Prediction Round 11, 2025: Changes vs Kuwarna

[sharps24]

Ginbey is the matchup for Walker for mine.

If Gross is the sub again then for the second week in a row Reid will be the only player drafted in the last 2 years to start. Which is royal commission levels cooked for a side a game and a half clear on the bottom.

But I assume Long will be the sub and Gross will get a full game finally. Wanted Hall in but quite bullish on Dewar at half forward, seems like his best spot could easily kick 4. Either of Cripps or Owies spot is his for the taking after kicking 3 vs Brisbane.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Ginbey is the matchup for Walker for mine.

If Gross is the sub again then for the second week in a row Reid will be the only player drafted in the last 2 years to start. Which is royal commission levels cooked for a side a game and a half clear on the bottom.

But I assume Long will be the sub and Gross will get a full game finally. Wanted Hall in but quite bullish on Dewar at half forward, seems like his best spot could easily kick 4. Either of Cripps or Owies spot is his for the taking after kicking 3 vs Brisbane.

I'm really not a fan of us using Ginbey as a pseudo KPD, I understand it in this instance, but the sooner we get bazzo in to play asa genuine third tall who can also intercept and rebound the sooner we will see Ginbey's get back to some of the run and carry we have seen at times.

 

[stallon]

I'm really not a fan of us using Ginbey as a pseudo KPD, I understand it in this instance, but the sooner we get bazzo in to play asa genuine third tall who can also intercept and rebound the sooner we will see Ginbey's get back to some of the run and carry we have seen at times.

Bringing in Bazzo as the 3rd tall probably means Maric has to miss out unfortunately.

Its awkward we have no other players who can be the distributor, but Maric cant play as a KPD.

Its a distributor, a 3rd KPD, or we just go super tall

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

or we just go super tall

If we can't play all of Cox, Nic Nat AND Lycett, or can't squeeze Mitch Brown in a forward pocket, then it's not a West Coast team.

 

[WCErevival]

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11 players with fewer than 50 games is insane.

Only Richmond go in this week with less experience (14 under 50 and a further four under 100: 62.1 games average)

Why are Adelaide so fat?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Why are Adelaide so fat?

All the frog cakes and pie floaters.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Bringing in Bazzo as the 3rd tall probably means Maric has to miss out unfortunately.

Its awkward we have no other players who can be the distributor, but Maric cant play as a KPD.

Its a distributor, a 3rd KPD, or we just go super tall

Agree it's a bit awkward with personnel, but Bazzo for Maric is a change I'd make if Bazzo maintains his current form.

Dare I say, if we do draft McCarthy he won't be in the WAFL for long based on what I've seen. He looks quality and like he has skillset we are crying out for.

Could see our back 7 to be Bazzo, Edwards (vom), Duggan, Baker, Brock, Ginbey, McCarthy within a month.

 

[ziad]

Agree it's a bit awkward with personnel, but Bazzo for Maric is a change I'd make if Bazzo maintains his current form.

Dare I say, if we do draft McCarthy he won't be in the WAFL for long based on what I've seen. He looks quality and like he has skillset we are crying out for.

Could see our back 7 to be Bazzo, Edwards (vom), Duggan, Baker, Brock, Ginbey, McCarthy within a month.

Greg Clarke looked quality

 

[stallon]

Agree it's a bit awkward with personnel, but Bazzo for Maric is a change I'd make if Bazzo maintains his current form.

Dare I say, if we do draft McCarthy he won't be in the WAFL for long based on what I've seen. He looks quality and like he has skillset we are crying out for.

Could see our back 7 to be Bazzo, Edwards (vom), Duggan, Baker, Brock, Ginbey, McCarthy within a month.

Yeah agree, Mccarthy replacing Cole or something would make Maric unnecessary.
I like Maric but idk where he fits if he cant cover a 3rd tall forward at least

Im pretty keen to see Bazzo in the afl side again

 

[Keys]

Ginbey is the matchup for Walker for mine.

