Round 12 vs. St Kilda @ the Telstra Dome

[Alex99]

Really? Because i dont recall you actually justifying your opinion when i last asked you about it.

This was your opinion



You were wrong. Admit it, and give credit where its due to Stevens.

Seriously, do you even think through the statements you mash into your keyboard? Stevens stunk up the joint in round one? HE DID NOT PLAY IN ROUND ONE Next you'll be telling me he was to blame for the 1993 preliminary final lost.

Noone called him the chosen one, but he has clearly earnt his spot at center half back, and should be backed in against the best in the league. In the last month and a bit he's beaten Lucas, Whitnall and Reiwoldt, and he's been amongst our best two or three times. That suggests that he is doing well enough at center half back to have the full support of crows fans.

You say that we shouldnt accept him because he hasnt played that many games in a row, yet you probably want Bock back. Remember that Bock only broke into the crows team halfway into last year as well. Does that mean he hasnt played enough to be accepted?

Credit where credit is due and I believe I said he played well, but time will tell if he is up to it and at this stage I don’t believe he is up to it.

He was moved off of Scott Lucas in the first quarter after he took a few strong marks and then Nathan Bassett took him; Scott Stevens went onto Jason Winderlich and Ben Rutten stood Courtney Johns until they made a change and David Hille went forward.

Lance Whitnall only played in the forward 50 for 25% of the game, the rest of the time he was in the back lines to help out.

The individual one on one (with no other defenders in the area as a 3rd man up) contest between Scott Stevens and Nick Riewoldt would have finished evens. But he was not good enough for you to add him to your best players, was he.

I don’t give a rat toss bag what you say I am not convinced that Scott Stevens has what it takes to play AFL football and contribute to a winning side. He is a liability in attack as his man runs off him and he need a 3rd man up to limit his direct opponents pace (if you want proof of his lack of pace, go watch the West Coast game and watch Adam Hunter run of him all day).

Scott Stevens looks good in a side that strategically get numbers behind the ball (coincidentally he looked good at the Swans because they implemented the same zoning defence strategies) because we have the 3rd man zoning off and the wings drop back to fill in space, this helps him look good. When there has to be a one on one contest he will struggle, I hope we don’t rely on him to cover Anthony Rocca or Chris Tarrant when we play Collingwood or Quinten Lynch or Adam Hunter against the West Coast in the finals.

You are correct he didn’t play against Collingwood; do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on? Smartarse.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Credit where credit is due and I believe I said he played well, but time will tell if he is up to it and at this stage I don’t believe he is up to it.

He was moved off of Scott Lucas in the first quarter after he took a few strong marks and then Nathan Bassett took him; Scott Stevens went onto Jason Winderlich and Ben Rutten stood Courtney Johns until they made a change and David Hille went forward.

Lance Whitnall only played in the forward 50 for 25% of the game, the rest of the time he was in the back lines to help out.

The individual one on one (with no other defenders in the area as a 3rd man up) contest between Scott Stevens and Nick Riewoldt would have finished evens. But he was not good enough for you to add him to your best players, was he.

I don’t give a rat toss bag what you say I am not convinced that Scott Stevens has what it takes to play AFL football and contribute to a winning side. He is a liability in attack as his man runs off him and he need a 3rd man up to limit his direct opponents pace (if you want proof of his lack of pace, go watch the West Coast game and watch Adam Hunter run of him all day).

Scott Stevens looks good in a side that strategically get numbers behind the ball (coincidentally he looked good at the Swans because they implemented the same zoning defence strategies) because we have the 3rd man zoning off and the wings drop back to fill in space, this helps him look good. When there has to be a one on one contest he will struggle, I hope we don’t rely on him to cover Anthony Rocca or Chris Tarrant when we play Collingwood or Quinten Lynch or Adam Hunter against the West Coast in the finals.

You are correct he didn’t play against Collingwood; do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on? Smartarse.

Seriously, i feel like that guy in Everyone loves Mary, running through the...

You still keep ranting about how he isnt up to it, but you fail to qualify your ridiculous statement again, just like you failed to qualify your claim that Reiwoldt would kill him with strength and pace. Still you keep going with your great myth that Stevens will get killed at the individual contests, and its not true. In the one on one contests with Reiwoldt, Stevens was clearly the victor. You say that Whitnall only played 25% of the game up forward, that might have something to do with the fact that he wasnt having an impact up there, because he was beaten by Stevens. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt with the Essendon clash, I was at the game and didnt really get to critique players performances to the level that i usually would, however if i recall reading in the paper a few days ago, Stevens stats, that were presented as him playing on Lucas were very positive indeed.

