Umpiring Round 2 Bulldogs v Collingwood

[Outback Footy]

I’m interested. The umpiring apparently went collingwood’s way. Can somebody please point which of their free kicks were incorrect decisions? I do recall recall a couple of blatant errors where Darcy clearly infringed before marking and then goaled which had an impact, and the cox punch to the face was an obvious 50 which should have had the free taken from the top of the goal square.

lol, Darcy Moore chopping Sam all night? Baileys insufficient intent call v daicos stepping over the line? Thats probably the most dramatic example. English getting pinged all night yet no reward for the same action on him? Thats just a start. The cox/lobb incident was in the instant of marking, wasnt late, never paid as 50. Oscar baker front on free? Clearly not there but paid.

 

[Outback Footy]

Darcy shoved McStay in the back and sent him flying and was paid the mark which resulted in a goal. Any comment?

McStays dive you mean?

Lobb got dumped after the whistle over the line into the astroturf, kick wasnt reversed. Daicos stepping over the line coz he didnt have any options. Ball bounced off Baileys chest, he didnt possess the ball, paid as insufficient. Oscar Baker free paid against for front on. Comments?

I could do this all day, you cant.

 

[Outback Footy]

Dogs were hard done by.

The Dale deliberate is the most glowing example of how ****ed that rule is.

Particularly when compared to the Daicos incident.

Id argue Quainor taking Bramble out not getting paid was at least as egregious.

 

[Outback Footy]

You can always tell when emotions run high and ‘neutrals’ barrack against a Pies win. That’s when this sort of thread comes out.

Just quietly the Dogs first goal on Moore’s HTB is a ridiculous interpretation of prior opportunity. And Cox should have got 50 for a late high contact in a marking contest. So that’s 12 points. Add our goal margin and I’d love to see the four goals the Dogs would have got based on missed umpires decisions to make up a win.

Pointing out one deliberate call discrepancy and pretending Darcy should have got ‘10 free kicks’ for chopping isn’t an argument.

And let’s not get started on the free kick count, that’s something only an idiot would make a point ouf of.

Moores prior opp was tucking the ball. Free was there. Kick was fair, goal the result (0 change to score)
Cox/Lobb incident was in the course of attempting a mark, exactly like a frnt on spoil, free kick was all it would get, any day of the week. (0 change to score)
Sidebottoms goal was the result of at least 2 very poor decisions going the pies way, the delinerate OOB and Oscar Baker not getting paid for front on contact. (+6 pies)
Quainor took Bramble out late in the fourth on our HFF. That could have been a score in what should have been a tied game (? dogs score, any score would lead to a dogs win)
Daicos stepping out of bounds not paid. That could have been a score in what should have been a tied game (? dogs score, any score would lead to a dogs win)

They are just the obvious ones.

I tipped the pies, we were unexpectedly in it, umpiring clearly decided the game, thats what hurts dogs fans and pisses off all the neutrals commenting.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

My point is it dictated the result. Collingwood wouldnt have won without the lopsided free kick count. Thats a fact.

you may well be right. but same could be said for other games with similar imbalances which happen several times a season. I don't remember you giving a when Pies lost to Kangs last year? maybe I just missed it.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Moores prior opp was tucking the ball. Free was there. Kick was fair, goal the result (0 change to score)
Cox/Lobb incident was in the course of attempting a mark, exactly like a frnt on spoil, free kick was all it would get, any day of the week. (0 change to score)
Sidebottoms goal was the result of at least 2 very poor decisions going the pies way, the delinerate OOB and Oscar Baker not getting paid for front on contact. (+6 pies)
Quainor took Bramble out late in the fourth on our HFF. That could have been a score in what should have been a tied game (? dogs score, any score would lead to a dogs win)
Daicos stepping out of bounds not paid. That could have been a score in what should have been a tied game (? dogs score, any score would lead to a dogs win)

They are just the obvious ones.

I tipped the pies, we were unexpectedly in it, umpiring clearly decided the game, thats what hurts dogs fans and pisses off all the neutrals commenting.

No one is neutral when Pies are involved. You know that

 

[HBFlanker]

you may well be right. but same could be said for other games with similar imbalances which happen several times a season. I don't remember you giving a when Pies lost to Kangs last year? maybe I just missed it.

