Strategy Round 1, 2014

[ThePuppetMaster]

This is getting so difficult! We actually have the luxury now of not having to play flankers/inexperienced players as inside/outside midfielders, and it's actually a matter of trying to fit midfielders into the side. No idea where to put Cross. Tyson I guess probably 'starts on the bench' or out of the side, and he should have to work to win his place.

FB: Garland Frawley Dunn/Strauss
HB: Grimes McDonald Terlich
C: Cross Watts Vince
HF: Howe Clark Trengove
F: Blease Dawes Hogan
R: Gawn N Jones Viney
Int: Michie Fitzpatrick Tyson
S: Kent/Toumpas

Solid lineup - can't see Fitzy getting games unless there is an injury or Hogan is given a breather.

Will cripple our run.

 

[Tulip]

Who is giving Jamar a chop out in Round 1. Do we want to risk Clark in the ruck? Watts played there a few times last year, but never at a centre bounce as far as I know. Dawes can't do it.

Might give Fitzy his chance.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Clark can take the forward 50 ruck contests.

 

[Blackas87]

B: Garland - Frawley - Terlich
HB: Toumpas - McDonald - Grimes
C: Watts - Trengove - Vince
HF: Howe - Dawes - Viney
F: Kent - Clark - Hogan
R: Jamar - Jones - Cross
Inter: Mckenzie - Blease - Tyson
S: Tapscott
Emerg: M Jones - Michie - Fitzpatrick

 

[Blackas87]

I would be happy for Clark to give Jamar a chop out, I don't see it being a risk either, if he's right to run on his foot he's right to run on it.

 

[Dory_77]

Got my Robert Walls hat on for a second; how about Howe in a couple of ruck contests? He goes up 3rd man a fair bit and has that huge leap. He could avoid serious body contact in centre bounces and just jump over whoever he's opposed to (unless it's NN) and around the ground just have someone solid hold their ruck down and Howe goes 3rd man up.




Okay I'll stop now. Seriously I think Clark should be able to play some ruck time to give Jamar a chop out. If he gives 5 minutes a quarter that should be enough to let Jamar/Gawn/Spencil rest. If we're worried about him getting hurt then we might as well not play him at all. If he's forward we want him crashing packs and trying to take marks, and we've already seen that's hardly risk free.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

T

FB: Garland Frawley Dunn/Strauss
HB: Grimes McDonald Terlich
C: Watts Tyson Vince
HF: Howe Clark Trengove
F: Blease Dawes Hogan
R: Gawn N Jones Viney
Int: Michie Fitzpatrick Toumpas
S: Kent

Fringe: Evans, McKenzie, M Jones, Strauss/Dunn, Tapscott

Depth: Pedersen, Magner, Clisby, Spencer, Taggert

Development: Draftees and Barry

I really like Kent, so he's probably interchangeable with Blease for that small forward position. I think he can make more of an impact as the sub than Blease though. Would be great to see Strauss in the best 22 but it'll depend on his preseason and early form next year you'd think. Hopefully Roos can get the most out of Tapscott too.

The midfield is so much stronger now. Watts, Tyson, Vince, Jones and Viney to start there, with Trengove, Blease, Strauss, Grimes, Michie, Kent and Toumpas also running through. Watts can go into defence and attack when needed, as can Fitzpatrick (while also backing up in the ruck).

this is spot on I reckon except I think kent plays a better full game than Blease and Blease has better impact as the sub. Blease needs to get to playing full games before the end of 2014, but he's not there yet.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Oh I forgot about cross. Would gave to start in centre instead of Tyson and would push Michie or Toumpy out of the side IMO. Or, push Michie into the sub and push Blease out.

