Autopsy Round 17, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs GWS

[woosha24]

I think the game showed that TK, Duggan and Flynn really need to be f*cked off out of the side as soon as we can get relevant replacements.

TK: Just doesnt want to be there. Doesnt work hard enough, doesnt show leadership. He is not offering anything going forward. Papers should be stamped. The fact that he played better initially after a stint in the 2s should scream to Mini that the bloke needs to go back there. The fact that he keeps copping a guernsey stink's of Simmo's "credits".

Duggan: Too poor for too long. Skills are atrocious for a footy player and he is also not a leader, let alone captain material. Im wondering if its a bit of a mental thing like how Fyfe had that period of shitness when he was captain for Freo? Needs to be relegated back to "rank and file" status and told to work on his fundamentals.

Flynn: He is not a ruckman's arseh*le. Week in and week out his direct opponent is near-BOG, and thats inexcusable. Probably the #1 candidate on the chopping block by year's end. Absolutely has to be gone.

 

[DorothyG]

TK: Just doesnt want to be there. Doesnt work hard enough, doesnt show leadership.

In Kelly's defence, not everyone has leadership qualities. And that's ok.
Bemoan him for his output and attitude, but not something he isn't

 

[jdisc]

Hutch is Petch from Wish.

At least Petch ALWAYS plays well when we get smashed. Old mate Hutch has pulled a single Tunbridge Tackle out of his arse.

Hutch already averages more disposals, tackles, contested possessions, tackles i50, and clearances than petch. Most other stats they're around the same mark

Hutch has played 20 games and Petch has played 89. Hutch is 23 and Petch is 26. There is clearly more upside with Hutch.

Petch getting a couple of joe the goose goals in losses doesn't make him a better player, literally any footballer could do that. All you need to do is be relatively close to the deepest forward and sprint towards goal when we gain possession further down the ground. It doesn't take skill.

 

[woosha24]

In Kelly's defence, not everyone has leadership qualities. And that's ok.
Bemoan him for his output and attitude, but not something he isn't

In a way I can agree, but he has been the most senior mid in the side for a while now and needs to be standing up in that senior position. At least be seen to be leading by example, which he isnt (and a part of that is exemplifying the right attitude to the game).

If he isnt leading, he isnt accumulating the ball, and he isnt playing a consistent defensive role, then why he is there?

 

[jdisc]

I think the game showed that TK, Duggan and Flynn really need to be f*cked off out of the side as soon as we can get relevant replacements.

TK: Just doesnt want to be there. Doesnt work hard enough, doesnt show leadership. He is not offering anything going forward. Papers should be stamped. The fact that he played better initially after a stint in the 2s should scream to Mini that the bloke needs to go back there. The fact that he keeps copping a guernsey stink's of Simmo's "credits".

Duggan: Too poor for too long. Skills are atrocious for a footy player and he is also not a leader, let alone captain material. Im wondering if its a bit of a mental thing like how Fyfe had that period of shitness when he was captain for Freo? Needs to be relegated back to "rank and file" status and told to work on his fundamentals.

Flynn: He is not a ruckman's arseh*le. Week in and week out his direct opponent is near-BOG, and thats inexcusable. Probably the #1 candidate on the chopping block by year's end. Absolutely has to be gone.

Kelly has been disappointing, last night he seemed to have decent energy when we had the ball and he was involved in passages of play, but the second it hit the ground or there was a contest he just dropped his shoulders and started jogging. I'm warming to the idea of Hutch playing his role instead, he will at least lay tackles and not shy away from a contest. Park Gross or Chesser on the wing instead it doesn't really matter.

Duggan has good aptitude for a captain but his dump kicks are becoming a bit of a meme, even Paps was making small remarks about it. I don't know if he's been instructed to do it? Or are the coaches okay with him doing it? I don't understand how it fits in with Mini's philosophy because all the other backman (Maric, McCarthy, even Brock and HEdwards) seem to be instructed to try and hit up targets, even if the kick is a bit risky.

Flynn was decent around the ground I thought. To me he's a depth ruckman, the kind you want playing WAFL and on your list in case your #1 goes down. Unfortunately for us we only have 2 pure ruckman on the list and the other one isnt even WAFL standard.

 

[jdisc]

Shanahan - The kid can play. Tackles really well for a big guy and just has composure. Aside from the easy miss in Qtr 1 was very good.

