Autopsy Round 15, 2019: Hawks kick themselves out of it against the Eagles

[Maybloomer]

Constantly surprises me how players like Cegs and many others in the AFL have terrible kicks. There’s no fluency, he doesn’t kick through it, nor extend the legs when he does kick it. Surely with the amount of coaching they get he’d have improved. Or perhaps they think it’s fine

It beggars belief how bad the kicking for goal is these days. The media should be highlighting it every time but it almost seems acceptable. I certainly had no faith in any of the kicks at goal today and don’t get me started on the sideways rubbish on a slight angle.
Bad kicking has cost us more this year than people realise.

 

[JoeHawk]

Constantly surprises me how players like Cegs and many others in the AFL have terrible kicks. There’s no fluency, he doesn’t kick through it, nor extend the legs when he does kick it. Surely with the amount of coaching they get he’d have improved. Or perhaps they think it’s fine

I know. They basically have one job to to.......it’s called FOOTBALL.

 

[killerspud]

When you are getting smacked in the clearances it’s hard to win possession of the footy to play said possession football. To say locking down the game plan at the time we did we did with only a one point lead was stupid in my opinion. We aren’t a finals caliber team trying to stop a team smashing us in the guts in the fourth! I rather us have a crack and attack and lose then try think we are the same team that could win clearances and chip it around for the last ten minutes because we are not!

Our teams future is full of if’s. If we have Mitchell and he can replicate his form off a terrible injury. If we can get cognilio. But we don’t think of what happens if the production quality of McEvoy decreases. We’ve spent a year where Breust and Gunston can’t get a look in. People need to stop looking at age as what determines output like Henderson, who has blown everyone’s mind with his out put. I feel like we have more on the decline then we can bring in on the incline. I don’t give a **** that west coast is the reigning premiers and we gave them a go. Read what their fans think of the game for an opinion. We can’t bury teams when we should against a Team playing interstate shot with injuries letting nick Nat have a decent crack at us at his lowest form.

It is ok to be negative I’ve followed the club through thick and thin no matter what. Our draw is difficult extremely difficult. We’re shot. I understand the club topping up to stay competitive but as we expect to add players do we consider the decrease talent of some players? Frawley killed today but how will he shape next year? Think about Burgoyne retiring? We are a leaky ship with a 10mm home trying to fix it with 2mm plugs!

Tom Mitchell

 

[MasterSamurai]

Yep. Remember it clearly. Was on Level 3 overlooking it. The boundary in front didn’t call it, yet the one with x-ray vision behind Sicily did. He was away too.

I’ll patiently sit here and wait for the Frawley knockers to come forward and have another crack at him. Kennedy had zero impact yet again.

Both 3AW and ABC gave Darling top votes. Symptomatic of commentators just looking at the stats because all they did was rabbit on about his five goals. Two very very cheap goals over the back, plus one very dubious free kick right in front of goal. Shuey and Gaff were far better, as was Hurn and Liam Ryan.

Connor Nash competed very well today.

Connor Glass is a pretty good player when he just focuses on the footy. His natural instinct seems to be to get it and go. Irishmen as a rule seem to be good ball players, but not great defensively. He’s poor when he’s asked to do anything else.

I never took much notice of Scully at Melbourne or Inner Western Sydney. He runs around a lot but doesn’t have much genuine impact. Is that his go ?

A bit vanilla

 

[Alite]

For those wondering why our forward line functioned a bit better today, it’s because we had Nash playing.

Nash’s importance in Ollie’s goal is underestimated, he draws two defenders to the arial contest and then taps it down to Ollie who is free as a result.

Nash’s arial contest work today was brilliant, having Nash or Lewis in our forward line makes such a difference structurally.

Was clearly Nash’s best game. Was a spoiling tall in the forward line and he hit his tackles. Nash has much to improve on but today he was OK.

 

[Alite]

As good as Cegs was to take those marks in the forwardline, if he continues to pull his kicks to the left... the marks mean nothing.

 

[Alite]

Yep. Remember it clearly. Was on Level 3 overlooking it. The boundary in front didn’t call it, yet the one with x-ray vision behind Sicily did. He was away too.

I’ll patiently sit here and wait for the Frawley knockers to come forward and have another crack at him. Kennedy had zero impact yet again.

Both 3AW and ABC gave Darling top votes. Symptomatic of commentators just looking at the stats because all they did was rabbit on about his five goals. Two very very cheap goals over the back, plus one very dubious free kick right in front of goal. Shuey and Gaff were far better, as was Hurn and Liam Ryan.

Connor Nash competed very well today.

Connor Glass is a pretty good player when he just focuses on the footy. His natural instinct seems to be to get it and go. Irishmen as a rule seem to be good ball players, but not great defensively. He’s poor when he’s asked to do anything else.

I never took much notice of Scully at Melbourne or Inner Western Sydney. He runs around a lot but doesn’t have much genuine impact. Is that his go ?

