Prediction Round 13, 2024: Changes vs North Melbourne

[Tyberious Funk]

It’s not simply Trew, it’s what he represents - ie lack of selection integrity or favouritism using a blunter word.

I don't want to be cast as a defender of the match committee, but...

They clearly feel that Trew has reached the ceiling of his potential, he seems likely to be delisted, and will generally only play when there are injuries. They seem to feel he is a midfielder and lacks versatility to play on the wing.

I have no idea what his GPS metrics show... but maybe the feeling is justified? At the moment, the wing appears to be the most misleading position on the ground, because you can perform strongly, but but barely get near the ball because of the way the game ebbs and flows. Teams are not judging wings on the same metrics that fans are.

Is it favouritism? Or is the match commitee making selections based on different critieria to you?

Just on Trew, if he is a list clogger why wasn’t he delisted last year and the dice thrown on someone like Rawlinson who might make it (although probably not in his case). Or couldn’t they be bothered? In a competition as tight as this every possible advantage has to be taken.

I have no idea, but can speculate that the recruiters felt that Trew, at 21-22 could offer better depth and be ready to play, as opposed to an 18-19 year old rookie. Or maybe they expected him to develop further during the off season and he didn't. It is a tight competition... but playing Trew won't make a difference.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Are we saying Greg Clark deserves another year on our senior list? If so, whose spot on the list that was out of contact/drafted last year does he take?

IMHO, the issue with Clark is that he was delisted after 2 years. That's pretty poor however you look at it. If he was such a big dud, how come we didn't pick that up before he was drafted? It just screams of a recruiting team that isn't in sync with your match committee. At least he was only a 4th rounder.

 

[eaglevision]

Put it this way, had Longy not injured his knee, 2024 Coleman medallist Jack Hutchinson would not be on the list. It was poor list management.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I'm not sure how well we dodged that bullet

We mightve beat the rain but we didn't beat the Saints

The only way we could move through the saints defensive zones was a contested mark . If it had rained saints would have won by more

 

[BeornJ]

Would any of the other 17 teams select any of the midfielders (except Yeo, obviously) we have this week in their starting 22?

A lot of teams would love Ginbey.

 

[KERRPOW]

Kind of annoying Liam Ryan can do this but has bottled multiple gimme goals in the past fortnight

pity he cant do it 35m out on a slight angle...on game day.

 

[Bacchus]

I don't want to be cast as a defender of the match committee, but...

They clearly feel that Trew has reached the ceiling of his potential, he seems likely to be delisted, and will generally only play when there are injuries. They seem to feel he is a midfielder and lacks versatility to play on the wing.

I have no idea what his GPS metrics show... but maybe the feeling is justified? At the moment, the wing appears to be the most misleading position on the ground, because you can perform strongly, but but barely get near the ball because of the way the game ebbs and flows. Teams are not judging wings on the same metrics that fans are.

Is it favouritism? Or is the match commitee making selections based on different critieria to you?




I have no idea, but can speculate that the recruiters felt that Trew, at 21-22 could offer better depth and be ready to play, as opposed to an 18-19 year old rookie. Or maybe they expected him to develop further during the off season and he didn't. It is a tight competition... but playing Trew won't make a difference.

I am not saying playing Trew is going to make a difference. In fact I have seen so little of him I wouldn’t know.
I have seen him on a few occasions show a bit of skill and spark and then on others he has stunk it up.
But as a general comment I have seen so few full AFL games from him that I wouldn’t like to say - the sample size is too small - that actually is the complaint. Yes, they may know from training, so if he’s a dud why on earth did they keep him on the list? I do remember Jaymie Graham, now at Fremantle, saying that he saw him as a promising player.

If they know Trew is a dud he shouldn’t be on the list. They have all these people working as full time recruiting scouts -
can’t they find someone somewhere who might be worth a go? A Dean Cox Hail Mary? Currently, it looks like Trew wouldn’t get a game even if half the squad was unavailable, so what was the point in persisting with a player who they rate so poorly?

Why didn’t they retain SPS who can actually play?