If Gross is the sub again then for the second week in a row Reid will be the only player drafted in the last 2 years to start. Which is royal commission levels cooked for a side a game and a half clear on the bottom.

But I assume Long will be the sub and Gross will get a full game finally. Wanted Hall in but quite bullish on Dewar at half forward, seems like his best spot could easily kick 4. Either of Cripps or Owies spot is his for the taking after kicking 3 vs Brisbane.

Hutchinson was drafted 12 months ago (Yes I know he’s 23)

There’s nothing wrong with the age profile of the team or the individual players selected

Won’t stop you bitching about it at every opportunity though

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Greg Clarke looked quality

He really didn't. Everyone knew he lacked pace, and that put a cap on his ceiling.

We drafted him purely for outside run due to his endurance and as midfield depth after being hammered by injuries to mids in 2020-2021 thinking maybe he could play a role if required as a 4th-5th midfielder.

McCarthy played as a mid, clearly not good enough, moved to half back and looks to have genuine AFL traits in that role.

I could easily be wrong about McCarthy, but Clark was never really genuine AFL quality and everyone knew it, you're just rewriting history.

 

[sharps24]

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11 players with fewer than 50 games is insane.

Only Richmond go in this week with less experience (14 under 50 and a further four under 100: 62.1 games average)

It's a bit misleading though, certainly not the case we are going in overly young Reid the only player drafted in the last 2 years to start.

If not for refusing the put the necessary games into Brockman last year to get him up to speed then he'd have cracked his 50. Harry Edwards also unlucky not to be in there too. They are both only a handful of games away. He's a year older but Hutch more or less upgraded from Luke Edwards who would have crossed 50 games around now. Flynn should have crossed over 50 games as well but is permanent injured. Hewett and Long should both be there too but have had long term injuries.

It's difficult to compare this list to Richmond because they genuinely are playing their kids, its not like for like. Many or in fact most of our under 50 game players are experienced bodies who've been in the system quite a while and just for whatever reason haven't racked up the numbers. All those Richmond kids will beat our draftee's to 50 as well because we're being ultra conservative about putting games into our kids.

Regardless though, pick this same team 6 weeks from now and it'll be 8, 6, 6, 3 which looks much more balanced.

Edit: Jack Williams pretty stiff not to have crossed the 40 game mark as well. These list breakdowns would paint a much more accurate picture if the 200+ game sector was replaced with 0-25 games and 25-50 games. Richmond team playing with a lot of 0-25 and us preferring the 25-50's and sleeping on the 23/24 draftees.

 

[stallon]

It's a bit misleading though, certainly not the case we are going in overly young Reid the only player drafted in the last 2 years to start.

If not for refusing the put the necessary games into Brockman last year to get him up to speed then he'd have cracked his 50. Harry Edwards also unlucky not to be in there too. They are both only a handful of games away. He's a year older but Hutch more or less upgraded from Luke Edwards who would have crossed 50 games around now. Flynn should have crossed over 50 games as well but is permanent injured. Hewett and Long should both be there too but have had long term injuries.

It's difficult to compare this list to Richmond because they genuinely are playing their kids, its not like for like. Many or in fact most of our under 50 game players are experienced bodies who've been in the system quite a while and just for whatever reason haven't racked up the numbers. All those Richmond kids will beat our draftee's to 50 as well because we're being ultra conservative about putting games into our kids.

Regardless though, pick this same team 6 weeks from now and it'll be 8, 6, 6, 3 which looks much more balanced.

Richmond have most of their first year players hiding in the f50 all game.

Most of our first/2nd years are mids, and not ready for full games yet in their natural role.

Not comparable

 

[Bacchus]

Yeah good changes.

Hope Oscar plays forward.

He will until he’s needed down back which probably won’t be long,

Tex kicks 3 in the first quarter ragdolling Brock.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Hutchinson was drafted 12 months ago (Yes I know he’s 23)

There’s nothing wrong with the age profile of the team or the individual players selected

Won’t stop you bitching about it at every opportunity though

Can probably throw Sandy Brock in too although 22. And Hall & Allan both knocking on the door and will be in and out of the side likely. It’s not that much of an issue I don’t think tbh. Grego, Shanahan, Champion all might get games in the second half of the season too

 

[Yeahnahmate]

He will until he’s needed down back which probably won’t be long,

Tex kicks 3 in the first quarter ragdolling Brock.

