Autopsy Round 10, 2017: Sydney vs Hawthorn

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S120 said:
I'm a little worried about Isaac Heeney too I must say. Last week he was being run down pretty regularly and looked off in terms of skill and last night he looked reeeeaally off until the last quarter when he had some crucial touches and clearances. Although even in the 4th, he was gifted his goals and he still made some awful skill errors.

I'm not sure what to make of it but I think there's something going on with him. Whether he's still having glandular remission issues or recovery issues, I have no idea. But he doesn't look like himself to me right now.
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I think the coaching is going on with him and a lott of our more skillful players. I just wonder how many skills drills our players do at training and if we have specialist skills coaches, excepting the goal kicking coach of the century, we have. Our skills are abysmal and even highly talented players are fluffing it. It seems when a player comes to the Swans his skills have to fall to our level.
 
Tedeski said:
Yep!
Let's gift them games. Aliir would have been torn to shreds last night. Dawson had his chance against a young Collingwood team. Failed miserably.

But let's rinse & repeat!

The Hawk youngsters did well because they have sufficient senior experienced players around them. Hodge was in their ears every second he could!
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Yeah so according to you we don't try a player twice. If that's the case A Goodes, Micky O, Kirky, Teddy, the list goes on would never have played more than one game. Stupid statement to make that Dawson had his chance. If you didn't notice we lost against that terrible young Collingwood side. Buckley outcoached Longmire. I don't think Dawson failed miserably. In fact again and again he provided options only to be ignored by our so called experienced players. Speaking of them, how good were they that day? ******* hopeless is what they were. Dawson had no structure to adhere to as our defence was being ripped apart and our mids were shite. At least the reserves have structure and flexibility. Unlike this mob we call the seniors. By the way young players are generally given more than one game Foote was and he was ten times more terrible than Dawson.

I think we have to play Dawson, Fox, fisher, Cameron, Aliir, Maibaum etc over the period of the year. If this means giving some of the old Crocs non existent injuries or removing them from the main list so be it. Our coaching is shite so they can't do any worse than the fools that are already playing who are incapable of changing structures onfield.
 

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Kirkswan said:
This...

You can play the blame game as much as you like, but all that happens is that you look remarkably like Richmond supporters.
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If your game style is exploited in 7 out of 10 games I'd say we have every right to complain. Our zone stinks. Longmire can't coach one on one footy. Our onfield leader don't have the capacity to change things and get our players to try something different, like one on one. Longmire can't coach skilled footballers, his game style relies too much on brute strength and brute fitness and not enough on skills. Sorry but you are wrong. No matter how many players we lost we should have been able to beat a half VFL Hawks.
 
db swannie said:
One thing that stuck out like dog's balls again last night at the ground was the fact that we allowed that fat slow geriatric Hodge to play the loose man at the back ALL *ingG NIGHT. Why? After 3 weeks of attacking footy with our forwards playing forward, they were sucked back downfield and into the congestion? Why? Reid was useless, because he was never in a position to be a weapon down front. I just don't get why they would let Hodge off the hook and allow him that spare man role? It pisses me off no end watching that sort of negative play.
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Reid was put as a loose man in defence. Then he was taking a tall with Rampe loose which told a story of it's own. He then got injured just after half time and played no further part in the game.
 
Wolftone said:
Yeah so according to you we don't try a player twice. If that's the case A Goodes, Micky O, Kirky, Teddy, the list goes on would never have played more than one game. Stupid statement to make that Dawson had his chance. If you didn't notice we lost against that terrible young Collingwood side. Buckley outcoached Longmire. I don't think Dawson failed miserably. In fact again and again he provided options only to be ignored by our so called experienced players. Speaking of them, how good were they that day? ******* hopeless is what they were. Dawson had no structure to adhere to as our defence was being ripped apart and our mids were shite. At least the reserves have structure and flexibility. Unlike this mob we call the seniors. By the way young players are generally given more than one game Foote was and he was ten times more terrible than Dawson.

I think we have to play Dawson, Fox, fisher, Cameron, Aliir, Maibaum etc over the period of the year. If this means giving some of the old Crocs non existent injuries or removing them from the main list so be it. Our coaching is shite so they can't do any worse than the fools that are already playing who are incapable of changing structures onfield.
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Yep that's it!
 
puke said:
Next time we play Hawks can someone please please smash Hodges head in. Smack smack and he'd go down like the proverbial. I'll end up smashing my TV otherwise. Just saying.....
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Actually he won't.