 

[Headless]

B: Terlich - Frawley - Garland
HB: Grimes - McDonald - Toumpas
C: Watts - Cross - Vince
HF: Trengove - Clark - Howe
F: Hogan - Dawes - Kent
R: Jamar - Jones - Viney
I/C: Fitzpatrick - Tyson - Michie - Blease

E: Dunn - Gawn - McKenzie

 

[d33my]

Keep Clark away from the ruck at all costs. Running and contesting marks on his foot is different to contesting centre bounces. I'm no sports scientist but I imagine the impacts involved in rucking ain't no picnic.

 

[Dory_77]

Keep Clark away from the ruck at all costs. Running and contesting marks on his foot is different to contesting centre bounces. I'm no sports scientist but I imagine the impacts involved in rucking ain't no picnic.

The impacts wouldn't really be on his feet though. Jumping in the ruck and jumping for a mark would be the same on his foot. The impacts in the ruck would be more on his upper body from knees/arms/shoulders hitting him.

 

[SuburbanMe]

McKenzie isn't a good enough tagger to justify his pathetic football skills, he'd have to be Ryan Crowley for that to be the case.

uhhh - no way. Jordie is one of the better taggers in the league. His job is to stop his man gaining possessions and having an impact on the game, He's done that and more NUMEROUS times in the past. Playing a tagger role, you're mostly disposing of the ball via the hands anyway for the run on play. Unfortunately with our midfield being as it has been, the flow on run from us just hasn't been there, therefore no finishing. With the extra support from Vince, Cross, and Tyson - Jordie will flourish.

 

[Tulip]

Running on his foot and jumping on it are different though. I would be uneasy with Clark in the ruck for the first half of his year at least tbh.

 

[thetank]

Toumpas needs to be played and developed; the forward line is already a bit tall so Fitzpatrick is out. Dunn is not the greatest however he has a harder body and can be used in a negating role. Blease would have greatest effect as a sub. Clark to relieve whoever is the ruckman.

B: Terlich - Frawley - Garland
HB: Grimes - McDonald - Dunn
C: Watts - Cross - Vince
HF: Trengove - Clark - Howe
F: Hogan - Dawes - Kent
R: Jamar/Gawn - Jones - Viney
I/C: Tyson - Michie - Toumpas
Sub: Blease

 

[CTHORANGE]

Keep Clark away from the ruck at all costs. Running and contesting marks on his foot is different to contesting centre bounces. I'm no sports scientist but I imagine the impacts involved in rucking ain't no picnic.

Not so sure about this, he didn't hurt himself in the ruck and he didn't aggrevate the injury in the ruck, and I imagine impacts to the bottom of the foot coming from an opponent in a ruck contrest would be pretty rare. I'm more worried about him launching himself around like he was pre injury and hurting himself that way by landing heavily on it.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Running on his foot and jumping on it are different though. I would be uneasy with Clark in the ruck for the first half of his year at least tbh.

To be fair, him jumping at the ball in the forward line and him jumping at a ruck contest is no different.

It's probably less stress on the foot in a ruck contest because he can't reach the same speed before jumping/landing.

 

[SuburbanMe]

transferring weight upwards from a standing start provides more strain on ligaments and bone than doing the same thing whilst moving forward.

When you're moving forward, the kinetic energy takes away a heap of the impact. Same goes for landing too.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

transferring weight upwards from a standing start provides more strain on ligaments and bone than doing the same thing whilst moving forward.

When you're moving forward, the kinetic energy takes away a heap of the impact. Same goes for landing too.

Okay, you win.

 

[LeverPuller]

uhhh - no way. Jordie is one of the better taggers in the league. His job is to stop his man gaining possessions and having an impact on the game, He's done that and more NUMEROUS times in the past. Playing a tagger role, you're mostly disposing of the ball via the hands anyway for the run on play. Unfortunately with our midfield being as it has been, the flow on run from us just hasn't been there, therefore no finishing. With the extra support from Vince, Cross, and Tyson - Jordie will flourish.

Yeah. Jordie's smash-job on Ablett says to me that he plays.

Time to think about this I guess.

