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Autopsy Round 11, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs Kuwarna
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As far as questioning anything the VFL do that affects us …… you know those pigeons with the pointy thing on top of their heads that make that floodle oodle noise when they fly off….?
That’s us
The west coast floodle oodle pigeons.
Sydney have more balls than us and they are owned by the VFL
Was an absolute bright light last week and even more so this week being that it was in a team that got pumped after half time!!
Btw the brockmans are known as the hard c%^*+’s in gero…..
For me it was more about flipping tables at the thought of Hawthorn's counteroffer:
Brockman, Nick Watson and Murphy Reid for Harley Reid?
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I might be the odd man out here, but i would rather see Ginbey in the midfield, playing the inside mid role feeding it out to the likes of Hewitt, Brockman and Reid.
Use his strength around the contest, a bit of physicality if you like.
Use his strength around the contest, a bit of physicality if you like.
Our backs coach probably never laid a tackle in his career at the Dorkers, so maybe it's too much to expect him to teach players to tackle. Obviously our players weren't taught how to tackle as juniors, so how do we now improve that area of our game. It won't go away if we ignore it.
I wonder if tackling ability is something our talent scouts look at when drafting decisions are made ?
Does anyone know if Toddy was ever taught to lay a tackle by his old man ?
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He's not a midfielder and it doesn't come naturally to him. He's 2nd to the ball
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I don't know about that.......
I'd personally nominate Harry Edwards as our toughest........... to watch..... or maybe Kelly or Duggan or Allen or....
I think Ginbey is at his best when he gets an intercept possession and takes off in the other direction.
The only other player that can do as good a job as Ginbey from an athletic standpoint would be Hough. Moving him down back through games might be worth looking at just to give the defence a different look for a quarter or so.
The only other player that can do as good a job as Ginbey from an athletic standpoint would be Hough. Moving him down back through games might be worth looking at just to give the defence a different look for a quarter or so.
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Gutsy intense effort for a half against some of the most biased umpiring ever witnessed, i'm not one to comment on umpires but this was stratospheric levels of cheating
Brockman continues to impress in the midfield and distributing inside 50
Ball movement and gameplan slowly being pieced togther
Harley Reid enjoying himself again and doing the basics well
Waterman is a deadset gun, hate to see him injured
Elijah Hewett growing in confidence, his attack on ball and man is great, needs to be cleaner
Ginbey is all heart, cannot question his effort, same as Hewett needs to slow down and distribute cleanly
Harry Edwards a couple of big moments again, confidence and belief in himself looks to be the key
Brock shut down Fogarty, like his style
Jack Graham has lifted, would love to see what he could do with Yeo in the mix, two hard nosed campaigners
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Tough day for defenders however the system at the back needs work, covering and blocking space non existent at the moment, sense is mcqualter hasn't focused on it too much.
Skills shocking, weather played a role but jesus christ Tim Kelly especially just kills momentum with poor decisions and execution time and time again. 2 more years hurts so bad.
Liam Ryan needs to do better than 0.4, a far better player than that.
My boy Gross unlucky early with a high tackle inside 50 but went missing until subbed out, stick with him.
Flynn and Williams uncompetitive in the air, the crom just went coast to coast with contested marks constantly throughout the game
Geelong at home a huge test this week
Gutsy intense effort for a half against some of the most biased umpiring ever witnessed, i'm not one to comment on umpires but this was stratospheric levels of cheating
Brockman continues to impress in the midfield and distributing inside 50
Ball movement and gameplan slowly being pieced togther
Harley Reid enjoying himself again and doing the basics well
Waterman is a deadset gun, hate to see him injured
Elijah Hewett growing in confidence, his attack on ball and man is great, needs to be cleaner
Ginbey is all heart, cannot question his effort, same as Hewett needs to slow down and distribute cleanly
Harry Edwards a couple of big moments again, confidence and belief in himself looks to be the key
Brock shut down Fogarty, like his style
Jack Graham has lifted, would love to see what he could do with Yeo in the mix, two hard nosed campaigners
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Tough day for defenders however the system at the back needs work, covering and blocking space non existent at the moment, sense is mcqualter hasn't focused on it too much.
Skills shocking, weather played a role but jesus christ Tim Kelly especially just kills momentum with poor decisions and execution time and time again. 2 more years hurts so bad.
