Prediction Round 13, 2024: Changes vs North Melbourne

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Sheed to either tag LDU or follow Sheezel around so he cant get the little marks he always gets, tagger is more useful the worse our midfield is.
When there are obvious tag targets definitely dont mind Sheed in the team as long as he is doing a job on someone

Sheezel is a decent match up for Sheed actually - physically at least - might have a bit too much of a running capacity though. Probably a good call if they decide to send Sheed in to tag.
 
Sheezel is a decent match up for Sheed actually - physically at least - might have a bit too much of a running capacity though. Probably a good call if they decide to send Sheed in to tag.
I dont think Sheed needs a huge tank to go with Sheezel, just stand in his vicinity so he cant get the uncontested marks. Sheezel isnt a power runner like Daicos, hes mostly an elite kick that North try to use a lot.

Tbh id rather Culley or Ginbey do a defensive sort of role(not a tag) on LDU at stoppages, let Sheed take the more outside player in Sheezel
 

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Trew just needs to be open and honest with Simmo. He should sit him down and tell him:

"Forget what them boys is talkin' bout, I'm Trew, I'm Trew
You ridin' swangs you gripping grian, I do, I do
You candy red you candy blue, you poppin' trunk you jammin' screw
Don't know about you but I'm Trew, I'm Trew"

He'd be guaranteed a game after that.
Only if he is in an alternative universe where we all communicate like we're in Hamilton.
 
I don't really get this idea that Sheed is a good option as a tagger. Seems like just a way for Simmo to fit a square peg in a round hole so he can have all his beloved "leaders" out there.

The three games that Sheed has supposedly been a tagger (aka stand in the vague area of the oppo player and point) he was matched up against:

Oliver (26 disposals)
Crouch (30 disposals)
Steele (17 disposals and a major reason why St Kilda got back into it)

Spoiler alert - we lost 2/3 of those games.

Sheed isn't a tagger - he also shouldn't be in the side.
 
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I don't really get this idea that Sheed is a good option as a tagger. Seems like just a way for Simmo to fit a square peg in a round hole so he can have all his beloved "leaders" out there.

The three games that Sheed has supposedly been a tagger (aka stand in the vague area of the oppo player and point) he was matched up against:

Oliver (26 disposals)
Crouch (30 disposals)
Steele (17 disposals and a major reason why St Kilda got back into it)

Spoiler alert - we lost all those games.

Sheed isn't a tagger - he also shouldn't be in the side.

We beat Melbourne dude.
 
I don't really get this idea that Sheed is a good option as a tagger. Seems like just a way for Simmo to fit a square peg in a round hole so he can have all his beloved "leaders" out there.

The three games that Sheed has supposedly been a tagger (aka stand in the vague area of the oppo player and point) he was matched up against:

Oliver (26 disposals)
Crouch (30 disposals)
Steele (17 disposals and a major reason why St Kilda got back into it)

Spoiler alert - we lost 2/3 of those games.

Sheed isn't a tagger - he also shouldn't be in the side.
Sheed needs to go on an outside player if theyre going to persist with this, hes not big enough to bother the bigger inside mids enough. The guys that tag/annoy inside mids are guys like Connor Nash, Blicavs, Dunkley, etc. Theyre all huge compared to Sheed.

Id rather Hall came in and tagged if thats how we were gonna play things. Get him doing a hard tag for the rest of the year, call it learning off the best, then reassess his role for next year.
 
I don't really get this idea that Sheed is a good option as a tagger. Seems like just a way for Simmo to fit a square peg in a round hole so he can have all his beloved "leaders" out there.

The three games that Sheed has supposedly been a tagger (aka stand in the vague area of the oppo player and point) he was matched up against:

Oliver (26 disposals)
Crouch (30 disposals)
Steele (17 disposals and a major reason why St Kilda got back into it)

Spoiler alert - we lost 2/3 of those games.

Sheed isn't a tagger - he also shouldn't be in the side.
Sheed the tagger seems like a square peg in a round hole and to be very clear I don’t want him in the side…but I will say it’s been surprisingly effective in a way I don’t think those numbers make clear.

He held Oliver to 7 touches in the first half, before Clayton added 19 at 50% DE in the second half including this stunning fourth quarter of backline handballs in a dead game.

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Steele (8 touches to half time) also proved a pretty effective tag early.

