Prediction Round 16, 2025: Changes vs Collingwood

[Miguel Sanchez]

Kelly was promoted off an invisible WAFL performance, tbf.

20 touches, 5 tackles and a goal, I know it wasn’t what we expected from Kelly at that level and personally I would have given him longer in the WAFL but it’s hardly an invisible performance.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

20 touches, 5 tackles and a goal, I know it wasn’t what we expected from Kelly at that level and personally I would have given him longer in the WAFL but it’s hardly an invisible performance.

Must have padded the stats late, watched and thought he had zero influence. Genuinely surprised those were his numbers.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Must have padded the stats late, watched and thought he had zero influence. Genuinely surprised those were his numbers.

And from the coach:

 

[Bender_]

Must have padded the stats late, watched and thought he had zero influence. Genuinely surprised those were his numbers.

From memory I'm pretty sure he got most of his touches late.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He got the five tackles before halftime, thought he probably had about 10 touches to then.

Edit: reading through the WAFL thread looks like he had 12 touches to 3/4 time so yes he did get a lot late. Was being tagged by Greg Clark until Clark went off injured at some point.

 

[KERRPOW]

When shanahan kicks his first goal hope the commentator yells "SANTA MARIA WHAT A GOAL"

 

[Bender_]

He got the five tackles before halftime, thought he probably had about 10 touches to then.

I remember watching the game and thinking he hadn't had a great deal of touches to 3 quarter time - that might've been low teens by then. By comparison he had a productive last term, it definitely stuck out compared to the rest of his game.

For the record I agree with you, I think he should've been in the WAFL for another week at least but I also don't think he had a terribly poor game either.

 

[Wild Kelly]

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I’d be surprised if there’s been a bigger gap in age and experience of two competing sides all season

Collingwood almost 4 years older on average with double the experience

This truly is a men against boys match up and we’ll need to play out of our skins just to keep this under 8 goals

Hang on, where did you/they get the average players' weights from? Thought that information was verboten and not PC!

 

[Dark Sharks]

Was invisible in his last WAFL game and got a clip from the coach for his lack of intensity.

Can’t promote him off the back of that.

Yeah I don't disagree, but at this point I'd rather have lack of selection integrity in favour of the youth than lack of selection integrity in favour of a 31yr old phoning it in.

Kellys entire season has been a bit of a joke. There's still this missplaced notion that we need him, that he provides all this leadership and we can't go into X game without him...

And then you watch the game and he's either invisible or one of the worst performing players on the ground. No leadership and no reason for him to hold his spot in the senior side, and yet he does again and again.

Club just needs to move on already and cop the hit (or likely positive) for playing a younger player in his place. Unlikely given his contract.

 

[THE A5]

Tim Kelly could get 3 kicks and 2 handballs this week and would survive

Mini at the start of the year did mention that it’s not about kick, Marks or handballs. Tk obviously brings something to this side we all don’t see.


Perhaps champion data rates TK’s Hawk Tuah skills

 

[Dark Sharks]

I just think McQualter is too scared after the Carlton game. It's a real pity.

Losing Kellys 10 ineffective touches off the HFF really isn't a big deal.

Hope Hall/Allan aren't the sub. Both deserve more game time after last week's solid outing. Real opportunity here to make one of the 3 under performers the sub.

 

[THE A5]

You seriously can’t be making excuses for TK. Bloke was seriously underwhelming in that wafl game for a player of his quality. He lacked intensity and effort just like he has done all year. He’s still a league above that level and that stat line is the bare minimum you expect. Should have ended up with a much better game in reality. He’s just lucky this season we are in desperate need of seniors cause this years he’s going as just as good as Gaff/Sheed in years ago past.

 

[stallon]

The Pies have named 4 "tall" forwards in Membrey, McStay, Mihocek and West.
Does that mean Maric plays in defence like how hes named on the team sheet as our 4th tall defender?
We have Allan and McCarthy named on the bench, put Hunt on the wing instead of Hall and we have a 5 man bench of Allan, Brockman, Hall, BW and McCarthy

McCarthy is our 7th defender
Hall the mid rotation
Brockman a fwd/mid rotation
BW our usual last fwd, with Hewett/Ryan named in the fwd line who will play mid for some amount of time.

Leaves Allan as the odd one out to be sub.

