Autopsy Round 16, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs Collingwood

[WCErevival]

The problem with Duggan is that he is very slow by AFL standards, so he has no breakaway speed, he’s forced to either hand off or slam it onto the boot because he doesn’t have the leg speed to get himself out of trouble. At his age his speed or lack of it will only diminish.
A great servant of the club, but his days are numbered.

Even Priddis, who was the slowest player in AFL history, learnt how to do a side step and get around players on occasion. Duggan just needs to think a bit instead of blazing away so often.

 

[flyinghi64]

So Hough had 27 disposals at 100% efficiency so 27 ED's plus 6 clearances for 18.9 player rating.
Daics had 34 at 73.5% so 25 ED's and 5 clearances for 10.3 player rating but was the better player, yeah right.

Ginbey's effort on Elliot was unsung hero like. From Cameron, Curnow to Elliot. Talk about diverse.

4 players with +25 disposal, Tmac what have you started here.

Baker, my man, just doesn't stop. Game high 35 possessions at 77.1 DE.

Even Duggan who get's a lot of slack for his disposal was 27 at 70.4%.

Shanahands did enough to show he belongs, hope he keeps his spot for the rest of the year.

Hedwards has some heart doesn't he. Didn't want to come off, at all, then when back on he hit everything with gusto.
Even though Brock wasn't as bad as made out, he will improve and rarely wastes it 92.3% ED for 12 total. Even Edwards went at 91.7%

A couple of critical errors by both our players and the joke that is called umpiring and who knows, we could have pinched this. Definitely not a 29 point margin game.

 

[jdisc]

He (Gibney) should vote strongly in JW medal.

they named a medal after Jack Williams?

 

[Marlin01]

Dusty Creek already our best nephew.

That’s gold

The problem with Duggan is that he is very slow by AFL standards, so he has no breakaway speed, he’s forced to either hand off or slam it onto the boot because he doesn’t have the leg speed to get himself out of trouble. At his age his speed or lack of it will only diminish.
A great servant of the club, but his days are numbered.

I don’t think it’s leg speed. Either he has never learnt close-in evasive skills or he isn’t confident enough to implement them. It certainly doesn’t come to him naturally.

Either way, it ends up with a dump kick which every team in the comp sets up to intercept and rebound off. That’s really hurting us.

Particularly annoying on the weekend was the number of times he was smothered. It seemed like his first three or four kicks in the first quarter all got smothered. If he had the skill of “dummy” kicking it would have made a big difference.

It’s a bloody shame because he’s super courageous and does so much right.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Even Priddis, who was the slowest player in AFL history, learnt how to do a side step and get around players on occasion. Duggan just needs to think a bit instead of blazing away so often.

Priddis shrugged tacklers like a boss. Such a underrated part of his game. He was able to be slow and effective because he was very very tough to tackle

My 2 year old niece could probably take Duggan down in a tackle. Its just not the same. Duggan really is at his best with his line breaking speed. Speed that is best used from HBF. To best utilise him we need to find a way to get him those handball receives from a mark on the wing to quickly move the ball on. His DE is actually not too bad when he is running with a bit of pace towards the 50. Its when he has tackling pressure or too much time to make a decision that he turns it over

Lets hope McCarthy taking some pressure away from him improves his game

 

[Scotland]

Bit of a pattern developing with the sub:

Bo Allan vs Geel 16% TOG
Bo Allan vs North 7% TOG
Jayden Hunt

5

Jayden Hunt

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.3

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.3

4star

MG

78.7

1star

D

5.3

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.3

3star

MG

78.7

1star

D

5.3

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.3

4star

MG

78.7

2star

vs Coll 14% TOG

Having players come on for a few min in the last quarter adds very little.

Main +ve from the game is that we were in it, for most of it. And ultimately since they are much, much better than we are currently they did enough to pull away. Things like the holding the ball not paid against them then holding the ball immediately paid against us leading to an inside 50 and goal are annoying but they already had momentum. I like Jack Williams but F. F. S. Hack right foot banana to a top 10 kick in the comp 55 out 10 seconds before 3QT then a pretty easy set shot missed to start Q4. That hurts. Between our key forwards, key backs and rucks they all find new ways to do dumb things each week. Shanahan looked great, would love to see how he goes in defence as Brock unfortunately isn't up to it.

Leadership group is Liam Duggan

14

Liam Duggan

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

283.7

4star

D

16.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

283.7

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

, Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

, Jake Waterman

2

Jake Waterman

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

2star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.0

1star

M

5.8

5star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

, Liam Baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

27

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

, and Jack Graham

17

Jack Graham

Age

27

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

. This has to change in the off season. I don't know if Allen will be at the club or not but based on what we have I would make Baker captain and elevate Ginbey and Hough into the group.

