Toast Round 10 = Carlton 57-85 Collingwood

[Apex36]

I really wish people would stop dismissing players like this with such ease

Like, I'm not sure how Frampton hasn't shown everyone what a player can become in our environment?

I honestly prefer to see the best a player has produced (even if only for one game) and then back our environment to get that (or close to it) on a consistent basis. It's why I still wish we got Weideman from Melbourne. Even now.

History is littered with players who were destined for the scrap heap and seen as having no value, only to arrive in an environment that clicks with them, given a role that suits them and they become a revelation.

We've all seen De Koning play some pretty damn good football and I'd like to believe that at Collingwood, he's a better chance of reaching his potential than he is at Carlton. I personally suspect he's already told Carlton he's leaving (probably for bloody Geelong) which is why he's playing in the VFL. Because given how bad Carlton are playing, I doubt he could be much worse than some of what's been running around in the seniors.

Look, I understand your sentiment of how our environment might get the best out of a player, but Weideman was playing under one of, if not the best development coach in the league in Mark Williams while at Melbourne and showed nothing. He’s playing at a club now that took Wright from a GC reject to being a 50 goal key forward and B&F winner, and he’s still showing nothing.
Some players are a lost cause. Weideman is one of them, as is our own Will Kelly.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Correct. Everyone keeps banging on about how s**t hot the list is. If it were that good than their 2's would be undefeated in the VFL. They're sitting 14th.

Not to mention their VFL side were recently beaten by the AFL Academy side..

 

[Stripes B and W]

2nd most overrated player on that list after Jack Silvagni.

I'll raise you Williams, Martin, Gov, Fisher, Marchbank,Dow, Plowman and O'Brien and thats even the extent of it. It's the exact reason they are in the position they are in.

 

[Bianconeri]

It was designed to open the game up from congestion and prevent soft tissue injuries. It's done the former but i'm not quite sure on the latter.

I’m not sure it’s done the former, the game looks as congested as ever.

 

[cityslick1]

He does have 3 premierships more than Nathan to his name

But one less norm smith, and 2x less AA’s… in the most souped up side ever

 

[left at home]

Could "they toyed with us!!!!" become the new "right in front of me!"??

A serious good rant, l heard it live, laughed so much
Ah Carlton please never change

 

[Finnishpie]

A serious good rant, l heard it live, laughed so much
Ah Carlton please never change

I love it. The entitlement! The sense of betrayal.

 

[Finnishpie]

Look, I understand your sentiment of how our environment might get the best out of a player, but Weideman was playing under one of, if not the best development coach in the league in Mark Williams while at Melbourne and showed nothing. He’s playing at a club now that took Wright from a GC reject to being a 50 goal key forward and B&F winner, and he’s still showing nothing.
Some players are a lost cause. Weideman is one of them, as is our own Will Kelly.

Hey, we're gonna unleash Kelly on prelim final day.....!

 

[Big Bryza]

I’m not sure it’s done the former, the game looks as congested as ever.

Go watch a game from 6-7 years ago. It's opened up a lot more than the scrum era.

 

[Black_White]

Proof it was 26 vs 22 last weekend.
Clearly too high, yet no whistle.
Bloody scumpires…..

 

[HeathySure]

Proof it was 26 vs 22 last weekend.
Clearly too high, yet no whistle.
Bloody scumpires…..

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not sure if serious....

 

[Black_White]

not sure if serious....

That you even have to ask gives me great insight.

 

[nahnah]

Proof it was 26 vs 22 last weekend.
Clearly too high, yet no whistle.
Bloody scumpires…..

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There was a game vs the swans in like 08 or 09 where the swans actually got a high free for this against us

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

not sure if serious....

Clearly De Goey thought it was an intra club match because of the lack of intensity

 

[Mollythedolly]

Proof it was 26 vs 22 last weekend.
Clearly too high, yet no whistle.
Bloody scumpires…..

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You do realize it’s DeGoey that’s tackled Hill high right?

 

[Big Bryza]

You do realize it’s DeGoey that’s tackled Hill high right?

Taylor Adams

 

[sr36]

I'm talking as a coach. Just catching the replay. Vossy is sitting in the box with the most helpless look on his face the entire game. He's so far out of his depth as a coach. At least Nathan took us to a GF and was an umpiring decision away from being a Premiership Coach.

Is the helpless look worse than Bucks's post game press conferences from 2015-2017 when he just read out stats and talked about being nutted in the contest.

 

[sr36]

I'll raise you Williams, Martin, Gov, Fisher, Marchbank,Dow, Plowman and O'Brien and thats even the extent of it. It's the exact reason they are in the position they are in.

Did Zach Williams die? I can't remember the last time I saw him play. He's not overrated though - seriously good player.

 

[NMBB]

Is the helpless look worse than Bucks's post game press conferences from 2015-2017 when he just read out stats and talked about being nutted in the contest.

And........ "losing our shape"

 

[Stripes B and W]

Did Zach Williams die? I can't remember the last time I saw him play. He's not overrated though - seriously good player.

Last time i really noticed him was THAT prelim final. Over paid for output at the Blues, big time.

 

[gerryg400]

Did Zach Williams die? I can't remember the last time I saw him play. He's not overrated though - seriously good player.

ACL I think.

 

[SquirrelGrrripp]

You do realize it’s DeGoey that’s tackled Hill high right?

He knows, it’s kinda the point…

Not a crack at you by the way!


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[JuniorB]

He knows, it’s kinda the point…

Not a crack at you by the way!


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It would have been a hoot if Tay had got a free kick out of it!

 

[SquirrelGrrripp]

It would have been a hoot if Tay had got a free kick out of it!

Would be odds on it would be construed as a holding the ball decision and a free kick to the blues!


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