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Review Round 10, 2025 - Brisbane Lions vs. Narrm

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I'd actually prefer to do a Collingwood(2024) and miss finals altogether after a flag this season than stumble into finals and go straight out.

Reset, hit 2026 on the back of a full off season and cross fingers minimal post season 2025 surgeries.
There’s something in it for sure. Geelong too in 2023 sending players in for surgery right as the season finished before bouncing back (who would have won not for us stopping them).

Not saying we put the cue in the rack given we are sitting second with a lot of room for improvement, but it’s possible to find a silver lining if we were to miss given the draw would be easier and two years of Opening Round and a shorter break might mean we need to reset a little.
 
I disagree with your Charlie comments. My take is he can't get the balance right between going himself and handing off to team mates.

He'll give off when he was in the best position then take a shot when he isn't.

Same with attack v defence. He's been on the back line defending at the cost of attack.

That's fair.

I still think he needs some time in the twos though. Needs to get used to playing the role he's playing for the rest of the season. Can't think of a better way for him to do it.

I'd actually prefer to do a Collingwood(2024) and miss finals altogether after a flag this season than stumble into finals and go straight out.

Reset, hit 2026 on the back of a full off season and cross fingers minimal post season 2025 surgeries.

I wouldn't make any calls like this until a couple of weeks after the bye.

After the bye, we can either do what we did last year and kill it for an extended period, make finals and have some more time to rest, or we slump/start preparing for next year (play Gallop, Smith, Shagga, Marshall, Fletcher in their new/preferred positions).

I think we need to at least make a finals appearance, then see where we go from there.
 
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I think this squad is still capable of a prelim. Beyond that whatever happens on that day.

I'd like to maximize returns while Charlie, Neale, Zorko are still in there as we're likely to regress when they retire. This is until we find our feet again in midfield as well as in general leadership, who is the next "follow me boys" type voice that'll stand up amongst next gen etc.

There’s something in it for sure. Geelong too in 2023 sending players in for surgery right as the season finished before bouncing back (who would have won not for us stopping them).

Not saying we put the cue in the rack given we are sitting second with a lot of room for improvement, but it’s possible to find a silver lining if we were to miss given the draw would be easier and two years of Opening Round and a shorter break might mean we need to reset a little.

I wouldn't make any calls like this until a couple of weeks after the bye.

After the bye, we can either do what we did last year and kill it for an extended period, make finals and have some more time to rest, or we slump/start preparing for next year (play Gallop, Smith, Shagga, Marshall, Fletcher in their new/preferred positions).

I think we need to at least make a finals appearance, then see where we go from there.
For clarification I still think we are a huge chance of going back2back, just throwing up scenarios on a slothful Monday.
 
Re-quoted it for you as well. I don't see a "we have problems and playing terribly" in your reply anywhere. But I read it as more interested in having a condescending go than wanting to have a discussion. Either way, I'll leave that one here and move on. Each to our own.

Thank you for requoting it - it shows exactly where I said it

I acknowledged we’re having a ‘form crisis’ and quipped that at least it’s happening while we’re second on the ladder

It’s not a matter of differing interpretations, it’s an issue of literal comprehension on your part
 

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Brisbane v Narrm​

10 Max Gawn (MELB)
8 Jake Melksham (MELB)
6 Zac Bailey (BL)
3 Christian Petracca (MELB)
2 Jake Bowey (MELB)
1 Kysaiah Pickett (MELB)
 
I wonder if the boys subconsciously went into preservation mode more and more as the game went on last night?
Looking at the next 5 weeks in the lead up to the bye.
Just trying to look for answers as I am sure the whole club will be, to turn things around quickly, with a 6 day and 5 day break incoming.
 
That two week bracket against the saints and gold coast was us back to our best. Unfortunately, the fact that we regressed again tells you the team just doesn't want it this year. Because that collingwood game should have been a wake up call, and it was. but only for 2 weeks, then they went back to old habbits.
What does that say about last year same time then? :think:
Melbourne & North Melbourne both outplayed us in the midfield. Thats where we lost the game. Both Gawn & Xerri smashed us. It still astounds me that we kick the ball in Gawn's space so many times!!! :mad: Bloody frustrating.
 