It is what they want us to do because they win at that.

This side used to be tough. We now get bullied. Consistently. And when we are bullied we do stupid things like Jones and Grundy or got to water like any number of games against Hawthorn or the dogs. GWS comes to mind as well.

We have not stood up for a number of years. It is why Buddy and Jones stand out. They actually have a crack. Rest, not so much, with apologies to some of the young ones who probably have it in them but have it coached out of them
 
mikey_san said:
Isn't Dawson too slow to be in the mids, and therefore the exact opposite of what we need? We can't have another one pace player to go with Kennedy, Parker, Mills, Hewett, Heeney, and whoever else we have there. You'd think someone like Edwards would be more the way to go. Has been in good form now he's back from injury....
I'm very disapointed Ronke has dropped off the face of the earth (rumored rib injury). He looked to be exactly they type we need.
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For a start there are horses for courses. Edwards usually plays on the wing not as an inside mid. If you balance up Hannas with Parker & Joey that is more than ok, two extractors and one quick. Heeney is not slow nor is Mills but they are not super quick either, a bit in between. Dawson is about their pace but is 191cm, about the same as Bont. That extra height is handy and he can take a very good grab.

Ronke is an unproven Rookie who has not even played a reserves game. If he has it would be only one. He got injured early and we haven't seen him since. Murray is a little like Lloydy but not as good on the disposal. Edwards would be a candidate for the wing, the outside runner like a Smith for Hawks. Fisher & Fox are both making a name for themselves in the reserves. Trouble is they are mostly on the Rookie list.

One thing we must do this week is get Aliir back into the team. Obviously our blokes played really well against the Suns reserves. I believe we set up better with him in the side. It looks like he might be coming in to play Ruck/forward. He was shifted there on Saturday after half time and kicked two. he didn't really have much to do down back as we were flogging them in general play by the sound of the Twitter feed. After all we won 16.24 to 4.8, 40 scoring shots to 12 tells the whole story there. Michael Talia was BOG according to the NEAFL site but then again who knows with their best players.
 
Tedeski said:
Yep that's it!
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Tedeski said:
Yep that's it!
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I continue to stew over Friday night and the inability of the Swans coaching staff to send the Swans onto the field without any direction that I could see. Some have (including me) noted the use of Rohan in the forward line. If he is going to be used there what is his impact in a defensive role. With his speed he should be a nightmare for opposing forwards by running them down much the same way as the speedster from Essendon (Tipper) does week after week.
In an attacking sense where is his lead up on the open side when Buddy leads to the ball down the flank. Surely one short kick to the middle instead of a long drive to Buddy is an option that is continually overlooked. The short kick to the middle leaves a leading forward on the wide open spaces on the other half forward licking his lips in anticipation. He has to be a better option at times as Rohan's speed would leave a defender floundering.
So we do not use him in either position continually and to this option I make the comparison with Dangerfield in the middle.
Crazy you think, well let's look at the two. Who is quicker, London to a brick on it's Rohan. Can he use a long penetrating kick (not always to a target)..yes he can.