I’m unsure if it’s a fitness thing, if the running drops off, or maybe we just go away from the tag? Not sure why, but it’s been a surprisingly effective tactic in two of the three games, and an unequivocal win in two of the three first halves.

Crows game was an abomination from start to finish and I think we not only tagged the wrong player but did just about everything else poorly too. But generally speaking, I don’t get how or why, but I think it has weirdly worked for us on the balance of things.

A very fair discussion to be had if any of this is worth it over just playing someone else, but anyway…
 
The problem with Trew is the same problem we've seen consistently over the last 8 or so years: the club applies different standards to different players. In terms of performance in AFL matches, aside from his debut game (and perhaps covering more KMs) has Luke Edwards done that much more than Trew when given a chance? Not in my opinion, though I'm sure there'll be some statistics to make me look foolish.

Unlike Trew, Edwards is baked into the fabric of the match committee's vision for the team. We can only assume there are some metrics they would cite to explain it, and I would imagine personality/buy-in plays a role. Either way, he has had much more opportunity to get a feel for AFL level. And that is what it is - but I suspect there's a connection with this approach and the dearth of quality mids we have in the 24-28 bracket. It's kind of staggering to consider the amount of players we have drafted late, barely given time at AFL level in their preferred position, then cut 3-5 seasons later.

Either way, I doubt it swings this match considerably. But as someone who is generally a fan of Simmo, it's one of the biggest criticism I'd level against him.
 
Sheed the tagger seems like a square peg in a round hole and to be very clear I don’t want him in the side…but I will say it’s been surprisingly effective in a way I don’t think those numbers make clear.

He held Oliver to 7 touches in the first half, before Clayton added 19 at 50% DE in the second half including this stunning fourth quarter of backline handballs in a dead game.

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Steele (8 touches to half time) also proved a pretty effective tag early.

I’m unsure if it’s a fitness thing, if the running drops off, or maybe we just go away from the tag? Not sure why, but it’s been a surprisingly effective tactic in two of the three games, and an unequivocal win in two of the three first halves.

Crows game was an abomination from start to finish and I think we not only tagged the wrong player but did just about everything else poorly too. But generally speaking, I don’t get how or why, but I think it has weirdly worked for us on the balance of things.

A very fair discussion to be had if any of this is worth it over just playing someone else, but anyway…
There’s just not enough of a sample size. Both Oliver and Steele have been pretty flaky this year and have had patches of going missing. Not sure if that’s always been tag-related or just them not being in great form.
 

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It's funny seeing all the melts over Trew. He's a list-clogger and will be delisted at the end of the year. He's on the list purely as depth in case of injuries. We are 16th on the ladder and still a long way from being genuinely competitive. Trew is not going to make any difference.

I think people are more pissed on then why was he kept on the list, looked as good as gone at the end of last year , so why then sign him for 1 year and not have any intention to play him when he’s been playing well in the WAFL.

May as well have picked up some untried youngster at the end of the draft last year.
 
I don't really get this idea that Sheed is a good option as a tagger. Seems like just a way for Simmo to fit a square peg in a round hole so he can have all his beloved "leaders" out there.

The three games that Sheed has supposedly been a tagger (aka stand in the vague area of the oppo player and point) he was matched up against:

Oliver (26 disposals)
Crouch (30 disposals)
Steele (17 disposals and a major reason why St Kilda got back into it)

Spoiler alert - we lost 2/3 of those games.

Sheed isn't a tagger - he also shouldn't be in the side.

The Crouch tag didn’t last long, they dropped it after a quarter.
 
The Crouch tag didn’t last long, they dropped it after a quarter.
Sheed the tagger seems like a square peg in a round hole and to be very clear I don’t want him in the side…but I will say it’s been surprisingly effective in a way I don’t think those numbers make clear.

He held Oliver to 7 touches in the first half, before Clayton added 19 at 50% DE in the second half including this stunning fourth quarter of backline handballs in a dead game.

View attachment 2012569

Steele (8 touches to half time) also proved a pretty effective tag early.

I’m unsure if it’s a fitness thing, if the running drops off, or maybe we just go away from the tag? Not sure why, but it’s been a surprisingly effective tactic in two of the three games, and an unequivocal win in two of the three first halves.