North were absolutely robbed that day too. Cost them the game.

Pies have form here.

Adeladie at the G last year
North at Marvel last year
and now the dogs at the G

Handy when the rub of the green consistently goes your way

 

[eddiesmith]

North were absolutely robbed that day too. Cost them the game.

Pies have form here.

Adeladie at the G last year
North at Marvel last year
and now the dogs at the G

Handy when the rub of the green consistently goes your way

Yet no one cares when it doesn’t. Nothing matches Swans games at the SCG or St Kilda last year…

 

[Reg Grundy35]

North were absolutely robbed that day too. Cost them the game.

Pies have form here.

Adeladie at the G last year
North at Marvel last year
and now the dogs at the G

Handy when the rub of the green consistently goes your way

plenty go against us. Cut the crap. Papley in the back ignored cost us a granny. A game winning freebie in the square for Freo last year. just for starters.

 

[TW Sherrin]

the funniest thing about this thread is that collingwood aren't even in the conversation for the most favored team by the umpires but that doesn't suit all the opposition supporters.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

did you agree with the bailey insufficient attempt call (which led to a goal in a 6 point game) and by comparison the daicos non-call?

Just a simple side by side comparison for your comment.

And I think youll find most dogs supporters are very happy with our performance. Not really a lot for us to be sad about. Many of us, and many neutrals clearly, do see the umpiring as being particularly poor, and unfortunately decisive in the context of this game where you guys couldnt seem to kick straight. in a fairly adjudicated game we would have stolen it.

By no means am I saying the umpiring was good, absolutely pies got the rub of the green and at crucial times.

The dale call was shit , the Daicos call imo Is a free kick but I see that happen in most games and some times it’s paid others not.

Dogs had 65 turnovers which in it self presents 65 opportunities where players should have taken another option.

Dogs also benefited from poor decisions the call on Sam Darcy’s push into Mcstays back which I believe resulted in a goal.



Prime example for the way I think is 2018 grand final. Some fans (mainly Collingwood) arguing about the free kick to Maynard and insisting the pies were robbed ( I don’t believe it was even a free)
However rewind 30 odd seconds and treloar is streaming down the wing and kicks the ball to the only spot you shouldn’t kick it straight down the line, right to where McGovern was.

Meanwhile degoey out the back in the square being lazy not even attempting to take his man away from the line of the football.

Were the dogs hard done by ? Absolutely
Did it cost them the game ? Not imo.

At the end of the day , umpires aren’t even a full time gig and are no more qualified to interpret decisions than you or I.

 

[Nvent]

plenty go against us. Cut the crap. Papley in the back ignored cost us a granny. A game winning freebie in the square for Freo last year. just for starters.

Got the GWS prelim in 2023 on the back of some incredibly poor umpire calls.

 

[Cyclops]

It was bad.

Dogs got a couple of good calls early, but after quarter time they dried up.

Some bad decisions but the non decisions went our way, especially IQ.

No reason for the free count to be equal, but bad umpiring is bad umpiring.

It was not as bad as the North game last year.

 

[Outback Footy]

By no means am I saying the umpiring was good, absolutely pies got the rub of the green and at crucial times.

The dale call was shit , the Daicos call imo Is a free kick but I see that happen in most games and some times it’s paid others not.

Dogs had 65 turnovers which in it self presents 65 opportunities where players should have taken another option.

Dogs also benefited from poor decisions the call on Sam Darcy’s push into Mcstays back which I believe resulted in a goal.



Prime example for the way I think is 2018 grand final. Some fans (mainly Collingwood) arguing about the free kick to Maynard and insisting the pies were robbed ( I don’t believe it was even a free)
However rewind 30 odd seconds and treloar is streaming down the wing and kicks the ball to the only spot you shouldn’t kick it straight down the line, right to where McGovern was.

Meanwhile degoey out the back in the square being lazy not even attempting to take his man away from the line of the football.

Were the dogs hard done by ? Absolutely
Did it cost them the game ? Not imo.

At the end of the day , umpires aren’t even a full time gig and are no more qualified to interpret decisions than you or I.

Thanks for the mature response.