Liam Ryan needs to do better than 0.4, a far better player than that.
My boy Gross unlucky early with a high tackle inside 50 but went missing until subbed out, stick with him.
Flynn and Williams uncompetitive in the air, the crom just went coast to coast with contested marks constantly throughout the game
Geelong at home a huge test this week
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I find it strange that you find it strange that people complain about their footy team in a footy forum dedicated to said footy team. Would it be better to go to the cricket forum and talk about issues relating to the WCE in there?
As for emailing the club you'd be better off shitting in your hands and clapping, the club couldn't give a rodents rectum if Richard Johnson from Mount Lawley doesn't like the eagles sitting 18th on the ladder.
Best I've felt after a 60+ loss in the last few years.
A top 4 Adelaide in Adelaide was always going to be a huge ask. If a few things went our way we are probably up at half time and carry some momentum into the 3rd and maybe not collapse so badly.
Yeah there were negatives but with how bad we are/were its never going to be an over night fix. Inexperience and lack of skills will continue to hurt us for a while but we just need effort and improvement each week.
You can see our gameplan and style taking shape which is great to see. There was some good passages of play and there was enough positives to take away and grow/learn from, especially in the first half.
If we can can play more like that first half next week and have a decent showing against Geelong, I think we are every chance at pinching wins against Roo's and Blues in the following weeks before our bye.
A top 4 Adelaide in Adelaide was always going to be a huge ask. If a few things went our way we are probably up at half time and carry some momentum into the 3rd and maybe not collapse so badly.
Yeah there were negatives but with how bad we are/were its never going to be an over night fix. Inexperience and lack of skills will continue to hurt us for a while but we just need effort and improvement each week.
You can see our gameplan and style taking shape which is great to see. There was some good passages of play and there was enough positives to take away and grow/learn from, especially in the first half.
If we can can play more like that first half next week and have a decent showing against Geelong, I think we are every chance at pinching wins against Roo's and Blues in the following weeks before our bye.
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33.333% improvement on our last outing there.
We didn't capitalise on our periods of ascendancy in the first half and Adelaide were clearly a fitter more seasoned side. It really showed in the last 5 minutes of quarters where we struggled to go with them all over the ground.
Third quarter was bad, old days areas. A real shame as I wonder how we would have gone if BBW had slotted the first of the term instead of kicking the wildest flourbag I have seen in many a moon. Started off the boot missing left and finished missing right from 35out straight in front. We are young and inexperienced and we will ride on confidence more than more mature sides for a while yet.
Jake's injury sucks. Come on down JackW.
Backline is a worry. Duggan and Cole are playing pretty much to their level and we seem out of position as soon as the ball moves with a hint of pace, not sure who is supposed to be marshalling the troops. Maric is a bit soft with the contested stuff and Ginbey seems a bit lost with this new role he has been shoehorned into. Brocky showing some really good signs at least. Hopefully he can keep building. Harry wasn't that noticeable, I think that's a good thing.
Did think we toughed it out OK in the 4th which was better than folding up completely.
Ah well, I was hoping for less than 10 goals and we played well enough to have a respectable result. Just need to bring our intent and effort against the Cats and try not to string 2 beltings together in a row.
We didn't capitalise on our periods of ascendancy in the first half and Adelaide were clearly a fitter more seasoned side. It really showed in the last 5 minutes of quarters where we struggled to go with them all over the ground.
Third quarter was bad, old days areas. A real shame as I wonder how we would have gone if BBW had slotted the first of the term instead of kicking the wildest flourbag I have seen in many a moon. Started off the boot missing left and finished missing right from 35out straight in front. We are young and inexperienced and we will ride on confidence more than more mature sides for a while yet.
Jake's injury sucks. Come on down JackW.
Backline is a worry. Duggan and Cole are playing pretty much to their level and we seem out of position as soon as the ball moves with a hint of pace, not sure who is supposed to be marshalling the troops. Maric is a bit soft with the contested stuff and Ginbey seems a bit lost with this new role he has been shoehorned into. Brocky showing some really good signs at least. Hopefully he can keep building. Harry wasn't that noticeable, I think that's a good thing.
Did think we toughed it out OK in the 4th which was better than folding up completely.