This has Tex renaissance game written all over it. Going to be really interesting to see how the backline fairs against the three headed monster in probably the biggest home ground advantage ground/side in the comp short of the Suns stints in Darwin

 

[Cuzz09]

Hope we just keep trying to take it on.

We'll probably get belted but we could get a few on them on the counter attack.

Reckon big O'Brien's plays well v us too usually so hopefully the tandem thing helps our mids

Dunno, feels like a return to reality upcoming.

Was hoping for a 20mm flood 8 goals to 3 loss

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Greg Clarke looked quality

You and Subi Boy, name a more iconic pair.

 

[ArdentEagle]

He really didn't. Everyone knew he lacked pace, and that put a cap on his ceiling.

We drafted him purely for outside run due to his endurance and as midfield depth after being hammered by injuries to mids in 2020-2021 thinking maybe he could play a role if required as a 4th-5th midfielder.

McCarthy played as a mid, clearly not good enough, moved to half back and looks to have genuine AFL traits in that role.

I could easily be wrong about McCarthy, but Clark was never really genuine AFL quality and everyone knew it, you're just rewriting history.

We played Clark outside. He's an inside midfielder. I personally was hoping he'd be Priddis lite but he got plonked on a ****ing Wing.
No wonder he failed.

 

[Bender_]

We played Clark outside. He's an inside midfielder. I personally was hoping he'd be Priddis lite but he got plonked on a ****ing Wing.
No wonder he failed.

It was baffling wasn't it? He excelled in the WAFL as an inside mid and he barely played in a CBD or stoppage.

It's good to see McQualter is giving players a go in different positions to see how they cope, I'm really hoping we see Chesser in a different role.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

It's a bit misleading though, certainly not the case we are going in overly young Reid the only player drafted in the last 2 years to start.

If not for refusing the put the necessary games into Brockman last year to get him up to speed then he'd have cracked his 50. Harry Edwards also unlucky not to be in there too. They are both only a handful of games away. He's a year older but Hutch more or less upgraded from Luke Edwards who would have crossed 50 games around now. Flynn should have crossed over 50 games as well but is permanent injured. Hewett and Long should both be there too but have had long term injuries.

It's difficult to compare this list to Richmond because they genuinely are playing their kids, its not like for like. Many or in fact most of our under 50 game players are experienced bodies who've been in the system quite a while and just for whatever reason haven't racked up the numbers. All those Richmond kids will beat our draftee's to 50 as well because we're being ultra conservative about putting games into our kids.

Regardless though, pick this same team 6 weeks from now and it'll be 8, 6, 6, 3 which looks much more balanced.

Edit: Jack Williams pretty stiff not to have crossed the 40 game mark as well. These list breakdowns would paint a much more accurate picture if the 200+ game sector was replaced with 0-25 games and 25-50 games. Richmond team playing with a lot of 0-25 and us preferring the 25-50's and sleeping on the 23/24 draftees.

Apologies if I’m getting you confused for another poster, but wasn’t there a discussion earlier in the year as to how Hough and Ginbey didn’t count as kids anymore despite their age because they’ve been in the side for years now and are established.

Obviously if you take away six players from our under 50 games played mark because they ‘should’ have played 50 already…yeah…then the number does go down a bit.

And even if we do that, regardless of games played they’re still the third youngest team selected of the week.

I just don’t understand where the selectors win if young and under 50 games doesn’t count, but young and ticking over 50 is also an established senior player now so not rebuild evidence (e.g. the 20 year old Ginbey).

This 20 year old doesn’t count for one reason, that 20 year old doesn’t count for another, it’s misleading to say Noah Long (20) or Elijah Hewett (20) are kids because they’ve been hurt, Hutch doesn’t count because he’s an upgrade on Luke Edwards who likely would have gone past 50 games already if healthy…

How far do we go with this?

