AFLW Round 2 Discussion - 2021 AFLW season

[jatz14]

Look at the West Coast - Fremantle situation.

Hooker went to the Eagles as marquee. Great for her financially. Love to have her back.

Gibson was a cancer at Freo and the whole group hates her.

Pugh was the only player to switch who got a game at Fremantle.

The rest of the ex Dockers were borderline players.

West Coast will get better over time as they get the higher draft picks and I think when they are competitive Randall will come and play. Their game style is good and as better players come in it will work.

The point is that more teams won't weaken the top teams and you will get more poor teams.

People don't want to see crap teams being destroyed by the stronger teams.

Pugh? Yes please. Make it happen.

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[Teen Wolf]

But what is the damage to the brand in the meantime?

TV ratings outperforming NBL/A-League etc. Excellent crowds. Number of goals continuing to increase. Overall quality of play clearly improving each year. Lucrative sponsorship deals, clubs turning a profit off their women's footy programs. Hundreds of millions of dollars in government funding. And, pandemic willing, soaring participation numbers.

 

[jatz14]

Great pick up.

Barcelona 15 wins no loses. Goals for 78 and 3 against.

Barcelona has scored more goals than the bottom 5 clubs combined.

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Brisbane is at 757.1%, North Melbourne 563.2%, and Adelaide 357.6%.

Is that ok with you?

Yes. It's always been a feature of women's footy, because of the lower scoring.

It's entirely a product of how percentage is calculated.

Women's teams score less. A woman's team being beaten comfortably therefore struggles to score not much at all.

Percentage has opposition score as the demoninater, so as that approaches zero, the percentage blows put hugely, but it's just a mathematical artefact.

It's not something worth changing the league over.

Like the total score issue. I've seen entertaining games where each side only gets a few goals. So, accept that low scoring women's games can be entertaining and people should stop obsessing over artificially boosting scoring.

And if you accept lower scoring, then your accepting higher percentages, it's just how the math works.

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[Aardvark]

People don't want to see crap teams being destroyed by the stronger teams.

You obviously didn't watch the Superbowl then?

 

[Aardvark]

Apparently some of the remaining teams without a side aren't really keen for one?

That's incorrect. All 4 Clubs have said they are keen to play asap, yes even Port. https://thewomensgame.com/news/port-adelaide-to-strengthen-their-chance-for-aflw-team-496150

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The AFL wants 18 teams and we all know what the AFL wants usually happens sooner or later.

 

[DEVO]

TV ratings outperforming NBL/A-League etc. Excellent crowds. Number of goals continuing to increase. Overall quality of play clearly improving each year. Lucrative sponsorship deals, clubs turning a profit off their women's footy programs. Hundreds of millions of dollars in government funding. And, pandemic willing, soaring participation numbers.

TV, crowds and sponsorships will only increase if the games remain entertaining.

The number of goals are increasing because the weaker teams are getting pummelled by every increasing margins.

The quality of play amongst the top teams is improving every year, the middle tier teams like the Bulldogs and St. Kilda are showing improvement as well, but I can't say the same about teams like GWS, Gold Coast, Geelong and Richmond. They all look to have stagnated or taken a step backwards.

 

[Teen Wolf]

TV, crowds and sponsorships will only increase if the games remain entertaining.

The number of goals are increasing because the weaker teams are getting pummelled by every increasing margins.

Same stuff was being said in 2018 when the Bulldogs beat Carlton 86-13. This is the second year of 14 teams, all those KPIs would have already dropped off if this phase of expansion was a mistake.

The quality of play amongst the top teams is improving every year, the middle tier teams like the Bulldogs and St. Kilda are showing improvement as well, but I can't say the same about teams like GWS, Gold Coast, Geelong and Richmond. They all look to have stagnated or taken a step backwards.

GWS were very good last week in just about the worst possible circumstances. Gold Coast had their best-ever showing in R1. Richmond haven't been great, but they haven't copped a thrashed yet either. Geelong are currently without their best player, so of course they aren't as competitive as last year.

 

[Cdog71]

If the AFL were really concerned about the gap between the top and bottom teams, they would've handed out more than just two end-of-first-round priority picks last year. Perhaps they'll be more active this year, but it's too early to tell.

I think Richmond only has itself to blame in regards to recruiting, though the impact of new draftees has probably surprised everyone.

 

[BarbieITFC]

Same stuff was being said in 2018 when the Bulldogs beat Carlton 86-13. This is the second year of 14 teams, all those KPIs would have already dropped off if this phase of expansion was a mistake.

GWS were very good last week in just about the worst possible circumstances. Gold Coast had their best-ever showing in R1. Richmond haven't been great, but they haven't copped a thrashed yet either. Geelong are currently without their best player, so of course they aren't as competitive as last year.