Shanahan is slowly becoming my biggest positive for the year, I can see a future full forward in him. Has a bit of JK the way he goes about it.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Hutch already averages more disposals, tackles, contested possessions, tackles i50, and clearances than petch. Most other stats they're around the same mark

Hutch has played 20 games and Petch has played 89. Hutch is 23 and Petch is 26. There is clearly more upside with Hutch.

Petch getting a couple of joe the goose goals in losses doesn't make him a better player, literally any footballer could do that. All you need to do is be relatively close to the deepest forward and sprint towards goal when we gain possession further down the ground. It doesn't take skill.

Why are you comparing Hutch to Petch ?
Petch should be compared to Owies and Kelly and Cripps and Brockman
Petch at least does not get run off like those first 3 mentioned, is better overhead
and quicker
The average for a half forward is about 15 to 18 possessions a game
I would rather have Petch if he can get 10 possessions a game kick two goals and provides
great chasing pressure out of defence so the opposition can not get the ball out so easy like last night

 

[WeaponX]

It was a team of Men versus a team of boys, GWS are fast and strong which is the opposite of us. We lack real pace and tackling strength coupled with the skills of a WAFL team.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Why are you comparing Hutch to Petch ?

The board meme that Petch only plays well when we get flogged.

Hutch doesn't even do that apart from that one game vs Geelong last year. His Tunbridge Tackle moment.

 

[WCEswift]

Unfortunately progression isnt linear, onto next week without some of the seniors

 

[ballsohard]

I'll start with some positives I guess.

Ginbey looked amazing out there, halved contests he probably shouldn't have been able to and won plenty. Looks super comfortable down back and is starting to become elite there.
effort from Harley, tackled hard and put in good effort chasing. Had some good kicks through the middle as well.
Flynn looked like he was trying his guts out, unfortunately his disposal is still pretty woeful and he had plenty of turnovers.
Shanahan looks the goods, nice to see we should have our CHF sorted for the future.
McCarthy should be taking every kickin that's available, should not be letting Duggan steal them for his cheapy stats.
Edwards & Brock solid

And the negatives.

Duggan continues to have some of the worst disposal in the comp, even when he has time he still manages to shank it. I don't know how he manages to be surprised when he kicks it out of bounds from CHB that it gets called deliberate (insufficient intent), its a feat in itself that he managed to shank it that badly to begin with. Watching him at the game its also clear how often he sags off his opponent and then points to someone else to take his man. Just screams laziness, hopefully he is relinquished of the captaincy next year.

Hutch could use some time in the 2's to clean up his disposal
JWill had a quiet one, was pretty unnoticeable.
I liked some things that I saw from Hall but there were plenty of times in the first quarter where he should have laid a tackle and second guessed himself, leading to a goal. Can't really see him being a top 10 player in an AFL side.


Hopefully we bounce back next week with a better performance and not playing a team off their bye.

 

[wce4premiership]

Duggan needs to play angry, get a bit of campaigner about him. Defensively was ok, offensively horrendous and drop worthy.

Need him to run through the ball again, him and Cole used to be really good at that with the attack on the ground ball.

Hutch could move forward and use his leap to try bring balls to ground i50, something we seem to struggle with which could allow someone else to go to the wing. He's tough, can tackle, has good attributes but he needs a reboot. Maric can have his wing position.

I think Duggan would be deserving of being dropped, but if they won't do it for captain reasons then maybe get him in a different role. Can he tag? Can he go on the wing if Hutch goes forward? Where was he playing in pre-season when he was supposedly doing well?

 

[DorothyG]

It was a team of Men versus a team of boys, GWS are fast and strong which is the opposite of us. We lack real pace and tackling strength coupled with the skills of a WAFL team.

I posted the numbers earlier that refute this. GWS were on average 6months older than us.
Pretty much the same amount of players under 100 games (16 v 17).

Difference is development of these young guys. GWS have a very strong reserves structure in the VFL and a massive regional zone to pull from, resulting in a competitive team which breeds development.

Where as we have whatever the **** our Beagles arrangement is that has our guys playing along side basically ammos. Resulting in the inability for us to develop any sort of AFL level standards.

Serious question. Who was the last guy that you would say we actually developed in to a solid B grader, let alone and A grader?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Duggan was better with a mullet

Ginbey took that lesson to heart.

 

[ziad]

I posted the numbers earlier that refute this. GWS were on average 6months older than us.
Pretty much the same amount of players under 100 games (16 v 17).

