Autopsy Round 11, 2024: Positives and Negatives vs Kuwarna

[ioppolo]

Between 1st and last that's 790m
Not a whole lot.
This also doesn't say how effective that running is. I mean Gaff clocks up the Km's ...

790m per player can add up though.

 

[Astro7]

Not sure if posted, or if needs reading, but another view of THAT game...

R11 - Adelaide v West Coast - The Mongrel Review - The Mongrel Punt

The Crows narrowly missed a triple-digit win against the Eagles in Round 11, notching a 99-point victory. Sam Field has all the details

themongrelpunt.com

 

[Wettoaster]

Couldn't for the life of me, figure out why the Adelaide crowd where booing Harley???

The Shuey shrug free kicks, fairly obvious I thought

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[Hoskin300]

Why wouldn't he be?

We paid more for him than we got for Judd.
3 first round picks iirc and all for another flag possibly.

What talent could we have picked up in 20-21 with those picks?
Someone mentioned Warner but who knows how they would be performing.
One thing is for sure is they would be 3 years into a career with possibly 50 games experience and we would have 3 players to select from instead of 1 tim Kelly who turn
s the ball over and goes missing when we are losing.

That's ok though, hindsight is wonderful and we could have won the flag with him if covid didn't hit.

It is however relevant to the discussion.

Anyone who says we gave up more for Kelly than we got for Judd have no idea how draft picks work. Two picks in the top 5 are significantly better than four picks from 15-35.

Actually look at the mids that get drafted in that range. The amount of them that end up being A grade is quite low. There’s a reason why we didn’t even consider trading three picks in the teens for read. Out of the four we might get one A grader and likely two busts. We might have got 50 games overall out of those players playing a poor level. Instead we have had a decent quality mid for four years playing 80 games.

Also Kelly has been rated as one of the most clutch players in the AFL by champion data so wrong on him going missing.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Curious, cbf verifying that but I assume he's gone off total team "kms travelled" from the Tracker tab of the AFL app?

Not that I look at the team totals too highly, but I do glance at them from time to time to check sprint efforts and I don't recall any major discrepancies in total kms covered in our games.

**** it here goes, our kms vs the opponents:

Rd 1 - Loss vs Port
265 vs 259 = +7 kms
+29 sprints
+14 repeat sprints

Rd 2 - Loss vs GWS
277 vs 282 = -5 kms
-25 sprints
+3 repeat sprints

Rd 3 - Loss vs Dogs
255 vs 257 = +2 kms
-31 sprints
-19 repeat sprints

Rd 4 - Loss vs Swans
291 vs 285 = +6 kms
-20 sprints
-6 repeat sprints

Rd 5 - Win vs Tigers
277 vs 272 = +5 kms
-30 sprints
-10 repeat sprints

Rd 6 - Win vs Freo
268 vs 260 = +8 kms
+27 sprints
+4 repeat sprints

Rd 7 - Loss vs Suns
273 vs 278 = -5 kms
-22 sprints
-7 repeat sprints

Rd 8 - Loss vs Bombers
283 vs 282 = +1 km
+18 sprints
+5 repeat sprints

Rd 9 - Loss vs Pies
240 vs 257 = -17 kms
-39 sprints
-2 repeat sprints

Rd 10 - Win vs Demons
275 vs 272 = +3 kms
+9 sprints
+8 repeat sprints

Rd 11 - Loss vs Adelaide
282 vs 283 = -1 km
+18 sprints
+6 repeat sprints


So in our 8 losses, 4 we've covered more distance than the opponent and 1 of those we only covered 1 less km (vs Adelaide).

In our 3 wins we've covered more distance than our opponents as a team, but one of those is +1 km so basically even over 22 players.

Our win vs Tigers we got smashed in sprints and repeat sprints.

Port and Adelaide we beat in sprint efforts but lost both games comfortably.

7 out of 11 rounds we've covered more distance than our opponents.

Biggest negative discrepancy comes from the Collingwood game.

Brilliant. The eye test from that game would back that up also. I'll be honest and thought the Crows game would be worse

Thanks for the analysis.

 

[wce4premiership]

Brilliant. The eye test from that game would back that up also. I'll be honest and thought the Crows game would be worse

Thanks for the analysis.

Yes I wasn't surprised about the Collingwood game and I thought the Crows game would be similar.

The Crows ball use was very good and this made everything look even worse. Some of the kicks couldn't be defended. Still though, whatever we were doing was not good enough.

 

[Rowan18]

We weren’t serious about winning.

Appears little thought was given about the game and the opposition from beginning to end. These are coaching failures.

Began with team selection. Fogarty and Walker always own us and they were playing a couple of third talls as well.
Instead of selecting Edwards who has the height and size to go with someone like Walker or Fogarty we choose useless Rotham and Witherden who are not third talls. Or we assume Hough can do the job which he can’t. He may have put on some weight but he’s a twig on someone like Walker and even Curnow. He’s a tall small not a third tall.

In the first quarter the players were affected by the sun. Preparing for this is again coaching.

Then we had no plan for O’Brien and Adelaide’s game style. We didn’t have a plan A, let alone plan B and C and D.

Sheed out there is pathetic. He’s so far off the pace it’s embarrassing for the player summed up by his running into the back of an opponent at the end and busting his nose. What has Simpson got against Trew, at least the guy can play and is relatively fit. Same old credits crew, it’s just yuk.

I could go on but will stop here.