Ah well, I was hoping for less than 10 goals and we played well enough to have a respectable result. Just need to bring our intent and effort against the Cats and try not to string 2 beltings together in a row.
The main negative for mine is waiting all week to see the game; you can't help building up some expectations, only to be served up a disappointing performance with few positive indicators aka 'green shoots'.
The 2 obvious key reasons inmho is we played without our key defender and our key forwards - sums up the game. Leaked like a sieve at both ends.
We missed Gov's intercept, kicking and leadership in the backline and that's the main reason the backline was poor yesterday. Under relentless entries little wonder they appeared panicky and poor-skilled, they play better with Gov.
At the other end we also missed Cripps and yes....Owies! Our two best defensive forwards.
We couldn't lock it in and score and were a bit of a toothless tiger.
Crowbots had more quality running players (with cleaner skills), bigger mature bodies and seasoned players, and we ran out of gas after half time.
Our game style is exhausting and deflating if we're not getting bang for buck on the scoreboard, maximising our forward entries.
Re Gross, all this talk about him being mismanaged as sub and losing confidence etc is just making excuses for his poor performance. He's a young player who is dead keen and wants every opportunity to play in any way possible. Each time he gets that chance, he hasn't really capitalised. He has 'almost' moments, but is showing he's not up to AFL speed yet.
He wants to take the game on, but gets caught repeatedly. Maybe he'd do better just settling in, by playing the team game first, not trying to be so flashy, doing the speccy things. (yes, it's in his nature and you don't want to dampen that). He tries to do too much under pressure, instead of the simple option, it's just inexperience. At his best, he makes good choices, lowering his eyes and centering the ball. Clearly he's got what it takes and has white line fever for goals. He'll be a good player in due course, needs to clock up more AFL mileage, one way or another. Agree with a previous post he needs at least another preseason.
Doesn't look like we'll win the flag this year, so need to get some experience into Hall, Allan, Grego etc.
* Harley's game is improving, cleaner, not getting into scuffles etc...learning.
The 2 obvious key reasons inmho is we played without our key defender and our key forwards - sums up the game. Leaked like a sieve at both ends.
We missed Gov's intercept, kicking and leadership in the backline and that's the main reason the backline was poor yesterday. Under relentless entries little wonder they appeared panicky and poor-skilled, they play better with Gov.
At the other end we also missed Cripps and yes....Owies! Our two best defensive forwards.
We couldn't lock it in and score and were a bit of a toothless tiger.
Crowbots had more quality running players (with cleaner skills), bigger mature bodies and seasoned players, and we ran out of gas after half time.
Our game style is exhausting and deflating if we're not getting bang for buck on the scoreboard, maximising our forward entries.
Re Gross, all this talk about him being mismanaged as sub and losing confidence etc is just making excuses for his poor performance. He's a young player who is dead keen and wants every opportunity to play in any way possible. Each time he gets that chance, he hasn't really capitalised. He has 'almost' moments, but is showing he's not up to AFL speed yet.
He wants to take the game on, but gets caught repeatedly. Maybe he'd do better just settling in, by playing the team game first, not trying to be so flashy, doing the speccy things. (yes, it's in his nature and you don't want to dampen that). He tries to do too much under pressure, instead of the simple option, it's just inexperience. At his best, he makes good choices, lowering his eyes and centering the ball. Clearly he's got what it takes and has white line fever for goals. He'll be a good player in due course, needs to clock up more AFL mileage, one way or another. Agree with a previous post he needs at least another preseason.
Doesn't look like we'll win the flag this year, so need to get some experience into Hall, Allan, Grego etc.
* Harley's game is improving, cleaner, not getting into scuffles etc...learning.
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Michael Tuck played 50 games of reserves before he got a league game, good enough for one of the greatest but our young blokes are losing interest in less than half a season in the ressies. Yeah/na I doubt they are losing interest but if they are they need to toughen up.
Like most players back in the day. Peter Matera the same.
Surprised to see Baker being mentioned as potentially being suspended. What he did is a bit of a shit campaignery move but suspendable?
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I'm 5 minutes into watching the first half of the game i missed yesterday, and oscar has had 5 meters on his man to watch it sail over his head twice.
compotency in some of our players is a problem, but i dont think it's OZ.
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Overall positive with that game.
But that's because I have watched most of our games in full over the last 4 years and am still deeply traumatised by that Sydney game that never happened. Huh? What Sydney game?