B: Dunn Frawley Clisby
HB: Terlich McDonald Garland
C: Vince Cross Tyson
HF: Howe Dawes Trengove
F: Clark Hogan Gawn
Fol: Jamar Jones Viney
Int: McKenzie Michie Watts (Toumpas)

The problem is I worry we're still too tall. Right now we're looking at cramming Watts, Clark, Hogan, Gawn, Dawes, Frawley, McDonald, Jamar and Garland all into the same side.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Yeah. Jordie's smash-job on Ablett says to me that he plays.

Time to think about this I guess.

B: Dunn Frawley Clisby
HB: Terlich McDonald Garland
C: Vince Cross Tyson
HF: Howe Dawes Trengove
F: Clark Hogan Gawn
Fol: Jamar Jones Viney
Int: McKenzie Michie Watts (Toumpas)

The problem is I worry we're still too tall. Right now we're looking at cramming Watts, Clark, Hogan, Gawn, Dawes, Frawley, McDonald, Jamar and Garland all into the same side.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Roos took Sydney to their first flag under his control, they were "too tall" as well right? By that I mean above the 'Normal' range. The size of the blokes we've gone after (IMO) are within that range that they can play both small and tall, but they have more battle hardened bodies.

I really do think Trenners is gonna struggle getting into the side this year, especially if he continues the form from this year. He needs to gain Size other wise he'll fall to the wayside as the new guys will overtake him. I know some of you guys will be thinking WTF - but think about it, he's already coming from behind with the last 2 seasons he's had, and he's now going to be competing for a spot against guys that will be slotting straight into our best 22. Same goes for Watts too.

 

[Dez!]

Yeah. Jordie's smash-job on Ablett says to me that he plays.

Can we please stop ignoring the massive help Colin Garland gave that game? Without Garland helping out around stoppages then Ablett would have obliterated McKenzie.

McKenzie is depth, nothing more.

 

[LeverPuller]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Roos took Sydney to their first flag under his control, they were "too tall" as well right? By that I mean above the 'Normal' range. The size of the blokes we've gone after (IMO) are within that range that they can play both small and tall, but they have more battle hardened bodies.I really do think Trenners is gonna struggle getting into the side this year, especially if he continues the form from this year.

Sydney Swans
B: 28 Jared Crouch 21 Leo Barry 30 Lewis Roberts-Thomson
HB: 4 Ben Mathews 6 Craig Bolton 17 Tadhg Kennelly
C: 26 Sean Dempster 37 Adam Goodes 32 Amon Buchanan
HF: 5 Ryan O'Keefe 1 Barry Hall (c) 24 Jude Bolton
F: 10 Paul Williams 19 Michael O'Loughlin 2 Nick Davis
Foll: 16 Darren Jolly 31 Brett Kirk 20 Luke Ablett
Int: 27 Jason Ball 42 Paul Bevan 13 Adam Schneider
12 Nic Fosdike

Depends on how you define 'tall'. I'll use 190+. In that, you've got Jolly, Hall, Goodes - although he's a total freak and can play anywhere, LRT, Craig Bolton, O'Loughlin, Ball and Kennelly. That's still only eight blokes.

Looking at the side I've suggested, there's already nine there, and that's missing Fitz and Spencil.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Can we please stop ignoring the massive help Colin Garland gave that game? Without Garland helping out around stoppages then Ablett would have obliterated McKenzie.

McKenzie is depth, nothing more.

BS. No-one takes ANYTHING away from Garland, but you are Certainly taking ALOT away from Jordie.

 

[Dez!]

BS. No-one takes ANYTHING away from Garland, but you are Certainly taking ALOT away from Jordie.

I'm not taking away anything, he's a decent tagger/tackler but he's absolutely horrible with ball in hand (kicking, handballing, decision making).

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Those Vince highlights on the website are quite promising, is exactly what we need. Can win the hardball and go outside and use it well.