I'd actually prefer to do a Collingwood(2024) and miss finals altogether after a flag this season than stumble into finals and go straight out.

Reset, hit 2026 on the back of a full off season and cross fingers minimal post season 2025 surgeries.

It's that time of the year. 51 weeks ago, I posted this (abbreviated for brevity):
This is a good piece from Gerard Wately, and aligned with what i hope we do for the remainder of the season:

I hope we take the bye to reframe the rest of the season. Acknowledge we’re struggling, put some serious time into finding out why. Try new things, take the pressure off wins and losses and use the second half of the season for real learning (rather than learning from our mistakes).
If players are playing with niggles, rest them, and certainly send for early surgery when it’s 100% we’re not making finals.
Let players who are struggling on the field have a break. Without a doubt there’s mental struggles after missing out on the GF by 4 points, and this is reflected on the field. The good news is losing sides in GF’s recently have bounced back after a bad year. We can do the same.
Continue to play young guys and give them proper blocks of time in the seniors to see if they really belong… but don’t throw them to the wolves!
If Charlie has lost a step, help him see how he can modify his playing style (and the teams playing style) to get the best out of his skills - and get confidence back in his kicking for goals.
...then we went on the win the flag. :) This time, we're 7-2-1, 13 games to go. Win 7 of our remaining 13 games, we'd be touch and go to make the top-4. I'm expecting we do better than 7-6 for the remainder of the season.


(I acknowledge your subsequent posts on the topic)
(I also acknowledge my own effort in finding my own posts from almost 12 months ago so I'm posting this regardless of whatever context you added after the initial post! :cool:).
 
What does that say about last year same time then? :think:
Melbourne & North Melbourne both outplayed us in the midfield. Thats where we lost the game. Both Gawn & Xerri smashed us. It still astounds me that we kick the ball in Gawn's space so many times!!! :mad: Bloody frustrating.

It was so obvious almost every time too. I could feel my hair turning grey watching the ball sail into Max's hands 🙃
 
What does that say about last year same time then? :think:
Melbourne & North Melbourne both outplayed us in the midfield. Thats where we lost the game. Both Gawn & Xerri smashed us. It still astounds me that we kick the ball in Gawn's space so many times!!! :mad: Bloody frustrating.
It quite possible that Gawn is the best big-man in the league, having a bit of a purple patch of the last few weeks. He knows how to position himself well and takes that mark time and time again against all opponents when players get tired. It's probably the same frustration oppo supporters feel when Harris is on and takes 8-10 intercept marks.

On the TV it's not possible to see why we don't go to the other wing, but I assume it's because it leaves the field open for rebound, so we do the safe thing and head to the line. The only other alternative we see is a short kick in the 50, which makes everyone nervous as hell.
 
Ha ha.

You're the best.

He played a great game today ,the best he's played in a while and showed composure under pressure that was lacking in many of our other players. And his experience was a telling factor.

He's been praised.

Now , would you like to be brave enough to say you were wrong and apologise ( to whom who would know ) for all the times circumstances have proven you wrong.

Btw . Any thoughts apart from that on our effort today ?
So maybe some will leave him alone instead is saying things like: "the game has gone past him". I find that dis-respectful but thats just me. I dont really like potting our players like that anytime.

Yes, I apologise for all the times I have been wrong in the past and all the times I will be wrong in the future as well. ;)

Once again, we weere smashed in the midfield. Both Ashcrofts need to run both ways instead of just in attack. Dunkley worked his butt off once again but it sticks out like dog's balls that Lachie & Berry are the only others who work hard in attack as well as defence...we miss Berry significantly and happy to see him back this week. Hope someone has a chat to Hughie, Bailey & Rayner this week about just that also.

Dont like Hippy in the ruck much. Definately weakens our potentcy when he is not a playing forward or bringing the ball into our forward line. Just shows how important both Bezza & Hippy are for us in the 22. Day can't come back quick enough for me.

We get our midfiled back firing like we know they can and we will quickly get back on the winners list. BF supporters will stop with the negative chat and switch over to praising our team in an instant.
 
My frustration isn't that we lost to a 'low' team - any team can win in the day.

It's the frustration of not capitalizing when we have momentum. We draw ahead then seem to let that lead disappear and keep a ~2 goal lead until we pack up in the 4th.