Crows game was an abomination from start to finish and I think we not only tagged the wrong player but did just about everything else poorly too. But generally speaking, I don’t get how or why, but I think it has weirdly worked for us on the balance of things.

A very fair discussion to be had if any of this is worth it over just playing someone else, but anyway…

Hence why I don't know why he is getting praise a tagger when we aren't actually committing to it (or he isn't really doing it well).

Tagging Crouch for a quarter then letting him rack up 30 possessions as we get our pants pulled down by 99 points (or holding Steele to 0 touches at quarter time then what, stopping while he has 8 touches in the second quarter and then leads the Saints to victory?)

But then we have to hear about how we like him as a tagger and that's his spot in the side.
 
There’s just not enough of a sample size. Both Oliver and Steele have been pretty flaky this year and have had patches of going missing. Not sure if that’s always been tag-related or just them not being in great form.

This is a good point. Many, included me lauded Sheeds job on Oliver (who still got 27D) for limiting his impact on the game.

In retrospect there’s a case to be made that Oliver of 2024 is not the impactful game changer of 2021-22 Clayton Oliver.

I still standby my previous posts that Sheed, Gaff are fringe 22, and there inclusion in the team makes sense given no Kelly, no Teid, no Hunt and if posters are cranky they’re in the team they should be more disappointed at lack of growth from underneath rather than taking it out on Sheed and Gaff (and Jones). They’ll play until they get pushed out.
 
Don’t think it’s worth melting over
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It's funny seeing all the melts over Trew. He's a list-clogger and will be delisted at the end of the year. He's on the list purely as depth in case of injuries. We are 16th on the ladder and still a long way from being genuinely competitive. Trew is not going to make any difference.
It’s not simply Trew, it’s what he represents - ie lack of selection integrity or favouritism using a blunter word.

There are players esp some who play on wings who are given game after game despite showing what could be described as moderate form at best. Someone like Trew (but not only Trew) shows consistent good form at the lower level, but is not promoted until things get desperate, then is given a quarter to play and promptly dropped the next week.
Against the Bulldogs at the end of last year Trew played an important role in his last quarter on the ground in one of the rare wins of the last three years and his handful of games.

The real issue is not Trew or whether we win tomorrow it’s how things are done. Some players can be as useless as **** on a dog and keep getting games while others slog away and aren’t selected no matter what they do.

Just on Trew, if he is a list clogger why wasn’t he delisted last year and the dice thrown on someone like Rawlinson who might make it (although probably not in his case). Or couldn’t they be bothered? In a competition as tight as this every possible advantage has to be taken.
 
It’s not simply Trew, it’s what he represents - ie lack of selection integrity or favouritism using a blunter word.

There are players esp some who play on wings who are given game after game despite showing what could be described as moderate form at best. Someone like Trew (but not only Trew) shows consistent good form at the lower level, but is not promoted until things get desperate, then is given a quarter to play and promptly dropped the next week.
Against the Bulldogs at the end of last year Trew played an important role in his last quarter on the ground in one of the rare wins of the last three years and his handful of games.

The real issue is not Trew or whether we win tomorrow it’s how things are done. Some players can be as useless as **** on a dog and keep getting games while others slog away and aren’t selected no matter what they do.

Just on Trew, if he is a list clogger why wasn’t he delisted last year and the dice thrown on someone like Rawlinson who might make it (although probably not in his case). Or couldn’t they be bothered? In a competition as tight as this every possible advantage has to be taken.

None of this is actually true, though.

Sheed was selected because he was best performing WAFL mid. We won our first WAFL game off the back of his work in the midfield in last quarter.

Gaff played consistent and solidly in the WAFL, so when Hunt was injured it was between Gaff, Burgiel, Johnston. Burgiel had been invisible before last week, and Gaff had been best performing of the bunch.

Culley played his first two games as a forward. Played two games of mid and was rewarded with AFL call up based on his form (over Hall).

Hutchinson is drafted, plays 2 days after arriving in Perth, is nearly BOG and gets a call up.

Ao the question is- who should Trew be in over? He didn’t have the solid consistent form of Gaff and Sheed/Culley’s performances put both in front of him.

The answer is those guys should all be in over Trew.

That’s the very definition of selection integrity.

Those who say “club said when it was a 50/50 selection call we would lean towards youth” seem to think these are 50/50 selection calls, when’re they’re not.

This is what selection integrity looks like.
 
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