Autopsy Round 13, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs North Melbourne

[Elite Pete]

Is there anymore than 1-2 players that would get a game in any of the top 8 sides at our club?

Of course there would be.

Yeo, Gov, Waterman, Harley, Hewett, Hough, Ginbey, Ryan, Baker, Allen would all be walk up starts at a club, some would walk into several and some would play probably in all top 8 clubs.

Jack Williams would probably be a at Brissy.

Every team has holes but you can hide or cover them from other areas. For us it’s very hard as we have a lack of depth of midfield that it’s so bad.

 

[Scotland]

Average fox footy West Coast insight:

• Harley Reid is good at football, I wonder which Melbourne club he will play for
• Oscar Allen isn't playing well this year
• You know Liam Baker from Richmond? He actually plays for West Coast now
• Elliot Yeo is still injured
• Stay tuned for more next week

Mar-cik. Over the Hutchi-son. Back to Mar-ich. Back to Hutchin-son agian...

 

[kranky al]

Mar-cik. Over the Hutchi-son. Back to Mar-ich. Back to Hutchin-son agian...

Don’t forget the player who they can’t remember the name of so immediate segue into a random stat or suchlike to cover it up

 

[flyinghi64]

The classic Claytons game.
The win you have when you don't really win.

Not talking about or reflecting on this game again.

 

[Scotland]

Last year we were 2.15 at 3QT vs North at Optus. This year we were 1.13 before Hewett kicked a goal in the 3rd quarter.

Yuck. Just yuck.

 

[Cuzz09]

This is a nice melt but Kelly has barely attended a CBD since Round 9 and has been playing at HF. Just because he is named in the midfield on the team sheets that doesn't mean he is playing there or is matched up against those players you have listed.

Round 9 v Richmond: 0% CBAs
Round 10 v St Kilda: 19% CBAs
Round 11 v Adelaide: 7% CBAs
Round 12 v Geelong: 16% CBAs
Round 13 v North: 11% CBAs

This is down from 60-90% attendance prior to Round 9.

I'd drop Kelly to the WAFL and bring in Long. Better close to goal and can do 10% stints in the middle if needed

Let him stew in the 2s

 

[BSD]

Last year we were 2.15 at 3QT vs North at Optus. This year we were 1.13 before Hewett kicked a goal in the 3rd quarter.

Yuck. Just yuck.

That goes to prove that our kicking for goal s crap and nothing is being done to fix the problem.
Stop the dribble kicks and kicks around the corner until they improve their accuracy from in front.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Got smashed in the clearances. I know Xerri is a good ruckman. But it feels like every single week I hear an excuse about how the opposite ruckman is so elite. Flynn is an honest trier, but he's possibly the worst first ruckman in the league. We have the lowest clearances in the league, and the second lowest hitouts.

I know it's only a small thing, but I find it surprising we didn't try and recruit a senior ruckman in the midseason draft. Because we have one frontline ruckman in Flynn, three partimers in B.Williams, J.Williams and A.Reid... and sweet **** all after that. Still bewilders me we wouldn't pick up Eastland, given he averages 30-40 hitouts a game, while getting 15-20 disposals a game. Surely that'd make a bigger, immediate impact than Newton?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I'd drop Kelly to the WAFL and bring in Long. Better close to goal and can do 10% stints in the middle if needed

Let him stew in the 2s

Fine to drop TK but with Long? Surely you jest. Long has little to offer.

 

[Cuzz09]

Fine to drop TK but with Long? Surely you jest. Long has little to offer.

Not much else tbh

I'd say Malakai but everyone just replies with "he's too small"

why draft him then? he ain't getting taller

 

[BSD]

AFL clubs don't specifically have these types of coaches. Being able to kick a football is kinda a pre requisite to being drafted. If you can't kick you should not be drafted. It is a mental thing for many. but we also have some very poor kicks in our squad, as all AFL clubs have.

If being able to kick accurately is a pre requisite for being drafted, then our talent scouts are obviously ignoring that part of their skills. Doing nothing isn't going to fix the problem. Surely there is someone in the club that can teach Archer to improve his kicking action. If the problem is between his ears Langers mate the sports psychologist from his Cricket Australia days should be able to help him or is he so overloaded with work in player welfare that he doesn't have the time.

