Preview Round 15: Changes v Carlton

[Old navy]

And Cripps is such a good kick too.....

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d2=2&type=A&pid1=3930&pid2=3940&fid1=S&fid2=S

When did I say anything about Cripps ? He isn't the best kick going around, but our midfielders aren't so similar, our key mids all offer something different and have a different game.
Murphy Gibbs and SPS are all very good with ball in hand and can hit the scoreboard regularly, it's all about trying to find that right blend of contested ball winners, classy ball uses and leg speed.

 

[Bicks]

I thought that too but looking at CD stats Atkins Knight and Milera have our midfielders best kicking efficiency % Atkins at 63.2 and Knight & Milera 73.3% the rest of our mids (apart from Sloane at 60%) kick at low 50%

And so they should, they're all outside mids in the main.

 

[Old navy]

Was actually just having a quick look at the stats from the game and Laird is recorded as having DE =87% from 28 touches, but with 7 turnovers. If a full quarter of his touches were turnovers, how is his DE so high... am I missing something? Anyone?

I'm really not sure how they work out DE, even Atkins was listed as having 28 possessions 21 kicks 7 handballs @57%DE with 12 turnovers , never put that much stock in DE%, think the eye test can tell you way more, I can definitely tell when a player is regularly coughing up the footy and making poor decisions under very little pressure, I've seen enough of it over the last few years at my own club.

 

[King Elvis]

I would drop;

Jacobs
Kelly
Ottens
Beech
Douglas


And I'd consider dropping Charlie and one of Atkins/Smith.

We need to make sweeping changes NOW - we can salvage this season if we have the courage to do so.

But we probably don't - so it'll be another wasted season, where we go close, but it just slips through our fingers; yet again.

 

[King Elvis]

Milera on the edge too.

 

[Footypie32]

Give Poholke a run.

 

[1990crow]

I can't believe I'm seriously worried we will lose to Carlton at this rate. Pyke is probably our worst coach since Shaw!

Out: Beech (no where near good enough), Otten (probably cost us 3-4 goals on the weekend), Kelly (spoiling his own team mates and kicking backwards at every opportunity), Hartigan (incapable of showing any composure), Douglas (not doing enough with the ball)
In: McGovern (ridiculous he didn't play), Menzel, Doedee (we can't wait any longer), Keath (potential gun ala Greenwood don't wait too long), Seedsman (need him in)

Rockets also need to be sent to the following about their recent performance:

Talia, Cameron, Lynch, Smith, B.Crouch (zero intensity), Sloane (needs to learn to deal with a tag and do something different to get the ball), Atkins.. what the hell Rory, Betts.. needs to lift.


Brown ~ Keath ~ Lever
Laird ~ Talia ~ Doedee
Smith ~ Sloane ~ Seedsman
Jacobs ~ M.Crouch ~ Greenwood
Lynch ~ Walker ~ Cameron
Betts ~ Jenkins ~ McGovern
Milera ~ Atkins ~ B.Crouch
Menzel

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Caller on 5aa right now is spot on.

Thommo has to come in, with one of the main roles being to protect Sloane.

 

[MRB37]

Caller on 5aa right now is spot on.

Thommo has to come in, with one of the main roles being to protect Sloane.

Campo hasn't shown much interest in using anyone to protect Sloane, so why would he suddenly decide to do it now?

If they pick Thommo I doubt it'll be to help Sloane but with the expectation that he picks up the extra work Sloane isn't doing in the middle.

 

[Red mist]

There will be an over correction with the aggression and we will give away silly frees against Carlton.

 

[1970crow]

Especially give the amount of F50's we had and many of these were to good areas, just Otten couldn't get to the right position due to his lack of pace. At least Gov would've made a contest and if it was brought to ground would've made it a little harder for the Hawks to clear it.

Otten had plenty of ball directed his way but he wzs just really bad. He'd been ok prior, but was absolutely woeful on Thursday night. Him or JJ must go.

 

[Tex Danger]

There will be an over correction with the aggression and we will give away silly frees against Carlton.

The thing is I think we tried to address it this week. Early they seemed to be on edge, occasional push and shove off the ball etc.

Problem was...
1. It completely wore off fast
2. When we looked like we were trying to we (a) we're completely ineffective in implementing it and (b) it distracted us from our game and a number of times we looked as if we second guessed if we try make body contact or hunt the ball 1st and ended up being in the middle and doing neither

 

[ad victoriam]

Caller on 5aa right now is spot on.

Thommo has to come in, with one of the main roles being to protect Sloane.

The problem is Thommo is an inside mid only, it is our outside mids that are causing concern our 3 best players on Thursday are the only player Thommo could replace. in Matt and Brad Crouch, Greenwood or Sloane, he cannot play any other position.
Also, I Have not seen Thommo play the enforcer role effectively.
And to be Honest Elite Players work thru tags

 

[1970crow]

Caller on 5aa right now is spot on.