 

[FKASC]

Kind of annoying Liam Ryan can do this but has bottled multiple gimme goals in the past fortnight

I assume that’s what most of the comments are saying too

 

[UseR2006]

Saw this quote from a worst article from Zac Fisher

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Zac Fisher

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8.3

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7.9

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1.8

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3.0

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MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

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7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

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0.0

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384.0

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12.2

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6.8

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5.4

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M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

and it has me cackle laughing:....

“We’re due to take a scalp and this week’s as good as any,” Fisher said.

They consider us a scalp hahahahaha.

Their club is nothing but a speed bump or lint.

 

[bzparkes]

Saw this quote from a worst article from Zac Fisher and it has me cackle laughing:....

“We’re due to take a scalp and this week’s as good as any,” Fisher said.

They consider us a scalp hahahahaha.

Their club is nothing but a speed bump or lint.

Yes but we've also only beaten them once in 3 years(by a goal), so they probably think the same about us...

 

[Tugga27]

“We’re due to take a scalp and this week’s as good as any,” Fisher said.

They consider us a scalp hahahahaha.

Their club is nothing but a speed bump or lint.

TBF, when you're winless at round 13, you'd take anyone.

This is one of the few games I reckon they think they can win.

 

[Mulldogg]

The Trew thing is not (or rarely) people melting about ‘how is game winner Zane Trew not getting picked, we’re no chance now’.

It’s…

a) how can we properly assess these fringe players (see: Clark, Winder) if they aren’t given an extended crack in their main position, rather than shoehorned into awkward roles or given sub bursts every other month.

The counterpoint to that is that the coaches see them every day in training, and I’m not losing sleep over the Eagles cutting ties with any of them, but given the fans’ main exposure is through games it can be frustrating trying to get a read on players when we feel they never get a chance.

Hence the hand wringing about selection integrity (which I think is misplaced in this specific scenario, even though I’m no Sheed fan). A broader discussion about selection integrity over the years is certainly worthwhile, though I suspect I could go onto any board on this site and find a fringe player that the moron coach isn’t using correctly or giving a chance. When you’re down the bottom of the ladder and as desperate for talent as we are, it gets magnified and rightly so.

b) if this was the plan for Trew (eg even when our midfield is injured/suspended and he showed good WAFL form, he still doesn’t play) then why did we keep him last year instead of throwing an equally low probability dart at the rookie list just in case we unearthed one.

I don’t think Trew is a world beater and it’s an easy delist decision, I don’t think we’re worse off for him not playing this week, but those are the discussions people are having, not simply “why isn’t he being picked in our best 22”.

Thanks Badge, these are my sentiments exactly regarding Trew and the whole non-selection or limited sub exposure when actually given an AFL opportunity.

As you say is he going to be a world beater at AFL level? No, I don’t think so but watching him at WAFL level he certainly gets first hands on the footy at stoppages, is elite by hand and serviceable by foot. Will those attributes translate to the next level? Buggered if I know because he hasn’t been given a chance to play inside mid when selected.

If he goes out and has 35 disposals and a goal tomorrow morning against Subi I reckon he’ll have a right to feel even more aggrieved.

I honestly don’t know why we didn’t delist him and have a crack at an 18yo that missed the draft in the SSP period.

 

[stallon]

Who might these plenty of inside mids be?

Yeo and Culley seem to have fared better than expected off injuries. Reid has come on significantly better than expected holding down one of the main midfield spots. Ginbey and Kelly are in there too. Sheed played as well as or better than trew in the WAFL, and he can play something other than inside mid.
Thats 6 names who are clearly ahead of Trew

 

[stallon]

I don't rate trew, but having 1qtr as a sub isn't really fair nor giving him the opportunity to show anything

Does it need to be fair? We are here to build a premiership winning list, Trew will not be part of it, and him being in the side would only get in the way of Reid and Ginbey from getting exposure

 

[wirra44]

Does it need to be fair? We are here to build a premiership winning list, Trew will not be part of it, and him being in the side would only get in the way of Reid and Ginbey from getting exposure

Well then why sign him for this year? Could of delisted him like we all thought was gonna happen and picked someone else up in the draft.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Here’s my theory on Trew - he’s just ok.