It was poor all around, players and coaches. Simmo said on Channel 7 last night that Sheed was tagging Crouch in the first quarter. Not only did Crouch still have 8 touches but everyone knows that Dawson is the key to their midfield. Shocking.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

It was poor all around, players and coaches. Simmo said on Channel 7 last night that Sheed was tagging Crouch in the first quarter. Not only did Crouch still have 8 touches but everyone knows that Dawson is the key to their midfield. Shocking.

Yeah, this looks pretty bad in retrospect.

On the flip side I can see the challenges with tagging Dawson. He was playing mid, back, forward all over the ground. Dawsons ability to play everywhere makes him very difficult to tag.

 

[RookiePick]

Yeah, this looks pretty bad in retrospect.

On the flip side I can see the challenges with tagging Dawson. He was playing mid, back, forward all over the ground. Dawsons ability to play everywhere makes him very difficult to tag.

Dawson is a ripper. I tried to think of someone of similar type and came up blank. Maybe Embers but Dawson seems to have a much stronger contested game up his sleeve.

 

[Bender_]

Dawson is a ripper. I tried to think of someone of similar type and came up blank. Maybe Embers but Dawson seems to have a much stronger contested game up his sleeve.

So versatile with an elite kick, would be the one player I would choose to poach.

 

[Smotie2]

Anyone who says we gave up more for Kelly than we got for Judd have no idea how draft picks work. Two picks in the top 5 are significantly better than four picks from 15-35.

Actually look at the mids that get drafted in that range. The amount of them that end up being A grade is quite low. There’s a reason why we didn’t even consider trading three picks in the teens for read. Out of the four we might get one A grader and likely two busts. We might have got 50 games overall out of those players playing a poor level. Instead we have had a decent quality mid for four years playing 80 games.

Also Kelly has been rated as one of the most clutch players in the AFL by champion data so wrong on him going missing.

Where was he on Sunday?
Absolutely butchered the ball and selfishness.
But all good champion data said he was bog

 

[twce13]

It was poor all around, players and coaches. Simmo said on Channel 7 last night that Sheed was tagging Crouch in the first quarter. Not only did Crouch still have 8 touches but everyone knows that Dawson is the key to their midfield. Shocking.

Lol why on earth would you tag crouch?
Is he gonna cut us up with his butcher kicks?

This just looks like giving a role to sheed that he can succeed in, even if that role doesnt really help us win. Plodder on plodder, except thier plodder is better.

Gotta get dom out of the team.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Dawson is a ripper. I tried to think of someone of similar type and came up blank. Maybe Embers but Dawson seems to have a much stronger contested game up his sleeve.

Duggan in his presser just said Crows flexibility with their roles made it hard. Pretty sure he was talking about Dawson.

No point in Sheed tagging Dawson if Dawson then takes him to the goal square or deep forward.

Can see the logic behind it.

 

[Rowan18]

Duggan in his presser just said Crows flexibility with their roles made it hard. Pretty sure he was talking about Dawson.

No point in Sheed tagging Dawson if Dawson then takes him to the goal square or deep forward.

Can see the logic behind it.

That's fine, but that would mean we don't tag. Put Yeo H2H with Dawson and get him to clamp down if he got off the chain (which happened). Yeo is happy defending, can win a hard ball in the middle and hurt you then other way.

 

[Schmedit]

Where was he on Sunday?
Absolutely butchered the ball and selfishness.
But all good champion data said he was bog

Do you have any input other than Kelly is terrible and we gave up to much for him?

 

[southcoast]

Lol why on earth would you tag crouch?
Is he gonna cut us up with his butcher kicks?

This just looks like giving a role to sheed that he can succeed in, even if that role doesnt really help us win. Plodder on plodder, except thier plodder is better.

Gotta get dom out of the team.

Cos Dom may be able to keep up with Crouch.


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[amazingjoshy]

It was the kids fault in the weekend according to the captain....

 

[FKASC]

Dawson is a ripper. I tried to think of someone of similar type and came up blank. Maybe Embers but Dawson seems to have a much stronger contested game up his sleeve.

He’s a bit like a slightly more outside Bont with a much better kick.

 

[UseR2006]

It was the kids fault in the weekend according to the captain....

Read it more that seasoned players are more used to the travel. Not that they performed better on the weekend.

 

[squashface]

Read it more that seasoned players are more used to the travel. Not that they performed better on the weekend.

What does it matter if they are used to the travel if they play worse than the guys who aren't?

So what Sheed is more used to travel than Reid - didn't seem to matter much on gameday

 

[KERRPOW]

It was the kids fault in the weekend according to the captain....

ah yes, those kids in cripps, darling, kelly, sheed & rotham

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Liam, when Oscar is back from injury maybe let him take the press conferences mkay?

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Sheed is too slow to be a tagger. He wasn’t even that great against Melbourne as he gave away 2 free kicks to Oliver at stoppages for holding because he knew he was ****ed if Oliver took one step away at pace.
The only reason he looked ok was that Reid and Kelly were so good around stoppages we didn’t let Oliver get too much of it. I also think people are so used to Sheed being atrocious that a “not too bad” game from him is seen as something really good. He should not be in the side unless we have no one else available.

 

[Smotie2]

Do you have any input other than Kelly is terrible and we gave up to much for him?

Yep had some insights I added in the relevant locations.

Cheers

 

[sey666]

Finally figured out why we stink when we play away. They have Synergy locked away somewhere inside Optus (or MRP) and when they travel they invariably forget to take it with them. This explains why the Beagles won on the weekend too.

Next time we travel, Simpson needs to remind whoever is in charge to take Synergy with him.