Autopsy Round 19, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs Richmond

[WCEswift]

One bad quarter did it, progress isnt linear unfortunately

 

[footy_basis]

Andrew Dillon is that you pal?

Unfortunately the game isn't going back to the 1:1 in the early 2000s or more. Did you really like the rolling scrums that were going on? The game at the moment at least opens up in the 3rd quarter.

 

[footy_basis]

- Looking at the data, I can't believe Owies kicked 33.13 last year. Must've been a lot of cheapies. For a permanent forward, he often looks like one of the worst set shots I've seen. He doesn't even get near it most of the time. More incompetent list management.

Why do you think Carlton wanted to get rid of him? He was asking for some ludicrous contract and Carlton balked. Only 1 club stupid enough to sign him on that contract.

 

[Godfather32]

Unfortunately the game isn't going back to the 1:1 in the early 2000s or more. Did you really like the rolling scrums that were going on? The game at the moment at least opens up in the 3rd quarter.

Please don't remind us

 

[Balls In]

Unfortunately the game isn't going back to the 1:1 in the early 2000s or more. Did you really like the rolling scrums that were going on? The game at the moment at least opens up in the 3rd quarter.

The stand rule and 666 is an absolute blight. I'd go back to the way AFL was in the early 2000's in a heartbeat. Having games decided by 50m penalties because the man on the mark wasn't a statue or someone behind the play steps into an imaginary buffer puts me right off.

 

[UseR2006]

I was thinking about trying to put together a lowlights package of the games missed kicks, handballs at peoples feet, fumbles, poor decisions, backwards kick directly costing us goals, but it’s just depressing.
I miss the days when if a player ****ed up they would taken immediately from the ground and then given a firm dressing down by Mick Malthouse for a poor decision or skill execution.
When Maric kicked backwards with a lazy kick missing Harley and giving away a goal I wish this happened.
Probably 50 examples of poor skill execution, lazy defence, poor option taken.
There has to be a consequence for your actions if they are poor.

I'm sitting through the match a second time to do this as we speak.

 

[InTheWings]

I'm not sure who's drop off is more extreme, Kelly's or Gaffs.

Yes. And Gaff had a serious foot injury that contributed to his decline.

 

[Reminiscence]

Id chuck Hutch fwd he is not good enough for AFL mid

Not good enough for fwd either as he hasn't appeared to be great above his head.
He has traits of a good player, athletic, tough, sticks a tackle.
But he completely falls apart when he's under any sort of pressure, and we can't have that in a winger.
Plus, he's probably got the worst hands in the team for gathering any sort of loose ball, far worse than Cripps.

 

[Magnum27]

110%

How Petch (and Jammo) got a two year deal in 2024 defies logic and speaks volumes about the clubs list management at the time.

It has not changed though, given we decided to give Kelly 2 more , and extend Hutchinson without giving him this season to prove himself.

 

[Mop]

Disagreement’s fair game, that I agree with, but no one should feel pressured to delete a post just because it’s unpopular or doesn’t align with your or someone elses sense of “embarrassment.”

Standing by an opinion or offering an alternative view (now we are just talking footy opinions here) can add more value to the discussion at hand than simply backing down and going with the flow.

Its good to challenging the current hive-mind meta.

Its my take, and I stand by it until proven otherwise

Well, to speak to your wisdom, the new rock bottom goalpost may have moved.

I maintain it was still the Sydney game last year, but your opinion has gone to at least number two on the charts with a bullet

 

[Wce17]

We really missed Hewett last night. Midfield was basically Reid & then Hall.

Hall has been improving but the Midfield shouldn’t be being led by 2 second years players. At least with Hewett he can take away some of that load the other 2.m have been left with.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I'm sitting through the match a second time to do this as we speak.

You’re a better man than me!

 

[Mop]

Unfortunately the game isn't going back to the 1:1 in the early 2000s or more. Did you really like the rolling scrums that were going on? The game at the moment at least opens up in the 3rd quarter.

I have no strong feelings about the 6-6-6, but the stand rule is crap. What makes it go beyond crap to unstomachable is the 50m penalty. it's so dispropornate that it kills the game.

If they are hellbent on having the crappy rule, then it needs its own 15m penalty punishment. 50m free hit goals for a dude running past not even impacting the play affects the credibility of the game IMO.

 

[Weshi]

Positive - We broke even in the clearances with our top few being Harley, Hall, Baker and Hough against an experienced group of Taranto, Hopper Prestia and Ross.

Negative - Richmond caned us in defensive transition, seemingly running out of defence with no pressure.

My take is we need to draft mids, half backs that can run and create and half forwards that can defend!

 

[Mulldogg]

I'm sitting through the match a second time to do this as we speak.

Please share when you’ve done so.

I’d love to see who the worst offenders were but I’ve already got a fair idea.

 

[Godfather32]

I'm sitting through the match a second time to do this as we speak.