We retained him likely because the previous two years there’d been unprecedented issues with availability.

So he was midfield depth and still young enough age profile wise to possibly turn a corner to AFL standard - best case scenario.

He’s been decent at WAFL level and gets a little look when we have enough outs through the middle.

Also Culley is probably more damaging both now and as far as projected ceiling.

I don’t think he’s been hard done by or starved of his chance at AFL level. Just not quite there still, kept longer due to availability issues and will be delisted next

 

[stallon]

b) if this was the plan for Trew (eg even when our midfield is injured/suspended and he showed good WAFL form, he still doesn’t play) then why did we keep him last year instead of throwing an equally low probability dart at the rookie list just in case we unearthed one.

I don’t think Trew is a world beater and it’s an easy delist decision, I don’t think we’re worse off for him not playing this week, but those are the discussions people are having, not simply “why isn’t he being picked in our best 22”.

If you look at our inside mids, it makes sense to keep some depth on the list rather than just throwing a rookie spot at some random. Yeo has groin issues, Culley acl, Sheed foot issues, Reid we didnt expect to be this good, etc. Only mids we could rely on as somewhat knowns with low chance of an injury were Kelly, Ginbey and then ???, Duggan maybe?

There was a clear hole on the list, and Trew could fill it after Dev Rob didnt want to do it

 

[stallon]

Well then why sign him for this year? Could of delisted him like we all thought was gonna happen and picked someone else up in the draft.

We had huge question marks over half of our inside mids, the only mid not in their first 2 years on the list and not coming off an injury is Kelly.
Makes complete sense to keep a depth inside mid.
That spot was not meant to be Trew, it was meant to be Dev Rob. Trew was signed last minute when the trade fell through

 

[Doashuey]

The only way we could move through the saints defensive zones was a contested mark . If it had rained saints would have won by more

Still not dodging a bullet though is it? We got gut shot rather than a head shot. Hooray!

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Well then why sign him for this year? Could of delisted him like we all thought was gonna happen and picked someone else up in the draft.

Because there has been WAFL fixtures in the not too distant past where we’ve literally had only a few senior list players out there.

His ability at that level and age profile has kept him listed but now availability is increasing he most likely won’t get many more chances to step up, makes sense to me

 

[Keys]

I feel we dodged a bullet last week with a tall team and just beat the rain .

This week we are even taller and have lost 2 guys reid and trew who would win the ground balls .

If it rains I think we struggle

We only took 8 marks inside F50 last week (St Kilda took 13) so I don’t think rain would’ve made much difference

And we’re not really taller this week. Waterman who’s not that tall replaces Williams. Culley is taller than Reid but is still a mid and Johnston at 190cm isn’t really a tall. Trew is 187cm so the difference is minimal

 

[Godfather32]

We only took 8 marks inside F50 last week (St Kilda took 13) so I don’t think rain would’ve made much difference

And we’re not really taller this week. Waterman who’s not that tall replaces Williams. Culley is taller than Reid but is still a mid and Johnston at 190cm isn’t really a tall. Trew is 187cm so the difference is minimal

Who now?

 

[Keys]

Who now?

Got my sons mixed up

Oops

 

[Hoskin300]

If you look at our inside mids, it makes sense to keep some depth on the list rather than just throwing a rookie spot at some random. Yeo has groin issues, Culley acl, Sheed foot issues, Reid we didnt expect to be this good, etc. Only mids we could rely on as somewhat knowns with low chance of an injury were Kelly, Ginbey and then ???, Duggan maybe?

There was a clear hole on the list, and Trew could fill it after Dev Rob didnt want to do it

It makes no sense and it’s such a strange hill for you to die on.

If we have decided trew isn’t afl quality pick another inside mid aged 20-22 playing well in mens footy and give them a crack. It’s really not that complex.

 

[mat11]

Does it need to be fair? We are here to build a premiership winning list, Trew will not be part of it, and him being in the side would only get in the way of Reid and Ginbey from getting exposure

No you're right it doesn't and he's definitely not a part of the future but it's just weird we've essentially wasted a list spot for zero gain