To be fair we lost the 4th quarter off the gf. Maybe that's out thing and opposition expect and exploit it.
 

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A few copping their right whack after some ho hum performances, but Rayner is right out sorts. I’m not sure if he’s carrying something, but for a milestone game it was a disappointing showing. As we know, if he shows up we look a far better side.

Not sure what Fages has in store to restore his form and confidence, but I hope it’s implemented soon.
 
We were given a hiding in the middle and really showed our ruck deficiencies, despite Fort's best efforts. Answerth reverted to the form that saw him relegated and might well again. Cam had what might politely be termed a quiet one.

It only takes a few at this level to be caught short.
 
So maybe some will leave him alone instead is saying things like: "the game has gone past him". I find that dis-respectful but thats just me. I dont really like potting our players like that anytime.

Yes, I apologise for all the times I have been wrong in the past and all the times I will be wrong in the future as well. ;)

Once again, we weere smashed in the midfield. Both Ashcrofts need to run both ways instead of just in attack. Dunkley worked his butt off once again but it sticks out like dog's balls that Lachie & Berry are the only others who work hard in attack as well as defence...we miss Berry significantly and happy to see him back this week. Hope someone has a chat to Hughie, Bailey & Rayner this week about just that also.

Dont like Hippy in the ruck much. Definately weakens our potentcy when he is not a playing forward or bringing the ball into our forward line. Just shows how important both Bezza & Hippy are for us in the 22. Day can't come back quick enough for me.

We get our midfiled back firing like we know they can and we will quickly get back on the winners list. BF supporters will stop with the negative chat and switch over to praising our team in an instant.
It's only natural isn't it. When you're winning you take all the positives and hope it happens every week. When you're losing you're always looking for reasons why.

A few of us here have been circumspect about or performances this year recognising that we weren't actually going all that hot despite being on top of the ladder. The last 2 weeks certainly weren't any surprise.

And I agree with the points you made and most posters on this thread have made similar observations . I'm sure we know why we've underperformed the last 2 weeks but as Fagan has said it's a tough competition and anyone can get you if you're not on your game.

We're still in a good position to contend this year provided the team performs near where they're capable and no doubt that'll be the focus of the coaches this week and beyond.

Berry and Starcevich back is something that would straighten us up quite a bit.
 
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I'll give us 2 games. If we don't win the hawthorn game, and the one after that, then i would start thinking about next season, perhaps even long term. I'm not talking about a rebuild, but i'm talking about working on a gamestyle and a core group of players who will carry us forward in the next 5 years, kind of like what Geelong does every 2-3 years. We were absolutely awful last season, but we all know what turned everything around. The players confronted each other and they became hungry to win the flag. We lost it after the 2023 GF and had to find it again. And i'm pretty sure it happened this time last season as well, if not a little bit earlier. I'm sure the players had the same discussion after the collingwood game a month ago, but it seems like they lost it again. And I'm sure they will have the same discussions again after this one.

If we show absolutely no response from this, it means the players simply don't want the flag this season. You can do whatever tactical changes you like, but a pressure rating of 118 in the final term tells me the players don't want the flag. And if the players aren't playing like they want to win it all, then time is only being wasted here. This isn't a blight on Fagan, even though i think he has his flaws, Fagan simply won't be able to do anything if the players aren't fighting for him, like they did last season. I think the next 2-3 weeks will tell us everything. If we can out strong again, then there's hope. However, if we lose the next 2 games, then it seems the players simply don't want it. You're not going to turn a season around after multiple failed pep talks. It only happened once last year, and it worked. It seems like it already failed once this year, but let's see if it will fail again.
 
A few copping their right whack after some ho hum performances, but Rayner is right out sorts. I’m not sure if he’s carrying something, but for a milestone game it was a disappointing showing. As we know, if he shows up we look a far better side.

Not sure what Fages has in store to restore his form and confidence, but I hope it’s implemented soon.
He really did try to impose himself physically on several occasions but for whatever reason it never had any impact.

I'm still not sure we have the key to him yet but the effort seemed to be there on occasions yesterday and he's just one of those players that you need in your team but you never know when he's going to turn it on. The way he plays isn't easy to keep replicating successfully ,maybe just get him to do the basics more often and the game changing plays will come when they come.