It's like people have forgotten how the Suns and Giants entered the men's comp:

- Suns in 2011: Defeats by 119, 71, 90, 139, 57, 66, 59, 71, 50, 70, 54, 150, 62,61
- Giants in 2012: Defeats by 63, 129, 81, 46, 42. 67, 92, 66, 65, 78, 94, 162, 119, 95, 120, 128

It's exacerbated because six teams were introduced in the space of two season, but looking at the great kids coming through this will be short term pain for long term gain.

The improvement across the comp in five years is staggering.

 

[Teen Wolf]

I think Richmond only has itself to blame in regards to recruiting, though the impact of new draftees has probably surprised everyone.

Could've been better, but expansion clubs have been punished far more severely for getting things wrong than inaugural clubs.

Richmond didn't make any mistake that was worse than, say, Adelaide overlooking Courtney Gum. Which team won a flag in its first season and which won a wooden spoon!

 

[Cdog71]

Could've been better, but expansion clubs have been punished far more severely for getting things wrong than inaugural clubs.

Richmond didn't make any mistake that was worse than, say, Adelaide overlooking Courtney Gum. Which team won a flag in its first season and which won a wooden spoon!

Yep hindsight and all that, though still stings a little watching Grace Egan.
Its only game number 8 for us and if a few things hadve gone our way we wouldve been there at the end of the third quarter in both games.

Training starts this week for juniors got a feeling theres gonna be good numbers for the girls with more moments of skill and organised teams on the telly than the wince of watching reckless play and collisions.

 

[radiojake]

Gibson was a cancer at Freo and the whole group hates her.

What's the deal there?

I assumed she left Adelaide after losing marquee status after Season 1, or was there more to it there as well?

 

[HongKongRoo]

So North keeps St Kilda to a single goal, and win pretty comfortably yet St Kilda end up with four players in the team of the week and North end up with two. Just goes to show how misleading stats can be. A champion team will always beat a team of champions.

 

[DEVO]

So North keeps St Kilda to a single goal, and win pretty comfortably yet St Kilda end up with four players in the team of the week and North end up with two. Just goes to show how misleading stats can be. A champion team will always beat a team of champions.

In the coaches votes, North had five players to St. Kilda's two. It's almost like they are watching a different game.

 

[Oscarman]

So North keeps St Kilda to a single goal, and win pretty comfortably yet St Kilda end up with four players in the team of the week and North end up with two. Just goes to show how misleading stats can be. A champion team will always beat a team of champions.

Does Cooper Grech do this Team of the week too?

 

[BringBackTorps]

1.

Like the total score issue. I've seen entertaining games where each side only gets a few goals. So, accept that low scoring women's games can be entertaining[No] and people should stop obsessing over artificially [It's essential] boosting scoring.

Very few people, including the:-

. Broadcasters (as per previous public complaints by Seven executives over boring, low scoring football).

. AFL (as per the AFL's The Charter Of The Game ie AF should, generally, be attacking & free flowing, with good scoring).

. AF historians (gun full forwards regularly kicking bags gave AF, arguably, its biggest increases in popularity).

. big majority of fans...

would agree with you re "a few goals". Most reject totally any appeal for such low scoring games

You have no idea about the game's history, & its essence- we are not, & never wanted to be, a rugby-style tackling/scrappy/stoppages game.

A big majority of the most experienced MSM commentators also have stated they want an an end to the scrappy congestion; & want good scoring.

IMO, the AFLW should seek an average minimum 9 goals+ in total, in fine conditions, in their shortened AFLW games.

What is "artificial" & foreign about the current AFLW (& AFL) game style is regularly having 32 players in half the ground, with massive interchange & a big bench. This is "artificial", & is NOT AF.
The AFLW would be better with only 2 on the bench, with interchange c. 4 per team, per game- games would open up more from the 3rd qtr/scoring would increase.

The huge no. of stoppages & scrappy play detract from the AFL & AFLW's appeal- ditto the record huge nos. of tackles/ bumps/collisions/pushes, which also increase injury rates.



2. From my observations in 2021 (both attending AFLW games, & watching on TV this season), there has again (repeating the annual AFLW trend) been an improvement in skill levels generally, across all the teams. Players' kicking & handballing efficiency seems to have improved, & is more slick (Haven't seen any stats.).
Also, more overhead, contested marks seem to be taken.

GCFC played well last year, their shocking game/spectacle against Brisbane was probably just an off-day.
GWS & RFC have been OK, scoreboard not showing the true level of competitiveness for both. RFC will probably improve this year- kicking straight for goal will help!


SEN Melbourne D. Russel 9.2.21 has expressed similar comments today about the improvements.

Russel said, re the first 2 Rounds

" Ball use has been spectacular, fluency has been amazing to watch...Marking has been great, short passing has been really good...The improvement has been rapid".

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[mookieb]

That women's leagues don't generally have 14 teams is a testament to how women's sport is viewed, not how much female talent there is.

AFLW has to get to 18 teams in the long run. Not doing so limits the market and revenue.

The question is, more pain for a shorter period, or less pain, but drawn out.

My take is, you do it faster, because this brings benefits outside AFLW.

