Autopsy Round 15 - Collingwood v St Kilda

[saintbill]

I think Michael voss might be available.

Lets get it done

 

[AirWinmar]

That goes directly against what Lyon has said about King all year.

Marshall was touch and go for round 1. There were track watches telling us he was in training for a good few weeks prior.

Didn't King injur himself in the pre season game where he looked proppy af. Marshall could barely break out of a jog or jump the 1st 2 or 3 games

 

[stavro#4]

Didn't King injur himself in the pre season game where he looked proppy af. Marshall could barely break out of a jog or jump the 1st 2 or 3 games

King got injured at training.

Didn’t even make the practice games.

 

[Simon Templar]

I dunno, we are all over the shop this season. I accept that we are probably a bottom four team this years but unlike the other three North, Richmond & West Coast we are capable of beating almost any team on our good days.

I really don't think the coaching staff is getting the best from our list. Enright, Harvey, Bolton & Lyon etc... On paper that's a great looking coaching line-up... Robert Harvey is my all time favourite footballer & I cried when he went to Collingwood to coach & jizzed my pants when he return the the Saints. But FMD... In my view, these four coaches aren't bringing us the rewards our list deserves.

Sure, we have some huge holes in our list... what team would trade in Steele, Hill, Byrnes, Jones, McCrae, Butler or Clark? All too old or too shite. It took two years on our list to work out Keeler was actually ok as a footballer. Lyon was called a genius about how he handled Garcia but where is Garcia now?

Why is Hill still being picked? Probably the softest AFL player I've ever witnessed. I bet he never buys a round of drinks in the pub. He is the type that goes to the toilet when it's his shout. I was calling for his head 3 years ago & he's still going down(hill).

We don't seem to have any on field leadership, apart from the backline. Webster & Wilkie are rocks. Steele is as hard as a cats head but lacks polish. Steele has put his all into this team & invested everything he has but he's not an elite player. We wish he was a Matty Rowel or Tom Green

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Tom Green

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

but alas he's not, he's Giants reject.

 

[akaifu]

In three years time once Philipou, Travaglia, Hugo Garcia, Boxshall and Wilson are playing full time on ball (and another 2-3 first round picks drafted) does anyone think Windhager is anywhere remotely in the 23?

Can't find any role without being a tagger. Perhaps he becomes a winger? I can't see him playing on ball if he isn't a tagger. he's not a fwd/back and can't kick for s***t...

Wing is the spot for him imo. His biggest weapon is his aerobic capacity and his power so he can win those contests between the arcs

Lots think he's a small defender but I think LOC and Stocker will have those roles in the future. LOC has the extra height to be able to intercept in the air and potentially play tall when required

 

[Simon Templar]

Ryan Byrnes

13

Ryan Byrnes

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

MG

1.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

1.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

MG

1.0

1star

(Monty).

A very maligned player by most on here...

I don't think much of him, as a player, myself but I'm kinda disturbed about the amount of HATE bestowed on him from many on this forum.

He's a dump f*ck... a panic merchant... He's our peanut player. Our monkey... we pay him **** all but we get more for our money than we do with many other players on our list.

I heard, a couple of years ago, that Brad Hill was the Saints highest paid player... Probably BS, I dunno but I reckon Bynes is better value for money than many on our list.

Give the campaigner a break... he's not our worst by any parameter.

 

[SG34]

I dunno, we are all over the shop this season. I accept that we are probably a bottom four team this years but unlike the other three North, Richmond & West Coast we are capable of beating almost any team on our good days.

I really don't think the coaching staff is getting the best from our list. Enright, Harvey, Bolton & Lyon etc... On paper that's a great looking coaching line-up... Robert Harvey is my all time favourite footballer & I cried when he went to Collingwood to coach & jizzed my pants when he return the the Saints. But FMD... In my view, these four coaches aren't bringing us the rewards our list deserves.

Sure, we have some huge holes in our list... what team would trade in Steele, Hill, Byrnes, Jones, McCrae, Butler or Clark? All too old or too shite. It took two years on our list to work out Keeler was actually ok as a footballer. Lyon was called a genius about how he handled Garcia but where is Garcia now?

Why is Hill still being picked? Probably the softest AFL player I've ever witnessed. I bet he never buys a round of drinks in the pub. He is the type that goes to the toilet when it's his shout. I was calling for his head 3 years ago & he's still going down(hill).