Can he mark overhead, strong but maybe not as competent as Dangerfield, but in the midfield why does he need that especially at centre bounces. Can he tackle and hold strong in the tackle...too damn right. Please tell me if Selwood can get Dangerfield out in the open, surely, one with the same grunt called Kennedy could do the same to Rohan. Open field Buddy or Reid and even a committed Tippett has their opponents on the full defensive panic. Ball to the ground Swans do have positives in Papley and Hayward, both with football nous.
Let's now go back to the Hawthorn fiasco of the men who mind the middle for Hawthorn when defending, springing into action on turnover. Their number one rule, lead up where possible with the aim being to take the ball on the chest, never above their head especially in contested situation which they avoid totally. Ball in hand the Hawthorn midfielders then start their rotation of leads from the middle to the boundary.Easy then to push the kick to the boundary side where if you look closely the Swans marking up is deplorable. The first lead can be accepted in the circumstances, the following ones have absolutely no excuse for Swans who cannot see the next lead. All this when it has happened in every Hawthorn match since the 2014 GF fiasco.
In the man up situation when working from the half back flank offers no uncontested lead up for the Hawks, the other scenario is the quick get out across the half back line through Gibson and his henchmen to a now departed Brad Hill, often now Isaac Smith and onto generally unopposed Rioli, to Breust or Gunston. How easy that get out has once again been against an unaware ( how could that be) Swans forwards and flankers? How have Hill and Smith received the ball without opposition?
In an earlier post someone noted the lack of a skilled spot kicker apart from Lloyd and perhaps Zac Jones. In both the St Kilda and Nth Melb games Lloyd was able to spot quickly a Swan lurking the middle and then Hanneberry, Parker, Jones and also Papley (using his brain up the ground). I question that Lloyd should be expected to enact this continually and I also question why the use of two midfielders cannot open a free man for not only Lloyd but others to find him unattended. The importance clubs now place on closing the centre must surely mean all sorts of training exercises to break this territory congestion/protection.
No way through the centre, well the Swans are trying the magical trick of kicking from one pocket to the other, across goals. Two goals in the first quarter was the result of that folly. The back pocket exercise doesn't work, how about we give it the old up and under down to our ruckman who last marked the kick out when Winston Churchill was was still in short pants.
Finally back to our forwards. How about a saturation TV exercise of watching over and over, the efforts of Gunstan and Breust to understand what it takes to work in the forward line. Add a few videos of Toby Greene, yes he the one that more often than not builds his fantasy points to the 100 mark with sheer hard work, and perhaps we will not wonder if our forwards are not watching from the front seats behind the pickets!
Perhaps I will be called out for this...but a fit former captain, Adam Jack has been a big loss. He obviously played when not fit, however, I still believe his grunt has been a missing component and I am not prepared to write him off as a midfielder/forward.
Two others must be front and centre, Dawson for Towers and Robbie Fox who was impressive in the early games with an eye opening attack on the ball. He is a mature selection and like Papley ready to go. Give him the chance.
 
