Review Round 13, 2020 - Brisbane Lions vs. St. Kilda

[jackess]

I rest my case. Bizzare.

For the record, I don't have any "agenda" apart from a strong desire to see the "no case to see here" enduring VFL cabal shafted.

Question- major KPI for a KPF is????

Last- his handball?? Watch again. Carefully.

Creating scoring opportunities for the team. Which he did well.

 

[Harris Specter]

I rest my case. Bizzare.

For the record, I don't have any "agenda" apart from a strong desire to see the "no case to see here" enduring VFL cabal shafted.

Question- major KPI for a KPF is????

Last- his handball?? Watch again. Carefully.

Mark or bring to ground for our smalls to do their work.
Would have thought it was pretty obvious judging by what Fagan and the coaching team have said repeatedly.

 

[Dylan12]

And get JB on the case. Work on the head situation. Bugger the rest.

Must admit, I was really surprised in Monday night when Jono Brown said on OTC that he had no idea who if we have or who is the Lions goal kicking coach.

I have no inside knowledge here so I may be wrong, but I find it bloody disappointing that a recently retired club legend as illustrious as Jono Brown and the Brisbane Lions all time leading goalkicker wouldn't (a) know who the goalkicking coach is; (b) have been approached by the club to help with these issues even in consultancy capacity; and (c) potentially have been shut out from the club.

Point (c) may be a step too far, but as I've said on here before, Brown's interest in the Lions seems lukewarm at best these days. He rarely seems enthused compared to say his interest in the Suns, which is evident for all to see, particularly on the radio and even on Fox.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I can't believe he hasn't been approached to at least offer some tips to our forwards.

 

[Tassie4ever]

Must admit, I was really surprised in Monday night when Jono Brown said on OTC that he had no idea who if we have or who is the Lions goal kicking coach.

I have no inside knowledge here so I may be wrong, but I find it bloody disappointing that a recently retired club legend as illustrious as Jono Brown and the Brisbane Lions all time leading goalkicker wouldn't (a) know who the goalkicking coach is; (b) have been approached by the club to help with these issues even in consultancy capacity; and (c) potentially have been shut out from the club.

Point (c) may be a step too far, but as I've said on here before, Brown's interest in the Lions seems lukewarm at best these days. He rarely seems enthused compared to say his interest in the Suns, which is evident for all to see, particularly on the radio and even on Fox.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I can't believe he hasn't been approached to at least offer some tips to our forwards.

My [admittedly limited] understanding is that Jed Adcock is the forwards coach, he having superseded Ben Hudson. Neither of them forward specialists in any way. Says it all really.

Re JB- my casual reading of his offerings on Fox is that he retains a very strong commitment to the Lions. Strong. Can't believe a call to him for some coaching tips wouldn't be accepted.

 

[a mayes ing]

I rest my case. Bizzare.

For the record, I don't have any "agenda" apart from a strong desire to see the "no case to see here" enduring VFL cabal shafted.

Question- major KPI for a KPF is????

Last- his handball?? Watch again. Carefully.

Depends on the team - for the Lions it is competing, getting to contests and maing sure the opponent doesn't mark it. Goals is not the number 1 KPI for McStay and Hippy, watch the presser a few weeks ago from Fagan

Edit: beaten

 

[jackess]

My [admittedly limited] understanding is that Jed Adcock is the forwards coach, he having superseded Ben Hudson. Neither of them forward specialists in any way. Says it all really.

Re JB- my casual reading of his offerings on Fox is that he retains a very strong commitment to the Lions. Strong. Can't believe a call to him for some coaching tips wouldn't be accepted.

Which teams with super effective forward lines have coaches that were decent forwards at AFL level?

It's not common in modern footy. Says it all really

Here's a list from 3 years ago

Your club's coaching structures 2017

Who's in charge of what and which assistants are headed to the big time?

www.afl.com.au

No Gehrig, Barry Hall, Milne or other great forwards

 

[martinson]

Which teams with super effective forward lines have coaches that were decent forwards at AFL level?

It's not common in modern footy. Says it all really

Here's a list from 3 years ago

Your club's coaching structures 2017

Who's in charge of what and which assistants are headed to the big time?

www.afl.com.au

No Gehrig, Barry Hall, Milne or other great forwards

How many AFL coaches were great players full stop ??

You wouldn't want to back the current 18 in a reserves match.

 

[KissKiss]

Which teams with super effective forward lines have coaches that were decent forwards at AFL level?

It's not common in modern footy. Says it all really

Here's a list from 3 years ago

Your club's coaching structures 2017

Who's in charge of what and which assistants are headed to the big time?

www.afl.com.au

No Gehrig, Barry Hall, Milne or other great forwards

The big example is Roughhead working with St Kilda this year. Has made a marked improvement with their effectiveness this year

 

[martinson]

How many AFL coaches were great players full stop ??

You wouldn't want to back the current 18 in a reserves match.

I suppose that's a bit harsh ,but the point is great teachers and motivators don't need to have been great players.

 

[jackess]

The big example is Roughhead working with St Kilda this year. Has made a marked improvement with their effectiveness this year

And Jed coached the highest scoring team last season as well.

I think the on field inclusions would've had a bigger impact than Roughhead.

 

[martinson]

And Jed coached the highest scoring team last season as well.