What people aren't taking into account is how much better they are this year than 2017. You see strings of long passes hitting the target, and the mark taken in the hands out in front, even under pressure.

2017, you never got passages like that because either a kick was fluffed, a mark dropped under no pressure, or she tries to take it on her chest and gets spoiled. Then fumble it on the ground, then get tackled to oblivion.

The fastest way to make a player better is put her in an AFLW squad. The fastest way to make a lower league better is have as many players from that league as possible in an AFLW squad (barring Covid of course).

This is the rationale of fast expansion.

WAWFL gets better faster with 2 clubs in WA than with 1. Freos Mikayla Hyde has shown she has what it takes to play AFLW, and she didn't even get drafted, she is a top up player.

No Eagles, she has no chance of being selected.

Lewis, Davidson, Verrier, Hyde etc, are all kids that later this year will make the WAWFL a stronger comp. They will make the WAWFL training squads better.

AFLW improves when the second tier comps improve, and the faster you pump players through the AFLW, the faster that happens.

The whole league is bootstrapping itself. The faster the better in the long run imop.

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I watched some of the games when AFLW started and literally most players couldn't take a chest mark. Scrub kick, drop mark, fumble, fumble, get tackled, ball up. Watching this year and the skills and ball movement seem quite good. Especially marking - hardly ever see a mark dropped now.

 

[blueiris]

If the AFL were really concerned about the gap between the top and bottom teams, they would've handed out more than just two end-of-first-round priority picks last year. Perhaps they'll be more active this year, but it's too early to tell.

Brisbane have started the season strong like always, but their idiot coach will run them into the ground by about r6 again.

Carlton have started in the opposite fashion to 2018, when they ended up winning the wooden spoon.

Other than GWS, who will bounce back from a nightmare fixture and preparation, the teams to have copped thrashings so far should be judged on their good days at this stage in their development.

Youngest team age wise in the AFLW last year were the Lions as a north supporter you really don’t have anything to be very arrogant about

 

[Teen Wolf]

Youngest team age wise in the AFLW last year were the Lions as a north supporter you really don’t have anything to be very arrogant about

A s**t attempt at defending a s**t coach. R6 2020: Collingwood (average age 25 years 12 days) 5.13.43 DEFEATED Brisbane (average age 25 years 21 days) 2.2.14.

And, really, Collingwood fielded an even younger team that day because 32yo Sharni Layton left the match a minute into it.

Regardless, my comment wasn't just based on 2020 performance. Brisbane has faded out in every season so far, including their grand final years (winless in the last two weeks of 2017; blew it in 2018 even though everything about that GF conspired in their favour).

 

[cmndstab]

What's the deal there?

I assumed she left Adelaide after losing marquee status after Season 1, or was there more to it there as well?

I don't think there was any more to it. The Crows decided to elevate Erin Phillips to a tier 1 player, which meant Gibson would go to tier 2. She probably figured that she could be at home for the same money, so why not.

I have no idea what the story is at Freo, but she has always played very angry and seems like a bit of a hothead. It's possible she just rubbed people the wrong way.

 

[showemhowtorock]

I don't think there was any more to it. The Crows decided to elevate Erin Phillips to a tier 1 player, which meant Gibson would go to tier 2. She probably figured that she could be at home for the same money, so why not.

I have no idea what the story is at Freo, but she has always played very angry and seems like a bit of a hothead. It's possible she just rubbed people the wrong way.

According to kellie in an article too there was an argument that stemmed from kellie turning up late to a dinner ebony invited her too or something but i doubt that was serious, it just seems like they just liked her at freo and then she left and rivalry overtook the friendship tbh.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Lions lucky to play garbage sides early

I can’t wait to play the suns and tigers to boost ours even more

Think you should be content with kicking some goals and winning matches before you start worrying about percentage.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Think you should be content with kicking some goals and winning matches before you start worrying about percentage.

If we had your fixture you’d be bumping nothing at this stage

 

[Hollow Knight]

If we had your fixture you’d be bumping nothing at this stage

It’s okay, you just went off a bit early. You can supposedly get nasal sprays for that.

Some of us have been following AFLW teams since the beginning who have built their teams from nothing rather than arriving late and benefitting from the work of others.

With that experience comes the wisdom that getting carried away 2 weeks into an AFLW season is very foolish.

Quite a few teams could win this on their day. Enjoy the season and try to ease off on swinging your member around.

 

[The Nostradamus]

It’s okay, you just went off a bit early. You can supposedly get nasal sprays for that.

Some of us have been following AFLW teams since the beginning who have built their teams from nothing rather than arriving late and benefitting from the work of others.

With that experience comes the wisdom that getting carried away 2 weeks into an AFLW season is very foolish.

Quite a few teams could win this on their day. Enjoy the season and try to ease off on swinging your member around.

Nope didn’t go early at all

the statement was as true as it was then as it is now

you’ve played s**t teams the first 3 weeks and if we get those 3 s**t teams next then percentage booster