Reasons for being positive:
- gamestyle. It's night and day compared to the Simmo days when we'd see players take possession, stop, and just allow the opposition to set up while we chipped it backwards and sideways. There's actually some excitement when we play on, run and gun, and create opportunities.
- progress in some of the kids. As I mentioned in the gameday thread, Ginbey has become an important player for us down back, being one of the strongest and contesting when our more lightly built young defenders are being bullied. Has a few clangers but hopefully he improves that area of his game.
- Brockman, HReid progress. Brockman a surprise find and HReid is building back into form (if the umps don't shiv him every chance they get)
- Ryan comin up Milhouse this season. Was inaccurate on the weekend but he still provides some very much needed class and skills.
- Kelly. Much preferring his HF role linking and kicking it forward. Not setting the world on fire in this position but lightyears better than in the midfield.
Negs:
- Feels like I'm being unfair on him, and maybe I'm seeing his contributions through poo-coloured glasses at this point, but most weeks I pray for Duggan to be left out. He's given a lot over the years, tried his guts out, and I'm sure the payers love him. But I'm also sure they'd hate his Simmo-esque gamestyle of either holding up play forever, or just blindly bombing it straight to the opposition. They're hallmarks of someone who is too slow and cannot make quick decisions under pressure; instead resorting to slowing it all down or doing the reactionary helicopter to relieve the pressure.
- We lost the plot on F50 entries. Perhaps it was how well the Crows set up. They seemed to play 1on1 really well and outpoint our players consistently. Bigger, stronger bodies for the most part.
Even so, we repeatedly went forward with long kicks to contests where it just got eaten up by their defenders too easily. Needed to lower the eyes, play on, and honour the leads when they were there. All of Brockman, Cripps and Owies being out/elsewhere probably didn't help.
- Jake
- Umps. I don't usually lay into the umps but it's starting to feel vindictive against HR. I don't know who spat in their coffee but they're blaming him for it. They really don't want him to play the way he plays. And that's bad for the game.
But that's because I have watched most of our games in full over the last 4 years and am still deeply traumatised by that Sydney game that never happened. Huh? What Sydney game?
Reasons for being positive:
- gamestyle. It's night and day compared to the Simmo days when we'd see players take possession, stop, and just allow the opposition to set up while we chipped it backwards and sideways. There's actually some excitement when we play on, run and gun, and create opportunities.
- progress in some of the kids. As I mentioned in the gameday thread, Ginbey has become an important player for us down back, being one of the strongest and contesting when our more lightly built young defenders are being bullied. Has a few clangers but hopefully he improves that area of his game.
- Brockman, HReid progress. Brockman a surprise find and HReid is building back into form (if the umps don't shiv him every chance they get)
- Ryan comin up Milhouse this season. Was inaccurate on the weekend but he still provides some very much needed class and skills.
- Kelly. Much preferring his HF role linking and kicking it forward. Not setting the world on fire in this position but lightyears better than in the midfield.
Negs:
- Feels like I'm being unfair on him, and maybe I'm seeing his contributions through poo-coloured glasses at this point, but most weeks I pray for Duggan to be left out. He's given a lot over the years, tried his guts out, and I'm sure the payers love him. But I'm also sure they'd hate his Simmo-esque gamestyle of either holding up play forever, or just blindly bombing it straight to the opposition. They're hallmarks of someone who is too slow and cannot make quick decisions under pressure; instead resorting to slowing it all down or doing the reactionary helicopter to relieve the pressure.
- We lost the plot on F50 entries. Perhaps it was how well the Crows set up. They seemed to play 1on1 really well and outpoint our players consistently. Bigger, stronger bodies for the most part.
Even so, we repeatedly went forward with long kicks to contests where it just got eaten up by their defenders too easily. Needed to lower the eyes, play on, and honour the leads when they were there. All of Brockman, Cripps and Owies being out/elsewhere probably didn't help.
- Jake
- Umps. I don't usually lay into the umps but it's starting to feel vindictive against HR. I don't know who spat in their coffee but they're blaming him for it. They really don't want him to play the way he plays. And that's bad for the game.
Jordan Dawson got fined for that shove on Harley at least.
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Did Peatling also get fined for wearing a G-string and trying to draw high tackles?
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