Scully is like Bradley Hill. Maligned in a loss and loved in a win.
I would love to see the Hawks with Henderson, Hill, Scully and Smith on the outside. And then Mitchell, Cogs, Worpel and O’Mera on the inside.
With this set up from the midfield the ball would be presented on a platter to the forwards.

Control the centre and you control the game.

 

[Alite]

Hanrahan has speed. His speed should = tackles. Hanrahan had Zero tackles.
Please send him back to Box Hill and make him a tagger with 10+ tackles. I love what he can bring but without tackles he is a liability. So make him better.

 

[Flamin Joe]

Hanrahan has speed. His speed should = tackles. Hanrahan had Zero tackles.
Please send him back to Box Hill and make him a tagger with 10+ tackles. I love what he can bring but without tackles he is a liability. So make him better.

Dumping him back to the VFL after one game serves no purpose. This is well and truly a development year so there is no harm in giving him a run of games in the seniors. He needs to be allowed to adjust to the quicker pace and see if he can take that next step.

 

[tige19]

I hope Clarko is legitimately getting his shovel out for a genuine clean out, hope to see a ruthless and unforgiving off-season. It’s so painful watching guys like Cegs and even Jags line up for goal, there is absolutely no fluency or structure in the way they go about it.

Tell me.. why wouldn’t the club engage JD to spend a day or 2 a week sorting out these blokes set shots? We literally have one of the, if not the greatest set shot at goal at our finger tips and we’re not utilising him. Cegs is so frustrating, pointless having him as the key forward /2nd ruck if he can’t kick goals.

 

[RobHawk]

Seems it’s still not good enough

That's rich coming from fox footy. The only time I don't suffer footy on fox is when I watch it in silence.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Agreed with most of what you say other than on the injury list. Many of the contenders are worse off than us but are coping better as their list of younger players are more mature (think Sier)
I see this year as an opportunity to build our list’s depth for a time when we are contending. Getting senior games into Worpel, Moore, Nash, Cousins, Morrison, Miles, Hanrahan, Glass, Lewis, Scrimshaw and hopefully CJ will mature our list for a time when if one soldier goes down another can come in and the Hawks not have a drop off in performance.

I agree all teams have injuries. I was referring to the inconsistency in our injuries. 1 week on, 1 off, multiple in game etc.
It's better to have season ending injuries from a consistency POV

 

[Gralin]

I hope Clarko is legitimately getting his shovel out for a genuine clean out, hope to see a ruthless and unforgiving off-season. It’s so painful watching guys like Cegs and even Jags line up for goal, there is absolutely no fluency or structure in the way they go about it.

Tell me.. why wouldn’t the club engage JD to spend a day or 2 a week sorting out these blokes set shots? We literally have one of the, if not the greatest set shot at goal at our finger tips and we’re not utilising him. Cegs is so frustrating, pointless having him as the key forward /2nd ruck if he can’t kick goals.

Didn't he try and "fix" Buddy early on?

Pretty sure I remember him being asked in the past when we've had goal kicking woes and he said teaching others how to kick for goal once they are on an AFL list is more about getting them a routine than anything because trying to change how they kick usually makes it worse, like with Buddy, best thing was just to let him do what he does

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It’s not technique with Cegs, it’s above the shoulders.

 

[TazHawk15]

I hope Clarko is legitimately getting his shovel out for a genuine clean out, hope to see a ruthless and unforgiving off-season. It’s so painful watching guys like Cegs and even Jags line up for goal, there is absolutely no fluency or structure in the way they go about it.

Tell me.. why wouldn’t the club engage JD to spend a day or 2 a week sorting out these blokes set shots? We literally have one of the, if not the greatest set shot at goal at our finger tips and we’re not utilising him. Cegs is so frustrating, pointless having him as the key forward /2nd ruck if he can’t kick goals.

Here I was thinking you would be pleased.

We should have beat the Reigning Premiers with a side you called on selection night “basically playing 3 players down”, imagine what we could have done if we had played 22 players.

 

[MinerBoy]

Plenty of people upstairs


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[tige19]

Didn't he try and "fix" Buddy early on?

Pretty sure I remember him being asked in the past when we've had goal kicking woes and he said teaching others how to kick for goal once they are on an AFL list is more about getting them a routine than anything because trying to change how they kick usually makes it worse, like with Buddy, best thing was just to let him do what he does

Yeah, what I am saying is not to touch the mechanics but the actual process leading up to the shot. How far to go back, what to aim for, where you go from walk to build up, how to follow through and keep your head over the footy before looking up.

David Flood was no elite forward, but Jesus I remember working with him for hours on routine and it was the best thing for me.. A good teach can break your approach down to the most simplest form, it doesn’t look like our guys really have that. Especially looking at Jags, his set shots are just to trot back, look around, hold the ball all over the place and trot in to kick with a ball drop that comes from his hips.

Gunno has a great routine, I think his issues are certainly not mechanical or process related, same with Punky.

Anyway, it would be great for some specialist training to take place. There’s nothing more soul destroying than to work your ring off for your teammate to get a very very gettable shot on goal only to fluff it time and again.

 

[tige19]

Here I was thinking you would be pleased.

