Autopsy Round 11, 2022: St.Kilda v North Melbourne

[SaintsSeptember]

That's fine, whatever, the point is that he is a long way from being dropped- which is what I was originally replying to

Yeah he shouldn't be dropped.
He had only 14 disposals, but a massive 8 of those were contested, and he set up some scores.

I guess the only issue is we are starting to accumulate a lot of these pressure players, and in the end you don't win the game on the back of how many tackles you win.

 

[bird_man]

maybe one of the tenth picked.

Someone's grumpy

 

[SaintsSeptember]

its kind of interesting all these players lifting this year.
Is it because of something the coaches are doing, or are they feeling the pressure to keep their jobs due to new talent?

 

[Premium]

One of the first picked?

Lets see.

Midfield. Gresham, Jones, Crouch.
Forward. King, Membrey.
Back . Battle, Wilkie, Howard, Sinclair.
Rucks etc etc
......
so after all the other first picked, yeah Long would be the first picked.

fanboi's drive me crazy sometimes.

The only thing going for Long is he can play back and forward , but when Butler and Higgins come back he might find it hard to keep his place unless Paton or Webster get a injury.
Long did have a good game today so he would be safe I think for the next game.

 

[tomjoad]

NWM kept the physio and massage trainer busy a few times when he came off for rotations.

The bye coming at the right time for a few players I reckon.

 

[tomjoad]

Seb Ross is having a great season, possibly his best. Good to see a player get the most of themselves. He'd have to be top 3 for the B&F this year with the way he's gone about it.
Sinclair, Crouch, Seb, Wilkie, then a mix between Hill, Steele Gresh...and Ryder. King and Higgo probably amongst it too.

 

[Premium]

its kind of interesting all these players lifting this year.
Is it because of something the coaches are doing, or are they feeling the pressure to keep their jobs due to new talent?

Hard to say , fitness could be a big factor and the reality that there career was not looking great with Long , Ross and Battle all being touted as being used as trade bait.
Now having players in reserve is now forcing the players to show there best or they are at Sandringham.

 

[t_94]

its kind of interesting all these players lifting this year.
Is it because of something the coaches are doing, or are they feeling the pressure to keep their jobs due to new talent?

I think fans probably overstate how many players are happy to ‘collect a pay cheque’. Yes, there are some players like that, but the reality is AFL is seriously cut throat. I’d be willing to bet a player underperforming is much more often due to them placing excess pressure on themselves (I.e. caring too much), rather than not caring enough.

Would say the coaching group have found the right balance in working them hard during training, but creating an environment where they don’t fret their mistakes and go in to their shells on game day.

 

[Armoooo]

If we had the wrong injuries , and we needed someone tough as nails, with the ability to rise to the occasion, i'd be happy as a pig in s**t to have Geary available and in form.

Injuries to Webster and Paton and he's back in. Wouldn't be ideal, but you know he'd leave nothing on the park.

 

[Premium]

Seb Ross is having a great season, possibly his best. Good to see a player get the most of themselves. He'd have to be top 3 for the B&F this year with the way he's gone about it.
Sinclair, Crouch, Seb, Wilkie, then a mix between Hill, Steele Gresh...and Ryder. King and Higgo probably amongst it too.

Ross has improved his disposal out of sight , which was his biggest floor.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The only thing going for Long is he can play back and forward , but when Butler and Higgins come back he might find it hard to keep his place unless Paton or Webster get a injury.
Long did have a good game today so he would be safe I think for the next game.

Paton, and he's against Geary, but i think i'd go with Long.
Webster and i'd be tempted to go with Leo, or bring in Highmore, and give Wilkie the Webster role.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think fans probably overstate how many players are happy to ‘collect a pay cheque’ yea there are some players like that, but the reality is AFL is seriously cut throat. I’d be willing to bet a player underperforming is much more often to them placing excess pressure on themselves (I.e. caring too much), rather than not caring enough.

Would say the coaching group have found the right balance in working them hard during training, but creating an environment where they don’t fret their mistakes and go in to their shells on game day.

I really hope that they don't fret when dropped to the reserves because, especially for the younger players , i think its a really good way to get back in touch with the ball, and to realise they can be the ones to win a game.

 

[SaintersUnite]

I’d probably bring in:
Butler, Higgins, and Clark for
Sharman, Windhager and Paton.

Move Long back to Paton’s spot who probably needs to gain some confidence with his disposal. Windhager stiff but is probably due for a rest and a stint at Sandy to dominate.


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[#gosaintas]

Paton should be dropped. Way out of form

 

[Longmembrey]

I have no idea how they work these out but interesting results:

 

[Mowman]

Paton, and he's against Geary, but i think i'd go with Long.
Webster and i'd be tempted to go with Leo, or bring in Highmore, and give Wilkie the Webster role.

Wilkie in AA form and you want to change his role ?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Wilkie in AA form and you want to change his role ?

Exactly, i think he's capable of working up the wing and rebounding a lot more. Highmore perfectly capable of the lockdown role.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I have no idea how they work these out but interesting results:

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That's interesting, it suggests that the top 5 players more or less levelled out , but from there down our team were just better.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I really did not enjoy that game.

I went.

We won.

I enjoyed.

#simpleequation

 

[Mowman]

Exactly, i think he's capable of working up the wing and rebounding a lot more. Highmore perfectly capable of the lockdown role.

Wilkie much better suited to the role he is playing and Highmore is a defender that will leave his man to intercept mark not a lockdown defender, that is last thing you would want Highmore doing

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Wilkie much better suited to the role he is playing and Highmore is a defender that will leave his man to intercept mark not a lockdown defender, that is last thing you would want Highmore doing

Highmore is good at the intercept mark, not as good in the rebound as Wilkie IMO.. Even today we saw Wilkie work his way up the wing. He has a lot more strings to his bow.

Either way , i think if we brought Highmore in, between him and Wilkie, could cover the loss of Paton.

 

[Armoooo]

I have no idea how they work these out but interesting results:

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Gresh and Sinclair being shown no respect here.

They're seriously going to try and tell me North had 5 better players than them today?

 

[ScrappyDo]

If we're dropping a defender its Webster. Not sure where the talk ok Pato comes from but it's BS. We know how good he is and you keep playing him till he gets his mojo back.

 

[CursingFijian]

Disagree - if the young guns get us into the finals - we need to be realistic and drop them and bring in the experience of Kent and
Geary, etc to get us over the line.

Naz says you can show yourself to the door, it's that way!

 

[Mowman]

If we're dropping a defender its Webster. Not sure where the talk ok Pato comes from but it's BS. We know how good he is and you keep playing him till he gets his mojo back.

Pato was ok to good today
He is not far off