Wolftone said:
Yeah so according to you we don't try a player twice. If that's the case A Goodes, Micky O, Kirky, Teddy, the list goes on would never have played more than one game. Stupid statement to make that Dawson had his chance. If you didn't notice we lost against that terrible young Collingwood side. Buckley outcoached Longmire. I don't think Dawson failed miserably. In fact again and again he provided options only to be ignored by our so called experienced players. Speaking of them, how good were they that day? ******* hopeless is what they were. Dawson had no structure to adhere to as our defence was being ripped apart and our mids were shite. At least the reserves have structure and flexibility. Unlike this mob we call the seniors. By the way young players are generally given more than one game Foote was and he was ten times more terrible than Dawson.

I think we have to play Dawson, Fox, fisher, Cameron, Aliir, Maibaum etc over the period of the year. If this means giving some of the old Crocs non existent injuries or removing them from the main list so be it. Our coaching is shite so they can't do any worse than the fools that are already playing who are incapable of changing structures onfield.
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Careful you will be seen as ungreatful and negative
 
aussietomt said:
I continue to stew over Friday night and the inability of the Swans coaching staff to send the Swans onto the field without any direction that I could see. Some have (including me) noted the use of Rohan in the forward line. If he is going to be used there what is his impact in a defensive role. With his speed he should be a nightmare for opposing forwards by running them down much the same way as the speedster from Essendon (Tipper) does week after week.
In an attacking sense where is his lead up on the open side when Buddy leads to the ball down the flank. Surely one short kick to the middle instead of a long drive to Buddy is an option that is continually overlooked. The short kick to the middle leaves a leading forward on the wide open spaces on the other half forward licking his lips in anticipation. He has to be a better option at times as Rohan's speed would leave a defender floundering.
So we do not use him in either position continually and to this option I make the comparison with Dangerfield in the middle.
Crazy you think, well let's look at the two. Who is quicker, London to a brick on it's Rohan. Can he use a long penetrating kick (not always to a target)..yes he can.
Can he mark overhead, strong but maybe not as competent as Dangerfield, but in the midfield why does he need that especially at centre bounces. Can he tackle and hold strong in the tackle...too damn right. Please tell me if Selwood can get Dangerfield out in the open, surely, one with the same grunt called Kennedy could do the same to Rohan. Open field Buddy or Reid and even a committed Tippett has their opponents on the full defensive panic. Ball to the ground Swans do have positives in Papley and Hayward, both with football nous.
Let's now go back to the Hawthorn fiasco of the men who mind the middle for Hawthorn when defending, springing into action on turnover. Their number one rule, lead up where possible with the aim being to take the ball on the chest, never above their head especially in contested situation which they avoid totally. Ball in hand the Hawthorn midfielders then start their rotation of leads from the middle to the boundary.Easy then to push the kick to the boundary side where if you look closely the Swans marking up is deplorable. The first lead can be accepted in the circumstances, the following ones have absolutely no excuse for Swans who cannot see the next lead. All this when it has happened in every Hawthorn match since the 2014 GF fiasco.
In the man up situation when working from the half back flank offers no uncontested lead up for the Hawks, the other scenario is the quick get out across the half back line through Gibson and his henchmen to a now departed Brad Hill, often now Isaac Smith and onto generally unopposed Rioli, to Breust or Gunston. How easy that get out has once again been against an unaware ( how could that be) Swans forwards and flankers? How have Hill and Smith received the ball without opposition?
In an earlier post someone noted the lack of a skilled spot kicker apart from Lloyd and perhaps Zac Jones. In both the St Kilda and Nth Melb games Lloyd was able to spot quickly a Swan lurking the middle and then Hanneberry, Parker, Jones and also Papley (using his brain up the ground). I question that Lloyd should be expected to enact this continually and I also question why the use of two midfielders cannot open a free man for not only Lloyd but others to find him unattended. The importance clubs now place on closing the centre must surely mean all sorts of training exercises to break this territory congestion/protection.
No way through the centre, well the Swans are trying the magical trick of kicking from one pocket to the other, across goals. Two goals in the first quarter was the result of that folly. The back pocket exercise doesn't work, how about we give it the old up and under down to our ruckman who last marked the kick out when Winston Churchill was was still in short pants.
Finally back to our forwards. How about a saturation TV exercise of watching over and over, the efforts of Gunstan and Breust to understand what it takes to work in the forward line. Add a few videos of Toby Greene, yes he the one that more often than not builds his fantasy points to the 100 mark with sheer hard work, and perhaps we will not wonder if our forwards are not watching from the front seats behind the pickets!
Perhaps I will be called out for this...but a fit former captain, Adam Jack has been a big loss. He obviously played when not fit, however, I still believe his grunt has been a missing component and I am not prepared to write him off as a midfielder/forward.
Two others must be front and centre, Dawson for Towers and Robbie Fox who was impressive in the early games with an eye opening attack on the ball. He is a mature selection and like Papley ready to go. Give him the chance.
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Is that you Caesar? ................. Seriously, this post deserves a like for effort alone. I assume a spot kicker is the player who takes the kick out after a behind.
 
stevie26 said:
Is that you Caesar? ................. Seriously, this post deserves a like for effort alone. I assume a spot kicker is the player who takes the kick out after a behind.
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No, this is not Caesar!
The spot kicker is the player who can quickly sight a loose man and deliver it to him in such a way that he can respond by marking the disposal that is delivered by a quick dart off the boot...not overhead but always to his chest for safety.
 

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aussietomt said:
No, this is not Caesar!
The spot kicker is the player who can quickly sight a loose man and deliver it to him in such a way that he can respond by marking the disposal that is delivered by a quick dart off the boot...not overhead but always to his chest for safety.
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He can of course be the guy who kicks out but I am more interested in the player who can break open the centre.
 