We should have beat the Reigning Premiers with a side you called on selection night “basically playing 3 players down”, imagine what we could have done if we had played 22 players.

I am pleased, check my post after the game.. no complaints from me in terms of effort that’s for sure.

Nash was good in the 1st qtr but was basically MIA for the rest of the game, Moore had no impact, Glass had no impact, Gunno battled (although at times he looked really dangerous).

Overall I was really pleased with how we attacked the game, but I haven’t changed my opinion that our last 5-6 in our 22 are totally out of their depth at the elite level.

 

[TazHawk15]

Anyway, it would be great for some specialist training to take place. There’s nothing more soul destroying than to work your ring off for your teammate to get a very very gettable shot on goal only to fluff it time and again.

I think we should employ Stratton,Nash and Will Langford as our set shot kicking for goal coaches.

On a serious note I agree with you, nothing deflates a team like missing simple goals.

However you can’t help feel proud yesterday as about 10 bloody times yesterday we would have been deflated, yet we continued to fight.

 

[TazHawk15]

I am pleased, check my post after the game.. no complaints from me in terms of effort that’s for sure.

Nash was good in the 1st qtr but was basically MIA for the rest of the game, Moore had no impact, Glass had no impact, Gunno battled (although at times he looked really dangerous).

Overall I was really pleased with how we attacked the game, but I haven’t changed my opinion that our last 5-6 in our 22 are totally out of their depth at the elite level.

I agree and while I was barracking my heart out I know deep down the best result for us as a club is to finish as low as possible, I even dream of pick 2 to snare Anderson.

It’s the ultimate dilemma, preying the Hawks win but knowing finishing as low as possible is the best outcome for us.

 

[PT Bar None]

It's almost like the fact that it's winter and everyone thinks the standard of footy and umpiring is ****, plus the farce that is the goal review system might have people deciding to do something else with their time

There were definitely multiple occurrences in the first half of me imagining a public house with an open fire and comfortable armchair.

 

[William Wonka]

Hawfies? That's not a name we use around here

 

[Pessimistic]

Not a real comfortable day in the outer. Maybe the Kane Cornes Experience is onto something with this fairweather stuff?

Love Impey. Love, love, love, love, love! Bloke has no fear and no quit in him.

Thought Cegs did brilliantly taking, what, four marks inside 50 on a really awful day for marking. Sadly greasy, blustery conditions make kicking tough for lanky ruckmen.

The Smith 50 was a pure professional foul. Got caught. Valid call. If Dangerwood did the same thing against us I would be apoplectic. Fairs fair.

We did some good things.

Scully looks like he still doesn't quite trust his leg for high energy turns (IMHO). That's fair enough. He'll be better next season.

Hendo just runs and runs and runs.

Burgers is practically Hodge at this point.

Hug cam, Simba cam, Floss cam, Dance cam. Yeesh!

At least they canned the canned cheering after a goal

 

[Pessimistic]

Hanrahan has speed. His speed should = tackles. Hanrahan had Zero tackles.
Please send him back to Box Hill and make him a tagger with 10+ tackles. I love what he can bring but without tackles he is a liability. So make him better.

I suppose thats the thing with late pick projects. Theres almost a dozen youngsters on our list with one or two weapons but need the all round game improvement. For mine the biggest ‘potential’ is nash. Hopefully a few will get there

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Yeah, what I am saying is not to touch the mechanics but the actual process leading up to the shot. How far to go back, what to aim for, where you go from walk to build up, how to follow through and keep your head over the footy before looking up.

David Flood was no elite forward, but Jesus I remember working with him for hours on routine and it was the best thing for me.. A good teach can break your approach down to the most simplest form, it doesn’t look like our guys really have that. Especially looking at Jags, his set shots are just to trot back, look around, hold the ball all over the place and trot in to kick with a ball drop that comes from his hips.

Gunno has a great routine, I think his issues are certainly not mechanical or process related, same with Punky.

Anyway, it would be great for some specialist training to take place. There’s nothing more soul destroying than to work your ring off for your teammate to get a very very gettable shot on goal only to fluff it time and again.

We had a guy called David Rath that was a bio mechanics expert among other things and I don't think we ever replaced him. Rath was responsible for the goal kicking techniques of most of our four time premiership forwards.
My gripe is that while we applaud Cegs for his work as a resting ruckman playing forward, he should in the true scheme of things be at best our third marking option as a forward. Our forward setup is not what it should be. If the blueprint or gold standard was Budd, Rough and Hale as go to tall options then Hale was the third tall bailout option as Cegs would be if he was playing back in the day. Fast forward to yesterday we mostly had a resting ruck as the focal marking forward with the second tall being a tall pressure athlete in Nash. No wonder guys like Breust who is playing less attacking more defensive forward than in the past and Gunston are easier to lockdown on.
Failure to have the right structural players in place have had such an impact on the way our forward line functions. Much maligned Shoey straightened us up at a time when it was he, Rough and a resting ruck up forward.
Yes conversion is a problem from some with poor techniques but should a resting ruck be your go to big man at the end of the day.