We don't seem to have any on field leadership, apart from the backline. Webster & Wilkie are rocks. Steele is as hard as a cats head but lacks polish. Steele has put his all into this team & invested everything he has but he's not an elite player. We wish he was a Matty Rowel or Tom Green but alas he's not, he's Giants reject.

I feel your pain
Richmond and North have shown a bit and West Coast, I believe, may have already taken care of us.
Hill may be fading, but I don't agree that he's been downhill for three years. He was very good last year and played a part in our wins this year. He is a target for fan bashing. Byrnes is a goer, but yeah, McCrae can still be very handy. Steele, I don't know what to say. He is like McCrae, maybe? As for the coaching, well, they are clearly still trying to win. We are not tanking.

 

[MUFKilda]

I dunno, we are all over the shop this season. I accept that we are probably a bottom four team this years but unlike the other three North, Richmond & West Coast we are capable of beating almost any team on our good days.

I really don't think the coaching staff is getting the best from our list. Enright, Harvey, Bolton & Lyon etc... On paper that's a great looking coaching line-up... Robert Harvey is my all time favourite footballer & I cried when he went to Collingwood to coach & jizzed my pants when he return the the Saints. But FMD... In my view, these four coaches aren't bringing us the rewards our list deserves.

Sure, we have some huge holes in our list... what team would trade in Steele, Hill, Byrnes, Jones, McCrae, Butler or Clark? All too old or too shite. It took two years on our list to work out Keeler was actually ok as a footballer. Lyon was called a genius about how he handled Garcia but where is Garcia now?

Why is Hill still being picked? Probably the softest AFL player I've ever witnessed. I bet he never buys a round of drinks in the pub. He is the type that goes to the toilet when it's his shout. I was calling for his head 3 years ago & he's still going down(hill).

We don't seem to have any on field leadership, apart from the backline. Webster & Wilkie are rocks. Steele is as hard as a cats head but lacks polish. Steele has put his all into this team & invested everything he has but he's not an elite player. We wish he was a Matty Rowel or Tom Green but alas he's not, he's Giants reject.

Yeah, I’m a bit bemused on the other side of the world this year. I haven’t seen every game, but in those I have watched performances have been very unpredictable. Some weeks they look okay, the next it’s a hammering and they look lost.

The Collingwood performance and result exceeded my expectations. Expecting a hammering, I thought Saints competed well, though up against a much superior team. I think there is hope, but a long way to go. I don’t think Saints are a million miles away from the majority of the league. Just my humble opinion.

 

[austinnn]

Maybe if we had a midfield he wouldn't have to

Absolutely fair point

 

[austinnn]

I dunno, we are all over the shop this season. I accept that we are probably a bottom four team this years but unlike the other three North, Richmond & West Coast we are capable of beating almost any team on our good days.

I really don't think the coaching staff is getting the best from our list. Enright, Harvey, Bolton & Lyon etc... On paper that's a great looking coaching line-up... Robert Harvey is my all time favourite footballer & I cried when he went to Collingwood to coach & jizzed my pants when he return the the Saints. But FMD... In my view, these four coaches aren't bringing us the rewards our list deserves.

Sure, we have some huge holes in our list... what team would trade in Steele, Hill, Byrnes, Jones, McCrae, Butler or Clark? All too old or too shite. It took two years on our list to work out Keeler was actually ok as a footballer. Lyon was called a genius about how he handled Garcia but where is Garcia now?

Why is Hill still being picked? Probably the softest AFL player I've ever witnessed. I bet he never buys a round of drinks in the pub. He is the type that goes to the toilet when it's his shout. I was calling for his head 3 years ago & he's still going down(hill).

We don't seem to have any on field leadership, apart from the backline. Webster & Wilkie are rocks. Steele is as hard as a cats head but lacks polish. Steele has put his all into this team & invested everything he has but he's not an elite player. We wish he was a Matty Rowel or Tom Green but alas he's not, he's Giants reject.

Giants reject is a bit harsh. They didn't want to let him go and some of The Oranje would probably take him back now (for nothing).

I've never been a huge fan, but I'd say in a good team he'd probably be 3rd or 4th mid, like Andrew Thompson used to be for us, and in a premiership team probably on the fringe. And yes I did use to say exactly the same about Seb Ross. We have been excellent at drafting that grade of player, the 2nd rung, the guys that smash the VFL then come back and have serviceable games in the seniors. We have been unable to find the top level players that the guys we picked would be supporting, and that's why we are where we are.