It’s an incredibly young and incredibly inexperienced side. Archer Reid gets named on the extended bench and the place burns, but Gross, Harley and Hutch are named and we don’t have enough of our recent draft classes present.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Apologies if I’m getting you confused for another poster, but wasn’t there a discussion earlier in the year as to how Hough and Ginbey didn’t count as kids anymore despite their age because they’ve been in the side for years now and are established.

Obviously if you take away six players from our under 50 games played mark because they ‘should’ have played 50 already…yeah…then the number does go down a bit.

And even if we do that, regardless of games played they’re still the third youngest team selected of the week.

I just don’t understand where the selectors win if young and under 50 games doesn’t count, but young and ticking over 50 is also an established senior player now so not rebuild evidence (e.g. the 20 year old Ginbey).

This 20 year old doesn’t count for one reason, that 20 year old doesn’t count for another, it’s misleading to say Noah Long (20) or Elijah Hewett (20) are kids because they’ve been hurt, Hutch doesn’t count because he’s an upgrade on Luke Edwards who likely would have gone past 50 games already if healthy…

How far do we go with this?

It’s an incredibly young and incredibly inexperienced side. Archer Reid gets named on the extended bench and the place burns, but Gross, Harley and Hutch are named and we don’t have enough of our recent draft classes present.

Nope, you are not mistaken.

Personally, I do think <50 games stat can throw up some weird results.

As a general rule I try to work out how many players we are playing who we drafted since 2021 as a basis for comparison.

On that basis

West Coast: (9) Hough, Hewett, Ginbey, Long, Dewar, Maric, HReid, Gross, Hutchinson

Richmond have about 14, and Essendon 6.

9 is still a very decent number. We should be playing the kids and getting youth in to the team, but we don't need to be 18th in that stat every week imo.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Nope, you are not mistaken.

Personally, I do think <50 games stat can throw up some weird results.

As a general rule I try to work out how many players we are playing who we drafted since 2021 as a basis for comparison.

On that basis

West Coast: (9) Hough, Hewett, Ginbey, Long, Dewar, Maric, HReid, Gross, Hutchinson

Richmond have about 14, and Essendon 6.

9 is still a very decent number. We should be playing the kids and getting youth in to the team, but we don't need to be 18th in that stat every week imo.

Plus Brock and Brockman who we didn’t draft but have since acquired. 11, half the side.

And even if the game brackets aren’t everyone’s cup of tea: third youngest side in footy, having spent multiple weeks this year as the youngest. Richmond sank like a stone this week because of their three outs being Balta, Lynch and Nank, and we’ve gone in younger than them a number of times this year as is. Plus those guys are set and forget every single week in their B22 when available, so not like they’ve gone in scarily young by choice. Curious as to why being young doesn’t tick the box for some if we’re not young in a very specific way.

 

[ziad]

He really didn't. Everyone knew he lacked pace, and that put a cap on his ceiling.

We drafted him purely for outside run due to his endurance and as midfield depth after being hammered by injuries to mids in 2020-2021 thinking maybe he could play a role if required as a 4th-5th midfielder.

McCarthy played as a mid, clearly not good enough, moved to half back and looks to have genuine AFL traits in that role.

I could easily be wrong about McCarthy, but Clark was never really genuine AFL quality and everyone knew it, you're just rewriting history.

I guess my point is that state league is very different

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Plus Brock and Brockman who we didn’t draft but have since acquired. 11, half the side.

And even if the game brackets aren’t everyone’s cup of tea: third youngest side in footy, having spent multiple weeks this year as the youngest. Richmond sank like a stone this week because of their three outs being Balta, Lynch and Nank, but we’ve gone in younger than them a number of times. Curious as to why that doesn’t tick the box for some.

Forgot about Brock, I thoght he was drafted by GCS earlier than 2021.

Brockam there's a decent case for. Drafted in 2021 and one of the younger guys in his draft year. Like I said I was going by guys drafted 2021 or after.