 

[bzparkes]

Not much else tbh

I'd say Malakai but everyone just replies with "he's too small"

why draft him then? he ain't getting taller

I find the complaints about him being too small pretty odd.

He's not skinny for starters.

He's also taller than both Nick Watson and Kysaiah Pickett.

He's pretty strong, as evidenced by his big fend off on the weekend, as well as some big tackles.

Needs a run in the seniors, IMO.

 

[BSD]

Forward structure is very poor and requires quick improvement and better set play.
Archer Reid needs a goal kicking coach.

WTF is our forwards coach doing to improve our forwards structure and the set plays ?
Nothing by the looks of it, send him back home to South Australia.

 

[Cuzz09]

I find the complaints about him being too small pretty odd.

He's not skinny for starters.

He's also taller than both Nick Watson and Kysaiah Pickett.

He's pretty strong, as evidenced by his big fend off on the weekend, as well as some big tackles.

Needs a run in the seniors, IMO.

I'd love to give him the rest of the year FP and Shanahan FF.

Malakai Shanahan Cripps
Ryan JWilliams Dewar

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

WTF is our forwards coach doing to improve our forwards structure and the set plays ?
Nothing by the looks of it, send him back home to South Australia.

Relax, bruz.

We're improving. We have some players who are starting to win their position more often than not - Harley, Ginbey, Waterman. Other players are coming on and it's only a matter of time. What more do you want?

 

[Balls In]

Of course there would be.

Yeo, Gov, Waterman, Harley, Hewett, Hough, Ginbey, Ryan, Baker, Allen would all be walk up starts at a club, some would walk into several and some would play probably in all top 8 clubs.

Jack Williams would probably be a at Brissy.

Every team has holes but you can hide or cover them from other areas. For us it’s very hard as we have a lack of depth of midfield that it’s so bad.

10 players on our list who would likely get games at another club is about half what you need to have an AFL quality list.

 

[ziad]

My wife shared a few observations. She said, I hope we didn't pay Kelly a lot to stay on, and we have nobody like Cuz who says follow me.

I held some pride in the way we were battling back in the second and third but there was an overwhelming feeling that this game is well below AFL level. In's and outs at the end of the season is very important. Too much of the debate on here is about possible A verses possible B and spud A verses spud B. (Sadly)

 

[javaguice]

A drive home from Bunners after that would have sucked.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

If being able to kick accurately is a pre requisite for being drafted, then our talent scouts are obviously ignoring that part of their skills. Doing nothing isn't going to fix the problem. Surely there is someone in the club that can teach Archer to improve his kicking action. If the problem is between his ears Langers mate the sports psychologist from his Cricket Australia days should be able to help him or is he so overloaded with work in player welfare that he doesn't have the time.

Not seen many players improve their kicking ability in my lifetime, once it is inbuilt which it generally is by the age of 16 then it is what it is.
You can however teach and improve decision making so you use the skills you have to fit in with who you are as a football value to the group.
These clubs don't do nothing, the players practice these things. The problem is that practicing at training is always different to a real game situation. Fatigue, Pressure can do funny things to players, some handle it much better than others.
It's just footy, bad day yesterday kicking for goal.

To put a little context on it. The Pies who are the best side in the league have kicked 162-153 for the year so they miss almost every second shot.
We have kicked 126-136 so we miss a little over every second shot.
Not a great deal of difference.
That doesn't make it right but it's where the modern game is unfortunately.

 

[ziad]

Not seen many players improve their kicking ability in my lifetime, once it is inbuilt which it generally is by the age of 16 then it is what it is.
You can however teach and improve decision making so you use the skills you have to fit in with who you are as a football value to the group.
These clubs don't do nothing, the players practice these things. The problem is that practicing at training is always different to a real game situation. Fatigue, Pressure can do funny things to players, some handle it much better than others.
It's just footy, bad day yesterday kicking for goal.

To put a little context on it. The Pies who are the best side in the league have kicked 162-153 for the year so they miss almost every second shot.
We have kicked 126-136 so we miss a little over every second shot.
Not a great deal of difference.
That doesn't make it right but it's where the modern game is unfortunately.

depressing but you are right.