Thommo has to come in, with one of the main roles being to protect Sloane.

That caller was a complete moron. Thommo just gets brushed past. Perhaps watch a few games round 7 onwards last year. We'd be significantly worse with Thommo and Sloane would be no better protected. Thinking Thommo can do anything but have the ball directed to him is pretty stupid. His old body has given up the ghost. Can't even crack 30 in the SANFL as a full time stoppage mid. We keep 20 year olds at that level for months even when averaging mid 30's. He's finished and a liability at both levels. Just costing valuable midfiekd development time these days.

 

[marty36]

The problem is Thommo is an inside mid only, it is our outside mids that are causing concern our 3 best players on Thursday are the only player Thommo could replace. in Matt and Brad Crouch, Greenwood or Sloane, he cannot play any other position.
Also, I Have not seen Thommo play the enforcer role effectively.
And to be Honest Elite Players work thru tags

Then he should play move Sloane to an outside mid he is doing nothing inside Carlton have the best tagger in the game ATM Sloane is screwed or is this the week he learns how to play with a tag


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[Red mist]

The thing is I think we tried to address it this week. Early they seemed to be on edge, occasional push and shove off the ball etc.

Problem was...
1. It completely wore off fast
2. When we looked like we were trying to we (a) we're completely ineffective in implementing it and (b) it distracted us from our game and a number of times we looked as if we second guessed if we try make body contact or hunt the ball 1st and ended up being in the middle and doing neither

Something that's not natural to them but forced.

 

[footy4ever]

There will be an over correction with the aggression and we will give away silly frees against Carlton.

This, I can see it now.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

In: Thompson

Ragdolled around the contest. Weak as piss. I don't care about his short comings. We need Thommo.

He's too slow and too old. In the modern game you need all your players to have mobility. You can maybe make an exception with the ruck but even that's starting to change now.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Out: Jenkins, Douglas, Kelly, smith, brown (ink)

In: mcg, doedee, knight, cheney, poholke

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Out: Jenkins, Douglas, Kelly, smith, brown (ink)

In: mcg, doedee, knight, cheney, poholke

I think we need a big wake up call selection. Minimum chips of 5 changes. And 1 or 2 golden tickets to be revoked.

I would keep JJ in though. I think he's unfairly maligned and again was our best big forward against the Hawks (compared to Walker and Otten)

 

[marty36]

Out: Jenkins, Douglas, Kelly, smith, brown (ink)

In: mcg, doedee, knight, cheney, poholke

I still want to win you know it's not rebuild time yet


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[ad victoriam]

Then he should play move Sloane to an outside mid he is doing nothing inside Carlton have the best tagger in the game ATM Sloane is screwed or is this the week he learns how to play with a tag


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To be Honest this week we need to see something from Sloane,
One thing in his favour they have been move to defence for long periods, unfortunately Liard did not take advantage of the move on Thursday

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Caller on 5aa right now is spot on.

Thommo has to come in, with one of the main roles being to protect Sloane.

We used to complain that no one did anything to help Dangerfield when he was being tagged, which was when Thommo was there.

Thommo was a great player but he wasn't a teamwork player. He was out there to win as much of the footy as he could.

 

[marty36]

We used to complain that no one did anything to help Dangerfield when he was being tagged, which was when Thommo was there.

Thommo was a great player but he wasn't a teamwork player. He was out there to win as much of the footy as he could.

This call of protecting Sloane is ridiculous we as supporters will be critical of a player getting 15 to 20 possessions whilst he was spending his time trying to look after someone

Players have their own games they can't and will not sacrifice them unless it is to go head to head with the oppositions best


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[Scorpus]

I can't believe I'm seriously worried we will lose to Carlton at this rate. Pyke is probably our worst coach since Shaw!
??
Out: Beech (no where near good enough), Otten (probably cost us 3-4 goals on the weekend), Kelly (spoiling his own team mates and kicking backwards at every opportunity), Hartigan (incapable of showing any composure), Douglas (not doing enough with the ball)
In: McGovern (ridiculous he didn't play), Menzel, Doedee (we can't wait any longer), Keath (potential gun ala Greenwood don't wait too long), Seedsman (need him in)

Rockets also need to be sent to the following about their recent performance:

Talia, Cameron, Lynch, Smith, B.Crouch (zero intensity), Sloane (needs to learn to deal with a tag and do something different to get the ball), Atkins.. what the hell Rory, Betts.. needs to lift.


Brown ~ Keath ~ Lever
Laird ~ Talia ~ Doedee
Smith ~ Sloane ~ Seedsman
Jacobs ~ M.Crouch ~ Greenwood
Lynch ~ Walker ~ Cameron
Betts ~ Jenkins ~ McGovern
Milera ~ Atkins ~ B.Crouch
Menzel

Sanderson was far worse than Pyke. Was clueless on game day, with his game plan, with selection, with development and with skills training.