be on par for a best 22 player in terms of his career games and stats.
Yes that means bugger all when we pick our team, but bet your bottom dollar Sando won't tolerate our mids being bulldozed again this year. Reilly's one of the few big bodies mids we have, if the young mids don't bulk up and lift their stoppage game, Radar plays.
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The problem under the previous regime was not the level of Reilly's talent, it was the level of responsibility he was handed.
Neil backed the battlers. Instead of giving them bit roles, he gave them more responsbility, heaped more expectations on them. That was Neil's MO.
Neil had a terrible habit of exposing players like Reilly warts and all, to the world.
Hence we now see guys like him as frustrating players - rather than the serviceable, shortish-career role players they actually are.
Reilly was given leadership roles under Craig, and excelled in those roles. On-field he was given roles of ever-decreasing levels of importance, during a period when we had very few other mid-sized players of his type to replace him.
Let's not beat around the bush here. People are frustrated at Reilly not because of anything Craig did, nor because of anything Reilly did. They're frustrated at him because of what Fantasia did - that is, select him at #12.
Of course, he's been a poor return on that investment, but that's all.
Let's not beat around the bush here. People are frustrated at Reilly not because of anything Craig did, nor because of anything Reilly did. They're frustrated at him because of what Fantasia did - that is, select him at #12.
Of course, he's been a poor return on that investment, but that's all.
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I disagree Stab. Neil took pride in handing the battlers big responsiiblity. When there was a big clearance to be won, you'd look in the centre square, and who was there, in way above his head? Yep, Radar. And Skipworth.
Also, is it my imagination or did Reilly's role in the side change as soon as Bickley took over? I'm sure it did.
Also, is it my imagination or did Reilly's role in the side change as soon as Bickley took over? I'm sure it did.
Yea because Reilly is such a gun at stoppages we had him playing as a failed tagger.
I was 13 then, do you really think i cared what number we drafted him at. I didnt even understand the draft then, nor did I care because girls had BOOBS!!!
I'm frustrated at Reilly cause he kept playing and is a spud.
Didnt they have the gun C grade spud Reilly trying to cover Special J's spot on the Half back flank.
I'm not saying you cared then - I'm saying you care about it now. Reilly is a first round draft pick who hasn't come on like you'd hope a first round draft pick would. That annoys people.
If he was a rookie selection we'd be calling it inspired.
SP - a bit much to refer to Skipworth, he didn't exactly have a long career under Craig, nor was he given a huge amount of responsibility.
With Reilly we've used him all around the ground, rather than settling him into one position. To me that doesn't sound like the whim of a coach who is entrusting a player with a vital role. That sounds like a coach who is using Reilly to fill in the gaps left behind once the more vital players have been placed into position.
If he was a rookie selection we'd be calling it inspired.
SP - a bit much to refer to Skipworth, he didn't exactly have a long career under Craig, nor was he given a huge amount of responsibility.
With Reilly we've used him all around the ground, rather than settling him into one position. To me that doesn't sound like the whim of a coach who is entrusting a player with a vital role. That sounds like a coach who is using Reilly to fill in the gaps left behind once the more vital players have been placed into position.
Would you suggest Brodie Smith stand next to Judd at a stoppage? Reilly's one of only ahandful of player who don't get bulldozed. He's no world beater, but until the rest of our midfield are hard enough to compete, then it's Radar.
I really don't care, I grew up watching Reilly as a spud who may come good. Never really did. Don't care he was a first rounder now, we are stuck with him, til his contract runs out.
After he was delisted...
Whooo!! Gap filler, wait isnt that what we usually do with young players to figure where they play their best footy..
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Satirical reference.... I just like saying Skipworth.
He was part of that initial "backbone" group though.
A dumb name to brand a group of battlers, when we all knew exactly the four of five players who were the real backbone of the side.
Oh don't we have a capitain that would be suited to a tagging role?
How about a future capitain in Sloane?
Douglas was fair shit last year, maybe we can reinvent him as a tagger too.
Knights needs to do something this year too.
I would all rather them be trialed instead of Reilly.
I think the use of VB post Craig last year was a LOT better. In the middle as an inside mid. He's an option, but I rather use him offensively. The other blokes are more attacking and Sloane doens't have the weight to stay shoulder to shoulder.
I'm not saying Radar should be best 22 each week, nor he should remain our tagger next year, but he deserved the games he got last year and gave us weight we lacked. It's just frustrating to see the deer in headlights when he has the ball at times.
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He is good backup like Symes.
I still want to see Symes as an inside mid instead of a half back flanker.
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Probably because he works his ass off to get into position to receive the ball, as well as to get back and help out the defence. If only Vince had his work ethic...
Still doesnt explain why they put a guy with questionable disposal in a spot where disposal is key.
No point getting the ball if you cant use it!
Could work his ass off and get back on D in the middle too. Except in the middle you take advantage of his competetiveness, tackling and reduce exposure on his kicking and decision making by foot.
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That's true.
We do need more runners across half back though. Johncock is pretty much the only one who provides drive out of defence and he is copping a tag most weeks now. We used to have plenty of rebounding defenders - Bock, McLeod, Torney, Bassett, etc but this has dried up in recent times.
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