Sid Draper played SANFL. Zane Duursma played VFL. It's a shame that we are so light on in the midfield and too chicken shit to ever make the call but Harley Reid is really giving me the shits. His ego is writing cheques his body can't cash.

 

[DanWCE]

Bit of a pattern developing with the sub:

Bo Allan vs Geel 16% TOG
Bo Allan vs North 7% TOG
Jayden Hunt vs Coll 14% TOG

Having players come on for a few min in the last quarter adds very little.

On par with Markov, though, so perhaps we wanted to mirror their move in that regard.

Purps won without using their sub at all.

If we have a young player in the sub role that we want to get a good look at I agree they should be on earlier but I've seen enough of Hunt. As it turned out he added nothing anyway in the small amount of game time he played.

 

[Elite Pete]

 

[garlic munchers]

Given a 20 yr old Cooper Lord got one, Hall had to be an absolute Monty.

 

[Grahame]

Let's see if AFL 360 acknowledge our Rising Star this time. I'd be surprised if they didn't given we were playing A VERY IMPORTANT TEAM whose every move must be discussed at length. Surely, that's enough for them to learn of 'Derek' Hall's nomination (as Hudson call him - ex Geelong Derek Hall).

Edit: I'm told I didn't hear Huddo say 'son of ... "

 

[UseR2006]

On par with Markov, though, so perhaps we wanted to mirror their move in that regard.

Purps won without using their sub at all.

If we have a young player in the sub role that we want to get a good look at I agree they should be on earlier but I've seen enough of Hunt. As it turned out he added nothing anyway in the small amount of game time he played.

For mine it was more a message to Crippa than a need to get Hunt on the ground.
Crippa had been having a stinker and to get the vest is a bit of a slap to get his arse in gear.
Hope he feels a little jilted and gets his stuff together for next week.

 

[KERRPOW]

Even Priddis, who was the slowest player in AFL history, learnt how to do a side step and get around players on occasion. Duggan just needs to think a bit instead of blazing away so often.

Hough, thrown into the middle got caught HTB several times.

Several weeks later i noticed him moving laterally, changing direction, side stepping. Dare i say it....judd like.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

So Hough had 27 disposals at 100% efficiency so 27 ED's plus 6 clearances for 18.9 player rating.
Daics had 34 at 73.5% so 25 ED's and 5 clearances for 10.3 player rating but was the better player, yeah right.

Ginbey's effort on Elliot was unsung hero like. From Cameron, Curnow to Elliot. Talk about diverse.

4 players with +25 disposal, Tmac what have you started here.

Baker, my man, just doesn't stop. Game high 35 possessions at 77.1 DE.

Even Duggan who get's a lot of slack for his disposal was 27 at 70.4%.

Shanahands did enough to show he belongs, hope he keeps his spot for the rest of the year.

Hedwards has some heart doesn't he. Didn't want to come off, at all, then when back on he hit everything with gusto.
Even though Brock wasn't as bad as made out, he will improve and rarely wastes it 92.3% ED for 12 total. Even Edwards went at 91.7%

A couple of critical errors by both our players and the joke that is called umpiring and who knows, we could have pinched this. Definitely not a 29 point margin game.

First time this year we have won the disposal count.

 

[THE A5]

So Hough had 27 disposals at 100% efficiency so 27 ED's plus 6 clearances for 18.9 player rating.
Daics had 34 at 73.5% so 25 ED's and 5 clearances for 10.3 player rating but was the better player, yeah right.

Ginbey's effort on Elliot was unsung hero like. From Cameron, Curnow to Elliot. Talk about diverse.

4 players with +25 disposal, Tmac what have you started here.

Baker, my man, just doesn't stop. Game high 35 possessions at 77.1 DE.

Even Duggan who get's a lot of slack for his disposal was 27 at 70.4%.

Shanahands did enough to show he belongs, hope he keeps his spot for the rest of the year.

Hedwards has some heart doesn't he. Didn't want to come off, at all, then when back on he hit everything with gusto.
Even though Brock wasn't as bad as made out, he will improve and rarely wastes it 92.3% ED for 12 total. Even Edwards went at 91.7%

A couple of critical errors by both our players and the joke that is called umpiring and who knows, we could have pinched this. Definitely not a 29 point margin game.

Thats Bakers equal highest disposal count in a game. 2 of his top 10 disposal game have come in Eagles colours. The way he’s going atm he could add a few more to that list by the end of the year. I was very harsh on Baker but that said he is one of them rare cases where a role player in a successful for team coming into a shite side really doing well playing a primary role. He’s arguably having his best season.