You give credit to the rest of the midfielders, and so do i, they are what makes our defense great. What you fail to mention though, is that Stevens has significantly lifted his rebounding game to create genuine attacking movement from center half back. He even kicked the first goal of the game, thats proof for you.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and people should be big enough to admit their mistakes. You made a major one, and you know it, when you declared that Reiwoldt would kill Stevens, and it didnt happen. Instead of trying to get indignant you should admit that mistake, and said you would justify it. Im still waiting for your justification... please enlighten me.

Here, ill show you how its done: I made a mistake with my best players by putting Shirley in there, that was supposed to be Stevens. I did my votes late at night, and made a simple error.

 

[Alex99]

Seriously, i feel like that guy in Everyone loves Mary, running through the ...

You still keep ranting about how he isnt up to it, but you fail to qualify your ridiculous statement again, just like you failed to qualify your claim that Reiwoldt would kill him with strength and pace. Still you keep going with your great myth that Stevens will get killed at the individual contests, and its not true. In the one on one contests with Reiwoldt, Stevens was clearly the victor. You say that Whitnall only played 25% of the game up forward, that might have something to do with the fact that he wasnt having an impact up there, because he was beaten by Stevens. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt with the Essendon clash, I was at the game and didnt really get to critique players performances to the level that i usually would, however if i recall reading in the paper a few days ago, Stevens stats, that were presented as him playing on Lucas were very positive indeed.

You give credit to the rest of the midfielders, and so do i, they are what makes our defense great. What you fail to mention though, is that Stevens has significantly lifted his rebounding game to create genuine attacking movement from center half back. He even kicked the first goal of the game, thats proof for you.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and people should be big enough to admit their mistakes. You made a major one, and you know it, when you declared that Reiwoldt would kill Stevens, and it didnt happen. Instead of trying to get indignant you should admit that mistake, and said you would justify it. Im still waiting for your justification... please enlighten me.

Here, ill show you how its done: I made a mistake with my best players by putting Shirley in there, that was supposed to be Stevens. I did my votes late at night, and made a simple error.

Where the hell do you get of calling anyone ...?

I am not going to argue with you any more as I have made my point on more than one occasion about Scott Stevens and his inability to play one on one football.

Scott Stevens is not up to the rigours of AFL when he is relied upon to win a one on one contest. In the system we play he looks like a very good player but the question will always remain, how will he go when we come up against a quality midfield where out wingers have to be accountable and they can not zone off.

Vs West Coast in round 2 he was dreadful, he looked slow and not able to use his body weight in marking contest. This is an example of what I am talking about, playing against a side that has quality all over the ground where other players are accountable, he went missing. (They have been the only legitimate title contender he has played against)

I will be taking a close interest in how he goes against the Sydney Swans in round 14, West Coast Eagles in round 17, Collingwood in round 18, Port Adelaide in round 21 and Melbourne in round 22 as they will make every player on the ground accountable for there man.

It’s very easy to play well against crappolla but when the heat is on and he has to stand is when he will earn respect, if only he can stand up. Not until then will I give him any credit.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Bit thin skinned arent we? You went with the insults and cant take it in response?

I suggest that you hold true to your word and stop trying to argue with me, since you really arent improving.

You've made your claim again and again its true, you continue to claim that Stevens is weak and gets beaten in one on one situations. Its not your claim i continue to ask for though, its for you to substanciate your claim.

If Stevens is weak and poor at one on one contests i would have expected Reiwoldt, who is excellent at both, to destroy him in these situations. He did not.

You use the West Coast game as an example, but Stevens played in attack for alot of that game i believe. Ill agree with you that Stevens is not a good forward, but i think the recent evidence suggests that he excells at Center Half Back.

None of the teams you named have a center half forward the quality of Reiwoldt, or even a match up that i would be severely worried about putting Stevens into. Its funny that you think Stevens has only performed against 'crapolla', when he played very well last week against Brisbane, in a match people called 'our best win of the season'. This week he was the key match up in a match against a serious finals contender, and a large part of our sucess was due to reiwoldt having no influence. Ill continue to back him in.

 

[Alex99]

Bit thin skinned arent we? You went with the insults and cant take it in response?

I suggest that you hold true to your word and stop trying to argue with me, since you really arent improving.

You've made your claim again and again its true, you continue to claim that Stevens is weak and gets beaten in one on one situations. Its not your claim i continue to ask for though, its for you to substanciate your claim.

If Stevens is weak and poor at one on one contests i would have expected Reiwoldt, who is excellent at both, to destroy him in these situations. He did not.

You use the West Coast game as an example, but Stevens played in attack for alot of that game i believe. Ill agree with you that Stevens is not a good forward, but i think the recent evidence suggests that he excells at Center Half Back.