This shows more commitment than half the players last night

 

[Mop]

I'm sitting through the match a second time to do this as we speak.

This reminds me of the scenes in Boardwalk Empire when Nelson Van Alden whips himself.


This is that.

 

[swingdog]

You’re a better man than me!

Likewise, the only reason I'm keeping Kayo is for the England-India test series. No more footy.

 

[Bacchus]

Pos - the game was so horrendous that the AFL will have to grant draft assistance. Totally outclassed by the second worst team in the competition at home. We are at the club’s lowest ever ebb and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Very few leaders or even competent AFL players. We lack both top echelon youth and durable experienced players. If the board is too proud to demand assistance then they need to fix this mess or move aside for those who can.

Neg - making Maurice Rioli Jun look like peak Cyril. He has struggled to get a kick in his forty odd previous games. Best game by far.

AFL continue to direct umpiring to be biased against us in home games.

 

[jdisc]

Did you really like the rolling scrums that were going on? The game at the moment at least opens up in the 3rd quarter.

The data seems to indicate that stoppages have gone up though

 

[UseR2006]

Some of the things i'm not clipping (just because it'd be every play) is when players are 5-10m off their direct opponents when the tigers were moving the ball from their d50 to the fwd line.
God on rewatch the latitude we gave their players was disgusting.

 

[footy_basis]

The stand rule and 666 is an absolute blight. I'd go back to the way AFL was in the early 2000's in a heartbeat. Having games decided by 50m penalties because the man on the mark wasn't a statue or someone behind the play steps into an imaginary buffer puts me right off.

I meant to say that the early 2000s was better and we will never be going back to this. The changes came in to rectify the rolling scrums that had been happening for a few years

 

[Underdog]

I meant to say that the early 2000s was better and we will never be going back to this. The changes came in to rectify the rolling scrums that had been happening for a few years

This article sums it up pretty well

https://www.theroar.com.au/2025/07/17/the-stand-rule-had-its-shot-and-it-missed-its-time-for-the-afl-to-ditch-it/

"You know what fans want? Contest. Pressure. Grit. Tension. They want to see a defender put the clamps on a dangerous ball user. They want to see effort rewarded. They don’t want to see another play broken open because a defender dared to lean forward to block off an angle and suddenly gave away 50. It’s not clever. It’s not strategic. It’s just cheap. And it kills the spectacle.

This rule didn’t need to exist. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a problem the AFL didn’t properly understand. Congestion didn’t need a rule change – it needed better spacing, more aggressive umpiring around holding the ball, and perhaps some subtle tweaks to stoppage setups.

What it got instead was a theatre performance where one actor stands still while the other gets to perform a one-man show around them.

Worse still, it’s turned footy into a stop-start, umpire-dominated chess match. And while some footy nerds might enjoy analysing set-ups and systems, the average fan just wants to see a fair contest. Instead, what we have is a game being decided more and more by ticky-tacky interpretations of a rule that’s never felt natural to the flow of play."

 

[Tyberious Funk]

In the last 18 months we've lost Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

, Jeremy McGovern

20

Jeremy Mcgovern

Age

33

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

238.7

4star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

183.4

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

and Shannon Hurn

25

Shannon Hurn

Age

38

Ht

187cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

15.7

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

389.5

5star

D

16.1

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

271.6

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

from our backline. Thats 650+ games of experience, three premierships, 7 All Australians and 2 BNFs amongst them. Plus, we don't have Yeo to rotate through there. Ginbey and Edwards have been solid but along with Bazzo, they have less than 150 games experience. Combined.

Our forward line is missing Oscar Allan and Jake Waterman

2

Jake Waterman

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

2star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.0

1star

M

5.8

5star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. And while Shanahan looks a real prospect, he and Jack Williams have less than 50 games experience. Combined. Bailey Wiliams has 80+ games of experience, but most of it has been as a ruck. Think about when Oscar Allan made his debut... he was playing alongside Josh Kennedy who had probably kicked around 500+ goals at that point, and Jack Darling

28

Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

who had probably kicked 300+.

The problem we have is that we are desperately short of senior players, and the handful we have left are either injured, cooked, or stopped giving a ****. You can see why the club was keen to get Baker across, because whatever his limitations as a player, he gives 100%.

As frustrating as it is seeing Kelly being given second chances... I understand the thinking. We desperately need the senior players to step up and actually take some of the leadership responsibilities. To actually earn their money.

The problem is, it's not working.

It's time for the young players to step up, whether they are ready or not. It's time to stop expecting anything from the senior players. "Wining" a wooden spoon didn't motivate them. Sacking the coach hasn't motivated them. Playing some of the most diabolical, one-sided football since the collapse of Fitzroy hasn't motivated them. And making our club a laughing stock hasn't motivated them.

It's time to move on.

 

[Elite Pete]

Positive
We only played one real bad quarter. The Suns are nearly 10 goals down and it’s not even HT.