aussietomt said:
I continue to stew over Friday night and the inability of the Swans coaching staff to send the Swans onto the field without any direction that I could see. Some have (including me) noted the use of Rohan in the forward line. If he is going to be used there what is his impact in a defensive role. With his speed he should be a nightmare for opposing forwards by running them down much the same way as the speedster from Essendon (Tipper) does week after week.
In an attacking sense where is his lead up on the open side when Buddy leads to the ball down the flank. Surely one short kick to the middle instead of a long drive to Buddy is an option that is continually overlooked. The short kick to the middle leaves a leading forward on the wide open spaces on the other half forward licking his lips in anticipation. He has to be a better option at times as Rohan's speed would leave a defender floundering.
So we do not use him in either position continually and to this option I make the comparison with Dangerfield in the middle.
Crazy you think, well let's look at the two. Who is quicker, London to a brick on it's Rohan. Can he use a long penetrating kick (not always to a target)..yes he can.
Can he mark overhead, strong but maybe not as competent as Dangerfield, but in the midfield why does he need that especially at centre bounces. Can he tackle and hold strong in the tackle...too damn right. Please tell me if Selwood can get Dangerfield out in the open, surely, one with the same grunt called Kennedy could do the same to Rohan. Open field Buddy or Reid and even a committed Tippett has their opponents on the full defensive panic. Ball to the ground Swans do have positives in Papley and Hayward, both with football nous.
Let's now go back to the Hawthorn fiasco of the men who mind the middle for Hawthorn when defending, springing into action on turnover. Their number one rule, lead up where possible with the aim being to take the ball on the chest, never above their head especially in contested situation which they avoid totally. Ball in hand the Hawthorn midfielders then start their rotation of leads from the middle to the boundary.Easy then to push the kick to the boundary side where if you look closely the Swans marking up is deplorable. The first lead can be accepted in the circumstances, the following ones have absolutely no excuse for Swans who cannot see the next lead. All this when it has happened in every Hawthorn match since the 2014 GF fiasco.
In the man up situation when working from the half back flank offers no uncontested lead up for the Hawks, the other scenario is the quick get out across the half back line through Gibson and his henchmen to a now departed Brad Hill, often now Isaac Smith and onto generally unopposed Rioli, to Breust or Gunston. How easy that get out has once again been against an unaware ( how could that be) Swans forwards and flankers? How have Hill and Smith received the ball without opposition?
In an earlier post someone noted the lack of a skilled spot kicker apart from Lloyd and perhaps Zac Jones. In both the St Kilda and Nth Melb games Lloyd was able to spot quickly a Swan lurking the middle and then Hanneberry, Parker, Jones and also Papley (using his brain up the ground). I question that Lloyd should be expected to enact this continually and I also question why the use of two midfielders cannot open a free man for not only Lloyd but others to find him unattended. The importance clubs now place on closing the centre must surely mean all sorts of training exercises to break this territory congestion/protection.
No way through the centre, well the Swans are trying the magical trick of kicking from one pocket to the other, across goals. Two goals in the first quarter was the result of that folly. The back pocket exercise doesn't work, how about we give it the old up and under down to our ruckman who last marked the kick out when Winston Churchill was was still in short pants.
Finally back to our forwards. How about a saturation TV exercise of watching over and over, the efforts of Gunstan and Breust to understand what it takes to work in the forward line. Add a few videos of Toby Greene, yes he the one that more often than not builds his fantasy points to the 100 mark with sheer hard work, and perhaps we will not wonder if our forwards are not watching from the front seats behind the pickets!
Perhaps I will be called out for this...but a fit former captain, Adam Jack has been a big loss. He obviously played when not fit, however, I still believe his grunt has been a missing component and I am not prepared to write him off as a midfielder/forward.
Two others must be front and centre, Dawson for Towers and Robbie Fox who was impressive in the early games with an eye opening attack on the ball. He is a mature selection and like Papley ready to go. Give him the chance.
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A+. Rohan could be great in any position yet won't be until they stop playing him as a swing man. Gets lost out there too easily I reckon
 
aussietomt said:
No, this is not Caesar!
The spot kicker is the player who can quickly sight a loose man and deliver it to him in such a way that he can respond by marking the disposal that is delivered by a quick dart off the boot...not overhead but always to his chest for safety.
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Just to explain... Caesar is well known on this board for his long and well thought out posts like yours.
 
The King! said:
Hate to say it, but we got the rub of the green big time watching the replay
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Couldn't bring myself to watch a replay. Reckon they got a few goals advantage from soft frees. Eg. Grundy and his opponent jostling at CHF. Burgoyne's paid one soft as butter right in front of goal. But we were s**t!
 
stevie26 said:
Couldn't bring myself to watch a replay. Reckon they got a few goals advantage from soft frees. Eg. Grundy and his opponent jostling at CHF. Burgoyne's paid one soft as butter right in front of goal. But we were s**t!
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The one that broke me was the one given against Towers for contact below the knees. He barely made contact, had his head over the ball, recovered the ball............

It was an extraordinary decision.
 
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