We need to put either of Allan or McCarthy as the winger to replace Hunt, in order to relegate Hunt to sub

 

[Bender_]

You seriously can’t be making excuses for TK. Bloke was seriously underwhelming in that wafl game for a player of his quality. He lacked intensity and effort just like he has done all year. He’s still a league above that level and that stat line is the bare minimum you expect. Should have ended up with a much better game in reality. He’s just lucky this season we are in desperate need of seniors cause this years he’s going as just as good as Gaff/Sheed in years ago past.

Who are you talking to?

I know you struggle to operate the reply button but you could at least try.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Who are you talking to?

I know you struggle to operate the reply button but you could at least try.

Old Vishy yells at cloud.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Lel he's talking to Fivey.


FWIW I remember the game and the WAFL thread shit posting that came with it. Before the OG Santa Maria I think.

Kelly was shit for 3 quarters. Superstar Greg Clark nullified him with ease. Kelly kicked an excellent goal in congestion in our forward 50 but unless you're blind, you could see he was soundly beaten and overall very disappointing. 4th quarter he collected some JunktimeJake stats to crawl to 20D that didn't really impact the game.

He's just lucky the AFL kids got smoked by Carlton that week in the CBD's and McQualter wet his pants, or he'd still be languishing in the WAFL IMO.

Also worth pointing out this was before McQualter gave up on him as a mid and put him onto the HFF In the AFL side as well, which makes him even more expendable IMO.

 

[squashface]

Yes I remember coming out of that game keen to see TK get a block of time in the WAFL to build some form because it was obvious that game wasn't good enough to get a recall from....

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

That WAFL game is what clinched the one two year extension.

 

[KERRPOW]

lets face it. in 12-18 months time if kelly has not lifted his on field presence and he is still a regular in the team...then we will still be bottom 2.

i expect he will be overtaken by then.

 

[Dark Sharks]

lets face it. in 12-18 months time if kelly has not lifted his on field presence and he is still a regular in the team...then we will still be bottom 2.

i expect he will be overtaken by then.

Given he'll be 32-33 and potentially on the final year of his contract at that point, I should like to think so.

The thought of Kelly on our list next year in the form that he's in, along with his body language is proper grim. Imagine how it'll look in 2027.

 

[Smotie2]

And from the coach:

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Interpretation:

"His attitude was good": Tim knew he was playing pissy football and expected to be dropped.

"Luca had his best game with tk helping"
Tk was tagged instead of Luca and Luca got more of the ball but not enough to be considered for selection.

"Worked through it well and had a big impact":
Took 3 quarters of the game to decide he wanted to play footy in the seniors next week and got half his disposals late in the game.

Pleasing to see the way he covered the ground: he runs up and down the field like he has always done without doing much to impact the game.

"His ability to get from contest to contest..."
Yeah he likes to stand on the outside of the contests and get the easy ball given to him by his teammates. Always has done.


Mate if you're defending Kelly in our side you seriously need to re-evaluate your expectations of this team because he isn't doing anything worthy of selection every week.

Imo the only reason he is being selected is mini has been told he has to be in the team every week due to contract obligations. It was clear to me he was added back in the team against minis wishes and his comments above reflect that imo.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Mate if you're defending Kelly in our side

I’m not. If you read the whole exchange you’ll see the point I was actually making.

You’ll also see those quotes weren’t from Mini, they were from the WAFL coach.

 

[Tugga27]

Interpretation:

"His attitude was good": Tim knew he was playing pissy football and expected to be dropped.

"Luca had his best game with tk helping"
Tk was tagged instead of Luca and Luca got more of the ball but not enough to be considered for selection.

"Worked through it well and had a big impact":
Took 3 quarters of the game to decide he wanted to play footy in the seniors next week and got half his disposals late in the game.

Pleasing to see the way he covered the ground: he runs up and down the field like he has always done without doing much to impact the game.

"His ability to get from contest to contest..."
Yeah he likes to stand on the outside of the contests and get the easy ball given to him by his teammates. Always has done.


Mate if you're defending Kelly in our side you seriously need to re-evaluate your expectations of this team because he isn't doing anything worthy of selection every week.

Imo the only reason he is being selected is mini has been told he has to be in the team every week due to contract obligations. It was clear to me he was added back in the team against minis wishes and his comments above reflect that imo.

Mate
That last paragraph is just ridiculous.

 

[Bender_]

More likely Kelly is in the side after the post-Carlton senior player meeting?

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Everybody knows Kelly should not be in the AFL team based on current form - everybody except those who choose the team it would seem.