I, and most honest dogs fans, didnt expect us to be anywhere close after your win last week. We were absolutely in this game but poor decisions by the umps at critical moments either robbed us of momentum or swung it your way. And in a 6 point game that really hurts. Your finishing was shite, it shouldnt have been as close as it was but thats our game.

Round 2, so plenty of time for the season to settle itself out, itd be nice to have another shot at you before the finals (assuming we get some cattle back) but I dont think we get a rematch this season, until finals.

And I know you'll be cheering us on against the blue-baggers on friday night, so cheers.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

did you agree with the bailey insufficient attempt call (which led to a goal in a 6 point game) and by comparison the daicos non-call?

Just a simple side by side comparison for your comment.

And I think youll find most dogs supporters are very happy with our performance. Not really a lot for us to be sad about. Many of us, and many neutrals clearly, do see the umpiring as being particularly poor, and unfortunately decisive in the context of this game where you guys couldnt seem to kick straight. in a fairly adjudicated game we would have stolen it.

As much as the free against Dale was wrong it did not actually cause any issues.

Dan McStay took the free and was obviously so aggrieved by the umpiring himself he actually kicked directly to Dale. (Watch the replay)

The one that really hurt was the non call for front on contact to Oskar Baker.

 

[Bont the Lord]

Have the AFL actually come out and responded to the criticism from many in the media regarding the umpiring?

 

[PerthBoy86]

It's more umpiring late in the game when the game is in the balance. 50/50 calls or even blatantly 80/20 calls against the Pies almost NEVER go against them. Just rematch all their close wins if youre sceptical or you think its selective memory or confirmation bias. Got to the point I just assume the Pies win in close ones. It's not always due to umpiring of course, gotta give them credit their, but it OFTEN is. I'd say with fair umpiring their ridiculous I dunno, 14-2 winning in close ones becomes more like 8-8.

 

[Doggy Dan]

The Pies fans booing like absolute ferals after 5 minutes when the free kick count was 4-2 in Dogs favour. Now they have the temerity to call Dogs fans whingers. Laughable hypocrisy.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Have the AFL actually come out and responded to the criticism from many in the media regarding the umpiring?

they actually arent obliged to just because the media make a lot of noise

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Got the GWS prelim in 2023 on the back of some incredibly poor umpire calls.

we can keep doing this forever

 

[Outback Footy]

No one is neutral when Pies are involved. You know that

Way to avoid a response to the issue

 

[Outback Footy]

As much as the free against Dale was wrong it did not actually cause any issues.

Dan McStay took the free and was obviously so aggrieved by the umpiring himself he actually kicked directly to Dale. (Watch the replay)

The one that really hurt was the non call for front on contact to Oskar Baker.

The free against Dale led to the ball being in our d50, baker was shirtfronted (no free), then immediately pinged for htb (which was def there but he should have already had the free kick) which then went to Sidebottom who goaled.

No free to Dale, ball in, could have gone either way, perhaps 10% chance pies score, 90% chance we reset, scores stay locked up.

 

[eddiesmith]

It's more umpiring late in the game when the game is in the balance. 50/50 calls or even blatantly 80/20 calls against the Pies almost NEVER go against them. Just rematch all their close wins if youre sceptical or you think its selective memory or confirmation bias. Got to the point I just assume the Pies win in close ones. It's not always due to umpiring of course, gotta give them credit their, but it OFTEN is. I'd say with fair umpiring their ridiculous I dunno, 14-2 winning in close ones becomes more like 8-8.

You’d have to go all the way to the end of last year to see where you’re wrong with the Sydney loss and the Carlton win in the last 5 weeks where both games the calls went the other way and a very lopsided free kick count to Sydney.

 

[Obeanie1]

Noise of affirmation exists big time for MCG tenants.

Interesting that it's only ever mentioned about Optus stadium when Vic sides th8nk they are being disadvantaged.

Coaches and presidents get upset. Calls for investigations and extra training and umpires told to not get sucked in ....but only at Optus.

Some clubs get arm chair rides. As do some players.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Way to avoid a response to the issue

oh really? you made the claim that all the "neutrals" were pissed off. My point is show me a genuine neutral in a Collingwood match. I stand by it.