 

[Bender_]

Thats Bakers equal highest disposal count in a game. 2 of his top 10 disposal game have come in Eagles colours. The way he’s going atm he could add a few more to that list by the end of the year. I was very harsh on Baker but that said he is one of them rare cases where a role player in a successful for team coming into a shite side really doing well playing a primary role. He’s arguably having his best season.

He and Ginbey could possibly be pushing for AA squad.

Maybe.

Unlikely.

 

[squashface]

He and Ginbey could possibly be pushing for AA squad.

Maybe.

Unlikely.

If it wasn’t for the fact that we need to have 4 Victorian midfielders on there, I’d say Baker is a smokey for an AA bench spot.

 

[eaglespremiers]

It's a shame that we are so light on in the midfield and too chicken shit to ever make the call but Harley Reid is really giving me the shits. His ego is writing cheques his body can't cash.

As his sponsor I'll bite. What the heck are you on about?

 

[THE A5]

As his sponsor I'll bite. What the heck are you on about?

Thats above post is such a boomer/fb post. Yeah it’s infuriating but thats the bad you gotta take with Good harley. He’s bloody 20 and will mature over the years.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Thats Bakers equal highest disposal count in a game. 2 of his top 10 disposal game have come in Eagles colours. The way he’s going atm he could add a few more to that list by the end of the year. I was very harsh on Baker but that said he is one of them rare cases where a role player in a successful for team coming into a shite side really doing well playing a primary role. He’s arguably having his best season.

Yeah look I've got egg on my face about this as well.

Still didn't quite need to split pick 3 but he's been an amazing acquisition.

His first 5 or so games were a bit rough though, hoiking it as good as Duggan.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Brock makes mistakes, but he’s only played less than 20 games for ****s sake, And he often does really good things which don’t get noticed by people on here it seems. He’s also pretty good by foot coming out of defence which Archer is definitely not. Archer should be trained as a ruck because he’s very good in that position.

Don't agree with this, everything I've seen of Archer's field kicking has been of a very good standard.

His goalkicking, sure. But think his general kicking is more than sound for a tall.

 

[RookiePick]

Don't agree with this, everything I've seen of Archer's field kicking has been of a very good standard.

His goalkicking, sure. But think his general kicking is more than sound for a tall.

It shows how much more it is a mental discipline to be a good goal kicker, rather than a physical skill..

Just kick it to the lovely lady sitting behind the goals. Shouldn't be that hard.

 

[Scotland]

As his sponsor I'll bite. What the heck are you on about?

He plays selfish footy and no one except Vic media pundits with the same agenda wants to call him out on it. He's #1 in the comp for frees against. He's on 43, Matt Rowell is on 37, Patrick Cripps is on 29 and Luke Davies-Uniacke is on 27. The rest of the top 6 are rucks. There is no reason a midfielder with 50 clearances for the year should be #1 for frees against. I don't care if he gets caught trying to break tackles or goes early trying to take MOTY but he gives away way too many stupid free kicks and you see him multiple times a game throwing his arms up and falling to ground. It's the job of the coaching staff and leadership group to get that out of his game. 37 year old Scott Pendlebury had 29 touches, 9 clearances and 10 inside 50s. A 20 year old like Reid should be trying to learn from him, not start a push and shove (which was ignored) at every stoppage.

Thats above post is such a boomer/fb post. Yeah it’s infuriating but thats the bad you gotta take with Good harley. He’s bloody 20 and will mature over the years.

Never seen Top Gun?

We've been blessed as a club with some elite talents over the years. 20 year old Ben Cousins was in the All Australian team. 20 year old Chris Judd was runner-up in the B&F and made a vice captain. I mean the 2002 B&F was Cousins (24), Kerr (19, 2nd year), Judd (19, 1st year) 1-2-3. I remember hearing one of Kerr/Judd speak (I think Kerr but it was ages ago) about how they fed off each other and challenged each other to get better, and learned from players like Rowan Jones who had incredible work rate but obviously not as much talent.

HR at age 20 in season 2 has been objectively worse than he was in season 1. Yes he had an interrupted pre-season but its's now Rd 17. He fumbled in Q4 vs Collingwood which instead of being an inside 50 for us led to a turnover and a goal. Happens all the time in modern footy. But the work rate afterwards was non existent.

Who is taking HR under their wing? Who is supporting him publicly and telling him behind closed doors enough is enough? He's a prodigious talent but he's not just going to get there on talent alone.

 

[Bender_]

If Harley keeps this up he'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Apologies if this has already been posted. If not, enjoy some positive chat about us post-game for a change.

Really exciting signs here

 

[Avalor]

Apologies if this has already been posted. If not, enjoy some positive chat about us post-game for a change.

Really exciting signs here

Saw this - excellent analysis. And shows how important Liam Ryan is to our present-day game plan.
Great stuff. Loving our development.