Review Round 15 - Essendon vs GWS Giants, Thursday 27th June, Marvel Stadium, 7.20pm

fridgeman

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No surprises with the umpiring we all know how a lack of training and money invested into that part of the game goes at AFL house and it will be interesting to see the media over it in the next few days and how the vic bias is linked in or more likely not
The coaches and players comments will be interesting and it is not an excuse for the loss as Essendon took their chances and we didn’t and the Essendon mids did a good job around the contest and fought to the end
The stage was their for one of the giants match winners to step up and no one could but now a review of the game with some thins to work on and the next game v the lions will be a big challenge and it makes the next 5 games must wins to try to get the top 2 as another loss will make that out of reach and will put doubt on top 4
 

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Commiserations Giants fans.

Absolutely robbed by the umps getting caught up in the theater of it all.

Hard to remember such an avalanche of frees and dodgy decisions having such an influence on a match.

The bald headed flog was the worst
Just a pathetic display from umpires, smacked of no repercussions due to small support at ground..
If that was Collingwood or Richmond god help the AFL ..but GWS...oh well bombers are the story!
Worst stitch up I ever seen!
 

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Just a pathetic display from umpires, smacked of no repercussions due to small support at ground..
If that was Collingwood or Richmond god help the AFL ..but GWS...oh well bombers are the story!
Worst stitch up I ever seen!
If it was Pies or Tigers, they would have needed 40,000 Security staff to eject the all conscientious objectors after the bald headed flog pointed at them.

That's if they could find them after they tore the stands down.
 

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Well you can thank the umpires for costing you this game. The baldy umpire has cost the Suns at least 3 games this year
It’s Nichols.
I said earlier he would’ve been working out who he hated more. Essendon or the Giants.
Haven’t seen the last quarter but It sounds like he chose.
He’s the one that cost us the prelim against the dogs in 2016.
 

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That's a third consecutive away game; Adelaide, Hobart, Melbourne. How often does that happen? Will be nice to get home support for a game.
 

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Again the loss of the speedy Scully and Shiel stood out tonight. Tomlinson and Perryman on the wings now is hardly like for like.

Leg speed remains a real issue though the middle of the ground. Accentuated by Mummy moving about as fast as the QEII.

Whitfield back will help. Hopefully next week.
 

Eagleboy68

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Commisserations guys.
That was an absolute stitch up by the VFL.
clear bias shown with Essendon getting 20 free kicks in a row not to mention the touched goal.

I know how it feels to be on the receiving end of bulls**t bias by the Victorian umpiring fraternity

It's time for neutral umpires.
 

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Again the loss of the speedy Scully and Shiel stood out tonight. Tomlinson and Perryman on the wings now is hardly like for like.

Leg speed remains a real issue though the middle of the ground. Accentuated by Mummy moving about as fast as the QEII.

Whitfield back will help. Hopefully next week.
Tommo had a good game tbh, Harry is still a work in progress. Mummy was putrid
 

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There was a really good question asked at the presser re Josh Kelly and whether he is more value in the centre clearances or out.

Personally I don't think he's a very good centre square player (and I didn't think he had a great game tonight despite the stats).

I'd rather put Perryman in the guts to get the aggot out. Particularly with Cal on the sidelines.
 

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Think the last couple of pages here says it all. 29 - 14 and how many given in the last q in a row and the obvious ones missed. There was a stat of the free kicks at one stage that showed Ess maybe 14 - 11 l think. Nicholls, you are the worst umpire ever.
 

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That was hard to watch as a neutral probably the worst umpired game I've ever seen particularly the second half. The commentary was nearly just as biased for not calling the umps dodgy decisions out and we all know that the AFL will never say or change anything anyway that's a bitter loss but we'll definitely see your lads at the pointy end of the year, best of luck
 

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If they don't want a national comp just ******* say it so we can get back to our lives and not give a damn.

Absolute disgrace from the umpiring and commentary that the Non Vics(mostly the Northerners) have to deal with.
Not Vic bias- just Essendon bias..
 

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Flat track bullies strike again
Out of curiousity did you watch the game or are you just rolling that out based off the loss to a lower ranked team? We were on top for the majority of the game.

We only fell behind when every attacking foray started being cancelled out by marks not getting paid (Finlayson) and free kicks getting called "play on", e.g. players lying on the ground throwing the ball away (Bellchambers - definitely not a handball or kick) or players getting monstered by what used to be an "unrealistic attempt" because the defender didn't even get a hand on the ball (Cameron, Finlayson), and the Bombers instead getting gifted frees in front of goal inconsistent with the standards being applied to contact on the Giants players. Even then we almost got through it.

I'd agree with that sentiment after the Adelaide game or the Fremantle game, but rolling it out after last night's effort is a joke and belittling an actual effort that was up there with the Geelong game.
 

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I feel the game just showed that the team will need to be that much better than the other team in the finals to take the umpires out of impacting the result
Also the team was missing 3 first choice mds in ward Whitfield and MDB although I am not making an excuse as I am sure the bombers were missing as many key players if not more
Also now for the conspiracy theory that AFL house doesn’t want the giants to finish top 2 as it would mean missing out on a big gate from the cats and pies finals at the MCG
 

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Out of curiousity did you watch the game or are you just rolling that out based off the loss to a lower ranked team? We were on top for the majority of the game.