I think the on field inclusions would've had a bigger impact than Roughhead.

It's also a stretch to blame the coach for poor kicking for goal.

They can tell them what to do and train them for it but they're not kicking it.

 

[Nunez]

Must admit, I was really surprised in Monday night when Jono Brown said on OTC that he had no idea who if we have or who is the Lions goal kicking coach.

I have no inside knowledge here so I may be wrong, but I find it bloody disappointing that a recently retired club legend as illustrious as Jono Brown and the Brisbane Lions all time leading goalkicker wouldn't (a) know who the goalkicking coach is; (b) have been approached by the club to help with these issues even in consultancy capacity; and (c) potentially have been shut out from the club.

Point (c) may be a step too far, but as I've said on here before, Brown's interest in the Lions seems lukewarm at best these days. He rarely seems enthused compared to say his interest in the Suns, which is evident for all to see, particularly on the radio and even on Fox.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I can't believe he hasn't been approached to at least offer some tips to our forwards.

Alred was Our goal kicking coach last year and we had another guy lined up this year from memory - no clue if he had to be let go due to Covid though.

 

[Dalions]

It's also a stretch to blame the coach for poor kicking for goal.

They can tell them what to do and train them for it but they're not kicking it.

I think Fages hit the nail on the head in his presser in relation to the players and the goal kicking.


"The thing about the Brisbane Lions boys is they care about the team and they want the team to do well.“

"When they feel like they're letting the team down that weighs on them psychologically a little bit.”

"They think more about the result than the process itself."

 

[martinson]

I think Fages hit the nail on the head in his presser in relation to the players and the goal kicking.


"The thing about the Brisbane Lions boys is they care about the team and they want the team to do well.“

"When they feel like they're letting the team down that weighs on them psychologically a little bit.”

"They think more about the result than the process itself."

It's the lack of mindfulness or presence of mind that sinks people in many fields of endeavour ,particularly sports.

I'd find it hard not to believe that they haven't been well drilled in what they need to do.

It's why good players with good skills seem to be good kicks for goal ,because they have the capacity to live in the moment and react intuitively all over the field.

Of course we have some really good players whose goalkicking has been poor this year , so it is possible that the whole thing's an anomaly.

 

[T Rick]

Some truly bizarro contributions here. Dixon??? Three years??? Daniher??? Seriously!!!

Having sat through the game live, then review on the video. If there has been a worse individual game than Hipwood's then I can't remember it. Then again, the mind tends to obliterate the painful. His best individual game ever??? Seriously. If only the game was based on good intentions and not the odd kick between the big sticks instead.

This lad has a serious deficiency upstairs. His setup is all wrong, starting from the monumental Michael Holding run-up [look where that's got Ben Brown]. Long run-up= long kick= difficult. Even for a 30m kick. Inconsistent ball drop. Scratch the ground along the run in. Why?? Doesn't make the blindest difference as far as I can see. Kicks where he aims it. That's anywhere.

In the end Hipwood was giving away free kicks, spraying 15m short passes, totally and observably dropping the head in self-confidence. Not chasing. A case for Fagan to sit him down and put an arm around his shoulders. Never happened- left him out there to suffer, along with the rest of us.

And get JB on the case. Work on the head situation. Bugger the rest.

Thing is, with an ounce [sorry, gram] of skills= 5 goals. Equals BOG. Equals no contest. Was all there for the asking.

Jeez your assessment of Hippy is way over the top...he is still a baby giraffe in terms of being a KPF and when (not if) he starts to nail his set shots, he will be something special.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Hippy would be pretty good trade bait.

Hipwood and McStay for Daniher and a second rounder?

Throw in McCluggage or Bailey as the steak knives and that may get the deal over the line.

I would want their number one draft choice and that young ruckman Draper.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Some truly bizarro contributions here. Dixon??? Three years??? Daniher??? Seriously!!!

Having sat through the game live, then review on the video. If there has been a worse individual game than Hipwood's then I can't remember it. Then again, the mind tends to obliterate the painful. His best individual game ever??? Seriously. If only the game was based on good intentions and not the odd kick between the big sticks instead.

This lad has a serious deficiency upstairs. His setup is all wrong, starting from the monumental Michael Holding run-up [look where that's got Ben Brown]. Long run-up= long kick= difficult. Even for a 30m kick. Inconsistent ball drop. Scratch the ground along the run in. Why?? Doesn't make the blindest difference as far as I can see. Kicks where he aims it. That's anywhere.

In the end Hipwood was giving away free kicks, spraying 15m short passes, totally and observably dropping the head in self-confidence. Not chasing. A case for Fagan to sit him down and put an arm around his shoulders. Never happened- left him out there to suffer, along with the rest of us.

And get JB on the case. Work on the head situation. Bugger the rest.

Thing is, with an ounce [sorry, gram] of skills= 5 goals. Equals BOG. Equals no contest. Was all there for the asking.

I think Tassie4ever really means to say there are parts of Hipwoods game that are deficient and I think we can all agree his kicking for goal is a problem.

What I liked were the two times where he came across the play, aggressively, and smashed the ball out of bounce, something I haven't seen Hippy do before. He will finally realise how big he is and then watch out.

I couldn't get through the replay. I watched the last few minutes and we certainly applied great pressure down back

 

[jackess]

Starcevich has won the rising star nomination for this round