He's worked hard on his tackling and that's now a weapon when he's in the game often enough to use it.
 
I'll give us 2 games. If we don't win the hawthorn game, and the one after that, then i would start thinking about next season, perhaps even long term. I'm not talking about a rebuild, but i'm talking about working on a gamestyle and a core group of players who will carry us forward in the next 5 years, kind of like what Geelong does every 2-3 years. We were absolutely awful last season, but we all know what turned everything around. The players confronted each other and they became hungry to win the flag. We lost it after the 2023 GF and had to find it again. And i'm pretty sure it happened this time last season as well, if not a little bit earlier. I'm sure the players had the same discussion after the collingwood game a month ago, but it seems like they lost it again. And I'm sure they will have the same discussions again after this one.

If we show absolutely no response from this, it means the players simply don't want the flag this season. You can do whatever tactical changes you like, but a pressure rating of 118 in the final term tells me the players don't want the flag. And if the players aren't playing like they want to win it all, then time is only being wasted here. This isn't a blight on Fagan, even though i think he has his flaws, Fagan simply won't be able to do anything if the players aren't fighting for him, like they did last season. I think the next 2-3 weeks will tell us everything. If we can out strong again, then there's hope. However, if we lose the next 2 games, then it seems the players simply don't want it. You're not going to turn a season around after multiple failed pep talks. It only happened once last year, and it worked. It seems like it already failed once this year, but let's see if it will fail again.
I reckon we're playing like crap for periods of games and I'm not overly optimistic tbh but we're still a contender in this season if the guys want it badly enough even if we bomb out in the next 2 games .
 

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I reckon we're playing like crap for periods of games and I'm not overly optimistic tbh but we're still a contender in this season if the guys want it badly enough even if we bomb out in the next 2 games .
you have to find the cause of the issue though. We have the most talented list in the league (i believe) and we won the flag last year, so we're obviously capable of being the best team in the comp. But skills and having the right gameplan means nothing if the players aren't hungry for it. And they simply aren't, and if Fagan can't make them hungry quickly, then it will tell us what kind of season we will have.
 
It's that time of the year. 51 weeks ago, I posted this (abbreviated for brevity):

...then we went on the win the flag. :) This time, we're 7-2-1, 13 games to go. Win 7 of our remaining 13 games, we'd be touch and go to make the top-4. I'm expecting we do better than 7-6 for the remainder of the season.


(I acknowledge your subsequent posts on the topic)
(I also acknowledge my own effort in finding my own posts from almost 12 months ago so I'm posting this regardless of whatever context you added after the initial post! :cool:).
Articles like this reinforce my belief that fans and media pundits continue to underestimate the level of competitiveness everyone at an AFL club has across the board. Someone like Fages would throw up in their mouths if someone suggested ‘looking to next year’ after round 11
 
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He really did try to impose himself physically on several occasions but for whatever reason it never had any impact.

I'm still not sure we have the key to him yet but the effort seemed to be there on occasions yesterday and he's just one of those players that you need in your team but you never know when he's going to turn it on. The way he plays isn't easy to keep replicating successfully ,maybe just get him to do the basics more often and the game changing plays will come when they come.

He's worked hard on his tackling and that's now a weapon when he's in the game often enough to use it.
Good points, for sure. I have liked the consistent physicality he has brought.

I agree that we are not quite sure where we can get the most, or best, out of him. I half wondered if that’s why Fagan gave him that stint down back a couple of years back as a way to get the ball in his hands, and a bit of touch and confidence early so he felt engaged in the game. Not sure what the answer is, but hope he’s back firing soon.
 
Articles like this reinforce by belief that fans and media pundits continue to underestimate the level of competitiveness everyone at an AFL club has across the board. Someone like Fages would throw up in their mouths if someone suggested ‘looking to next year’ after round 11
Absolutely - within the club you keep going until it's mathematically impossible to win a premiership.
At least the talking heads have dropped the whole "you can't win the GF from outside the top-4", and "if you go 0-3 you're not making finals".
(or I believe they have, I don't watch any of the footy shows!).
 
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McKenna's 1 kick had a higher rating than these guys lol
 

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