None of the teams you named have a center half forward the quality of Reiwoldt, or even a match up that i would be severely worried about putting Stevens into. Its funny that you think Stevens has only performed against 'crapolla', when he played very well last week against Brisbane, in a match people called 'our best win of the season'. This week he was the key match up in a match against a serious finals contender, and a large part of our sucess was due to reiwoldt having no influence. Ill continue to back him in.

Round 2 vs. West Coast Eagles.

 

[Alex99]

Bit thin skinned arent we? You went with the insults and cant take it in response?

I suggest that you hold true to your word and stop trying to argue with me, since you really arent improving.

You've made your claim again and again its true, you continue to claim that Stevens is weak and gets beaten in one on one situations. Its not your claim i continue to ask for though, its for you to substanciate your claim.

If Stevens is weak and poor at one on one contests i would have expected Reiwoldt, who is excellent at both, to destroy him in these situations. He did not.

You use the West Coast game as an example, but Stevens played in attack for alot of that game i believe. Ill agree with you that Stevens is not a good forward, but i think the recent evidence suggests that he excells at Center Half Back.

None of the teams you named have a center half forward the quality of Reiwoldt, or even a match up that i would be severely worried about putting Stevens into. Its funny that you think Stevens has only performed against 'crapolla', when he played very well last week against Brisbane, in a match people called 'our best win of the season'. This week he was the key match up in a match against a serious finals contender, and a large part of our sucess was due to reiwoldt having no influence. Ill continue to back him in.

Book marked for finals (I hope for your sake and the Crows he doesn’t fail)

 

[Southerntakeover]

Round 2 vs. West Coast Eagles.

See above.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Book marked for finals (I hope for your sake and the Crows he doesn’t fail)

Its a sad supporter who sits back and tries to find people in the team to blame in advance.

 

[Alex99]

Its a sad supporter who sits back and tries to find people in the team to blame in advance.

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a sad supporter and I take offence at that insinuation.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a sad supporter and I take offence at that insinuation.

Need a tissue? Mate, if you accept that you are trying to find people to blame in advance, since you didnt challenge that claim, then i really couldnt care how offended you are.

 

[Alex99]

Need a tissue? Mate, if you accept that you are trying to find people to blame in advance, since you didnt challenge that claim, then i really couldnt care how offended you are.

read this...

I will be more than happy for him and will say so if he can show he is up to the rigours of AFL football against quality side like the West Coast, Collingwood and Sydney. He is yet to do that so I am sorry if I don’t have any confidence in him just yet.

I was very anti Michael Doughty (anyone on hear will tell you that ) but I had him 2nd on the best and fairest count at this point of the season and best team man now and to win it it at the season end; he has changed my mind and I am happy to say he is a quality AFL player. Not a few game wonder.

I want to see him perform on the big occasion before I will be convinced that he is a quality AFL player.

So that proves you seriously have NFI when it comes to anything except the voices in your own head.

Go and read that post I quoted again, see Michael Doughty and it will show you that I can and do change my mind on a player, if they have shown they can play at the appropriate level.

In my opinion the jury is still out on Scott Stevens and I don’t think the verdict will come back favourability for him, But if it does I am happy to change my mind and say he is a valuable member of the side.

But you didn’t comment on that did you, you only like to take easy pot shots at other supporter and try and justify your claims at being ever player number 1 fan, your simply a little sniper.

99% of this board had written Scott Stevens off, I just want to wait a little bit longer before claiming he is the second coming of Christ, unlike you.

Now Piss off you fruit loop.

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[Southerntakeover]

So that proves you seriously have NFI when it comes to anything except the voices in your own head.

Go and read that post I quoted again, see Michael Doughty and it will show you that I can and do change my mind on a player, if they have shown they can play at the appropriate level.

In my opinion the jury is still out on Scott Stevens and I don’t think the verdict will come back favourability for him, But if it does I am happy to change my mind and say he is a valuable member of the side.

But you didn’t comment on that did you, you only like to take easy pot shots at other supporter and try and justify your claims at being ever player number 1 fan, your simply a little sniper.

99% of this board had written Scott Stevens off, I just want to wait a little bit longer before claiming he is the second coming of Christ, unlike you.

Now Piss off you fruit loop.

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Way to go with the straw man tactic, hows that working for you?

Never claimed Stevens is the second coming of christ. HAVE said that he is playing very well for us, and has earnt the right to be backed in against any opponent he needs to match up on. I also believe that good supporters would support a player who is doing his job well, instead of trying to set him up to fail.

Let me ask you this, what possible pleasure could you get out of being right in this situation, if it meant that your team suffered? Would you not rather me being right if it meant the crows suceed?

I really do hope that the answer is yes to the above question.