We only fell behind when every attacking foray started being cancelled out by marks not getting paid (Finlayson) and free kicks getting called "play on", e.g. players lying on the ground throwing the ball away (Bellchambers - definitely not a handball or kick) or players getting monstered by what used to be an "unrealistic attempt" because the defender didn't even get a hand on the ball (Cameron, Finlayson), and the Bombers instead getting gifted frees in front of goal inconsistent with the standards being applied to contact on the Giants players. Even then we almost got through it.

I'd agree with that sentiment after the Adelaide game or the Fremantle game, but rolling it out after last night's effort is a joke and belittling an actual effort that was up there with the Geelong game.
Are you able to objectively look at performance without blaming the umpiring?

Once again a team stopped us from running the ball and using it how we like (think hawks/freo/adelaide) and we lost the game.

We only win (with the exception of geelong) when we are allowed to play our way. Thats a flat track bully- only winning when the game is on their terms.
 

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I feel the game just showed that the team will need to be that much better than the other team in the finals to take the umpires out of impacting the result
Also the team was missing 3 first choice mds in ward Whitfield and MDB although I am not making an excuse as I am sure the bombers were missing as many key players if not more
Also now for the conspiracy theory that AFL house doesn’t want the giants to finish top 2 as it would mean missing out on a big gate from the cats and pies finals at the MCG
Whilst I acknowledge your outs, Devon Smith, Jake Stringer and Joe Daniher are fairly important to our side.

We got the rub of the green, it was a good match. Good luck in finals.
 

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Are you able to objectively look at performance without blaming the umpiring?
I have no issues with separating the two every other week. I'm quite happy to vent about umpiring decisions most weeks without attributing them sole blame for our losses, but this week is the exception.

Once again a team stopped us from running the ball and using it how we like (think hawks/freo/adelaide) and we lost the game.

We only win (with the exception of geelong) when we are allowed to play our way. Thats a flat track bully- only winning when the game is on their terms.
Essendon didn't stop us running the ball... Their pressure on the ball carrier, our usual bug bear, was less than Adelaide (and Essendon or St Kilda or Adelaide in previous years as well). We cut through their structures regularly, unlike against Hawthorn. We got our hands to the ball first and often, unlike against Fremantle (and previous years against teams like Sydney or Melbourne). We had plenty of good ball movement. The exception, which I lamented during the game, were bombs into the forward 50 for easy opposition marks, but that was cleaned up after the first quarter.

9 times out of 10 we win that game - but if repeated efforts of said good ball movement are cancelled out by stuff completely out of our control, and the reverse is rewarded excessively, and we lose by a goal, then lumping into the same bucket as our other s**tty losses is just trying to link up our loss to push an existing narrative and is lazy.
 

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Not Vic bias- just Essendon bias..
Id it was any other vic club they would be jist as meh about it. We know we see it every fricken week.

And no sleep did not help my mood.

We were woeful but that win was still there is not for a bloke that continues to blatantly cheat.
 

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I have no issues with separating the two every other week. I'm quite happy to vent about umpiring decisions most weeks without attributing them sole blame for our losses, but this week is the exception.



Essendon didn't stop us running the ball... Their pressure on the ball carrier, our usual bug bear, was less than Adelaide (and Essendon or St Kilda or Adelaide in previous years as well). We cut through their structures regularly, unlike against Hawthorn. We got our hands to the ball first and often, unlike against Fremantle (and previous years against teams like Sydney or Melbourne). We had plenty of good ball movement. The exception, which I lamented during the game, were bombs into the forward 50 for easy opposition marks, but that was cleaned up after the first quarter.

9 times out of 10 we win that game - but if repeated efforts of said good ball movement are cancelled out by stuff completely out of our control, and the reverse is rewarded excessively, and we lose by a goal, then lumping into the same bucket as our other ****ty losses is just trying to link up our loss to push an existing narrative and is lazy.
It is interesting how emotional you clearly are even the next day after a loss. I imagine the cat was well and truly kicked last night.

In response to your post I suppose I will point out a few things (sigh). We lost the tackle count 59-57. In the last the bombers won 5/6 clearances. They scored 2/3 of their goals from stoppages in the last. This doesn't paint a picture of a run and gun game- Yes we got them on the overlap a few times and yes you are correct our I50 entries in the last were poor (17 I50's in the 4th Qtr). I would say these poor entries are a reflection of high pressure entries rather than elite players choosing to bomb it in. All of this however, is a reflection that it became a contested arm wrestle and we didnt get the game on our terms.

We have been found out a little imo. If we are forced to play hard, close and contested footy we fall over. Generally that is the kind of brand we see in finals footy...

So yes.. we beat teams who let us play the way we want (ie flat track bullies) but as soon as that is taken from us... as soon as we have a hostile crowd... we seem to be establishing a habit of falling over
 
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