 

[Scotland]

That goes to prove that our kicking for goal s crap and nothing is being done to fix the problem.
Stop the dribble kicks and kicks around the corner until they improve their accuracy from in front.

Archer Reid missed a set shot I could've kicked. Can't blame that on lairising. We did miss a few from players taking selfish options, though.

Pains me to say it but yesterday we did a lot right, and still lost to a poor team who played poorly. That's where we are at talent wise. It's frustrating that we are poor conversion, dumb mistakes, a 10 minute patch etc. away from winning games but it is preferable to losing by 100 7 times in two years.

There is the age old argument about how many players from the worst team (us) would get a game for the best team (currently Collingwood) but there's also the uncomfortable truth that we're at the bottom because a few of our players would be lucky to get a game anywhere. We had 2 x MSD picks in the team with Hutchinson and Maric, 1 x SSP pick in Brock, rookie list pick ups like Dewar and Edwards etc. Plus we have guys like Hunt, Graham, Brockman, Flynn who are cheap recruits. It's not a list anyone froths over as brimming with elite talent. We're still in that zone where players are going to play 10, 15, 20 games and then find themselves battling to stay on the list. Which is harsh but that's footy and we're 1-12.

Not sure if it's a positive or negative but we're on track to be one of the better performed teams with 1 or 2 wins. Freo 2001 fumbled their way into losing winnable games (NFW they are actually worse than us, not possible) and finished 2-20 with a percentage of 72. Generally if a team only wins 1 or 2 games it is because they are getting pumped week in week out. I'd love it if we could get our percentage over 70 by the end of the year.

 

[Elite Pete]

10 players on our list who would likely get games at another club is about half what you need to have an AFL quality list.

That’s top 8 teams.

Membrey is playing for the flag favs and kicking goals. He wouldn’t play for us imo.

Owies played in a final last year.

Graham has won flags

It’s not a great way to value a list as every team has holes. How goes Kelly look in a good team?

Our list is also young so that list should grow a lot once the players get to the 22-24yo.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Geez I'm still so disappointed, even after stepping away from it for a day.

Positives

• So many, we smashed them and should have won by 10 goals. We made North, who are years ahead of us in their rebuild & with SO much first round talent look pathetic for 3.5 quarters
• Players have bought into the gameplan & coaches direction - our pressure was immense.
• 63 inside 50s! Massive & 22 more than North
• 81 tackles with 23 of them i50
• Broke even with center clearances & contested possessions
• Hewett & Brockman are pure class & having breakout seasons.
• Really impressive games from Hough, Baker, Edwards, Dewar.
• HReid was good without being at his best

Negatives

• Missed our opportunities and could not capitalise on our dominance - 1.13 is horrific.
• Only scoring 6 goals from our 63 i50s says we weren't coping with Norths flooding back.
• Kept North in the game and gave it up when they took momentum in the last.
• Giving away frees that handed North easy goals.

 

[Lazzas]

Geez I'm still so disappointed, even after stepping away from it for a day.

Positives

• So many, we smashed them and should have won by 10 goals. We made North, who are years ahead of us in their rebuild & with SO much first round talent look pathetic for 3.5 quarters
• Players have bought into the gameplan & coaches direction - our pressure was immense.
• 63 inside 50s! Massive & 22 more than North
• 81 tackles with 23 of them i50
• Broke even with center clearances & contested possessions
• Hewett & Brockman are pure class & having breakout seasons.
• Really impressive games from Hough, Baker, Edwards, Dewar.
• HReid was good without being at his best

Negatives

• Missed our opportunities and could not capitalise on our dominance - 1.13 is horrific.
• Only scoring 6 goals from our 63 i50s says we weren't coping with Norths flooding back.
• Kept North in the game and gave it up when they took momentum in the last.
• Giving away frees that handed North easy goals.

How many of the missed shots at goals were talking shots from bad positions and how many were missed because of between the ears ? Do you estimate

 

[Elite Pete]

How many of the missed shots at goals were talking shots from bad positions and how many were missed because of between the ears ? Do you estimate