You are NOT simply waiting before giving him credit, you are in advance bagging him before matches, saying he cant play the role that he has now given us ample evidence to suggest that he can play. After being wrong about your claim that he would get killed by Reiwoldt, you decided that youd flip it to some claim that he will fail in finals, to avoid having to admit your mistake.

The fact that youve decided to stop arguing the actual issue, and try to substanciate your claims Stevens isnt good enough at center half back shows that you were wrong. If it takes till september for you to admit it, then so be it.

Note-

Out of respect for Kane who does a great job moderating these boards ive decided not to respond to another cheap attempt at playing the man from you.

For consistency sake though, i hope Kane will also remove you calling me a 'smartarse', a fruitloop etc, as he did my insulting comment.

 

[Alex99]

Way to go with the straw man tactic, hows that working for you?

Never claimed Stevens is the second coming of christ. HAVE said that he is playing very well for us, and has earnt the right to be backed in against any opponent he needs to match up on. I also believe that good supporters would support a player who is doing his job well, instead of trying to set him up to fail.

Let me ask you this, what possible pleasure could you get out of being right in this situation, if it meant that your team suffered? Would you not rather me being right if it meant the crows suceed?

I really do hope that the answer is yes to the above question.

You are NOT simply waiting before giving him credit, you are in advance bagging him before matches, saying he cant play the role that he has now given us ample evidence to suggest that he can play. After being wrong about your claim that he would get killed by Reiwoldt, you decided that youd flip it to some claim that he will fail in finals, to avoid having to admit your mistake.

The fact that youve decided to stop arguing the actual issue, and try to substanciate your claims Stevens isnt good enough at center half back shows that you were wrong. If it takes till september for you to admit it, then so be it.

Note-

Out of respect for Kane who does a great job moderating these boards ive decided not to respond to another cheap attempt at playing the man from you.

For consistency sake though, i hope Kane will also remove you calling me a 'smartarse', a fruitloop etc, as he did my insulting comment.

For the love of god, have you not read a single thing I have written?

Do I want Scott Stevens to fail, absolute not as it would be a major disadvantage to the defensive structure the club is trying to implement, however I simply do not believe that he will succussed.

I will gladly admit I am wrong and suggest that Scott Stevens is an integral member of the Adelaide Crows defensive unit. What I want to see him before this occasion occurs is to perform in a few big time match against quality opposition (see Michael Doughty, his form has been good for a long time and he has changed my mind)

St Kilda as a premiership threat is simply a myth, they have a plethora of injuries and there midfield is virtually none existent. They are not a quality side at this stage of the year.

I am going to follow some good advice and ignore you from now on; I have made my point regarding Scott Stevens and his playing future and shown on more than one occasion I am willing to change my mind on a player after they have met my criteria.

 

[ICanDressMyself]

Jesus. Well that was one hell of an argument.

I must say though SouthernTakeover takes the cake on this one.

 

[Alex99]

Jesus. Well that was one hell of an argument.

I must say though SouthernTakeover takes the cake on this one.

Time will tell

And it wasn’t long ago that 99% of this board has completely written him off as well..

 

[Southerntakeover]

For the love of god, have you not read a single thing I have written?

Do I want Scott Stevens to fail, absolute not as it would be a major disadvantage to the defensive structure the club is trying to implement, however I simply do not believe that he will succussed.

I will gladly admit I am wrong and suggest that Scott Stevens is an integral member of the Adelaide Crows defensive unit. What I want to see him before this occasion occurs is to perform in a few big time match against quality opposition (see Michael Doughty, his form has been good for a long time and he has changed my mind)

St Kilda as a premiership threat is simply a myth, they have a plethora of injuries and there midfield is virtually none existent. They are not a quality side at this stage of the year.

I am going to follow some good advice and ignore you from now on; I have made my point regarding Scott Stevens and his playing future and shown on more than one occasion I am willing to change my mind on a player after they have met my criteria.

Im glad youve taken someones advice. If you had taken mine at the beginning and apologized to scott stevens for saying he is too weak and slow to match Reiwoldt, this would have been averted.

For simplicity sake perhaps you could post said criteria, so we can tick them off as Stevens achieves them, and prove conclusively at some point that you owe him an apology?

Than again, its better to ignore a debate you are losing, after calling me out in other threads.

 

[Alex99]

Im glad youve taken someones advice. If you had taken mine at the beginning and apologized to scott stevens for saying he is too weak and slow to match Reiwoldt, this would have been averted.

For simplicity sake perhaps you could post said criteria, so we can tick them off as Stevens achieves them, and prove conclusively at some point that you owe him an apology?

Than again, its better to ignore a debate you are losing, after calling me out in other threads.

Yawn, build a bridge and get over it.