Its the number of first year players not the U100 games that we have

 

[ziad]

Duggan needs to play angry, get a bit of campaigner about him. Defensively was ok, offensively horrendous and drop worthy.

Need him to run through the ball again, him and Cole used to be really good at that with the attack on the ground ball.

Hutch could move forward and use his leap to try bring balls to ground i50, something we seem to struggle with which could allow someone else to go to the wing. He's tough, can tackle, has good attributes but he needs a reboot. Maric can have his wing position.

I think Duggan would be deserving of being dropped, but if they won't do it for captain reasons then maybe get him in a different role. Can he tag? Can he go on the wing if Hutch goes forward? Where was he playing in pre-season when he was supposedly doing well?

Duggan is a worker and he stuck at it, he isn't a skilful star - never was and never will be.

 

[DorothyG]

Its the number of first year players not the U100 games that we have

Ok fair, but it's not men vs boys. That was last week and we looked 1000x better.

We only really had 2.5 first year players out there. Shanahan and Champion + McCarthy (who is 24, not a kid).

 

[KERRPOW]

Jack Williams disappearing to eat some chicken someone dropped on the Optus floor,

jilliams gotta be an animal to do something as sick as that.

 

[KERRPOW]

A generationally stupid post. Congratulations.

And since you asked, he’s played 8 games and still leads our goal kicking at the end of Round 17. On your bike.

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Would be hilarious if jake wins our leading goalkicker award this year

 

[Grahame]

Unfortunately progression isnt linear, onto next week without some of the seniors

Yep not linear. I think Kelly or Cripps could be replaced by Owies (if he has an 'adequate' game today). Like others, I have my doubts but he is 28 and has 82 AFL games. He needs to be providing leadership and goals. I think Mini needs to give him several games, challenge him that he is an older player and needs to produce - 'prove you are best 25'.

Similarly, I've floated the idea that the Willams boys swap places. Bailey has shown some ability at FF and Jack has shown some ruck ability at throw ins. Bailey is a real trier, but I'm not so sure about Jack. He is of AFL standard but usually only does a few good things per games then is missing for the rest. Again, Mini can challenge him: 'prove to me you want to play with the big boys'.

 

[Astro7]

I'm not conflating anything, you brought money up not me. My point was that it's obvious that Kelly does not want to be out on the football field anymore and his efforts show that

This is a circular debate, I know what your point is and once again it's not a fact, it's your opinion. Did Kelly tell you he doesn't want to be out on the field, that he doesn't want to play any more? Or is that something you've conjured up and conflated with his poor efforts? I'm not supporting Kelly's poor efforts or even his 2 year contract, just separating fact from fiction.

 

[ziad]

Ok fair, but it's not men vs boys. That was last week and we looked 1000x better.

We only really had 2.5 first year players out there. Shanahan and Champion + McCarthy (who is 24, not a kid).

Lets put it this way. - GWS came in early for the kill with a game based on power and speed, Pies play a different game and worked into the game.

 

[Godfather32]

This is a circular debate? I know what your point is and once again it's not a fact, it's your opinion. Did Kelly tell you he doesn't want to be out on the field, that he doesn't want to play any more? Or is that something you've conjured up and conflated with his poor efforts? I'm not supporting Kelly's poor efforts or even his 2 year contract, just separating fact from fiction.

You're such a hero separating fact from fiction like this for us, well done mate
Pretty much everything on here is just peoples opinions isn't it? Do I actually need to state "that in my opinion Kelly doesn't want to be out there" to make you happy? Or you could just do what everyone else does and assume that if someone writes something on a footy forum its generally their opinion and not actually 100% fact.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Shanahan as said by all.
Ginbey; hopefully people have put “ midfield” to bed.AA h/b!
Macarthy to take every kick anytime he is near the ball!
Hewett for Fks sake where did you learn to kick to a leading forward? Twice in a quarter you put a hospital pass to Ryan. Kick the fuc*king ball low to a small forward, doesn’t matter how good a mark he is.
How can we stuff up so many 20-30m passes under NO pressure??
Sooo tentative on short passes.Skills skills skills

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I feel for Ginbey. Throws everything at it, wins the hardest of hard balls as GWS midfielders were able to get it inside 50 under no pressure, he gets it to a teammate ... Who instantly turns it over and the ball flies over Ginbey's head for a goal.

Baker's been alright but can go missing, so I hope Ginbey wins the Woosha Medal.