 

[Jayman15]

Kingy on First Crack

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I've never been a huge fan, but I'd say in a good team he'd probably be 3rd or 4th mid, like Andrew Thompson used to be for us, and in a premiership team probably on the fringe.

Thompson could spread though, steele can't really. At his best he used to get back to help out the defence, but those days are long gone. Steele is either inside mid or bust. Windhager gives me much more thompson vibes

 

[Mick F]

In three years time once Philipou, Travaglia, Hugo Garcia, Boxshall and Wilson are playing full time on ball (and another 2-3 first round picks drafted) does anyone think Windhager is anywhere remotely in the 23?

Can't find any role without being a tagger. Perhaps he becomes a winger? I can't see him playing on ball if he isn't a tagger. he's not a fwd/back and can't kick for s***t...

Always been an avenue for seconds players to get a few senior games. Their careers don’t tend to be long. Try that rubbish in local footy and see how long you last.

 

[Poiter57]

Haven’t seen a fight at the footy all year and saw a couple tonight. I wonder what the common denominator was?

Loved it.about time!

 

[JimmyR20]

In: Garcia
Out: Byrne's

In: Boxshall
Out: Pou

In: Hastie
Out: Webster

 

[Poiter57]

So a question around the tagger. Is it also allowable to scrag or impede the tagger by other players to support their player being tagged? Or are the umpires too focused on the original tag role and ignore anything that happens to a tagger?

Like the knees in the ribs and bum of Windy when he's on the ground.

 

[Poiter57]

Saints have gotta appeal that fine on Windhager even if it costs more that the fine.

fn ridiculous

Fend off?

 

[SaintersUnite]

If I get one more Acer pop up ad on this website I’m going to throw my phone across the ****ing room.

 

[saintbill]

Always been an avenue for seconds players to get a few senior games. Their careers don’t tend to be long. Try that rubbish in local footy and see how long you last.

What utter nonsense. Cameron Ling and Kane Cornes carved out pretty decent careers.

Incredible how sensitive your mob are after your little golden boy copped a tag.

FMD, it's AFL ffs. Good players get tagged. Has been happening for 100 years.

I would deadset suggest give up supporting the game in favor of golf or tennis if poor little Nicky coping a tag makes you upset.

 

[saintbill]

Kingy on First Crack

That's it!!!

Absolute storm in a tea cup

What a absolute joke. In 120 minutes of footage Windy grabbed his wrist a couple of times?

This is dead set one of the dumbest takes I have ever heard.

 

[karaoke]

Few with short memories of Steele’s career in RWB.

88 Brownlow total votes over his career - #10 for all Sainters.

Let’s not use current form (age does catch up with us all), to define a career & what he has provided to us over his time at StK.

 

[BrutThough]

Kingy on First Crack

The media arent helping his reputation of being soft by carrying on about this.

 

[The Punter]

Always been an avenue for seconds players to get a few senior games. Their careers don’t tend to be long. Try that rubbish in local footy and see how long you last.

Shoo.

 

[The Punter]

We were better.

Caminiti is still worth persisting with, but at this stage, he's an uncomplicated footballer. We can't expect him to make complex onfield decisions. But the defence remains an issue - we are just conceding too much score. Previously (and this year again versus Fremantle) we were able to strangle ball movement. Just can't seem to do it any more.

 

[Saintbloke]

We were better.

Caminiti is still worth persisting with, but at this stage, he's an uncomplicated footballer. We can't expect him to make complex onfield decisions. But the defence remains an issue - we are just conceding too much score. Previously (and this year again versus Fremantle) we were able to strangle ball movement. Just can't seem to do it any more.

Caminiti will only get better with experience, but our defence, no matter who plays there, suffers from poor defensive work from the midfield and forwards which just puts too much pressure back on them- add to that our inability to mark the long ball coming out of defence. Part of this is tactical, and a lack of team discipline, as it is annoying, not just in this game, but many, to see our players all rush to forward of the ball in stoppages and contests generally, and we saw how the Pies exploited the lack of protection on the defensive side of contests including centre bounces. This has been going on for a while and doesn't seem to be getting addressed by Lyon and his mates in the coaching box.