Round 2 Discussion Thread

[ldamico]

F***

Eddy ---> Hannan is the sensible option yeah?

 

[Nelso]

I am done
Ken can GAGF now

Don't agree with that decision.

Eddy deserved a decent go at the top level.

Hopefully he comes back in a few weeks time.

 

[jdwood]

Nankervis has been obliterated in the ruck for two weeks running and scored over 120. I am not sure what is going on, but I must say that I am loving the ride.

352/3

That's a great start, but can't help feel a little envious of those that started with Adams and WHE.

Pendles has also posted the most awkward VC score imaginable. I know I should take it, I will probably take it, but Danger is playing the team that he scored 200+ against last year.

 

[JRyan23]

Bring in Hannan or Houston???

 

[Hear Me Crow]

Nank had 6 HTA. 30pts. 95 for the rest. Pfffft.

Correct me if I am wrong...
Taking Treloar's 2 goals off his score he scored 92pts. So CD are saying Nank scored more points around the ground than Treloar? WTF are they doing?

 

[Kadog]

Did get 14 contested possessions and clunked a couple of big intercept marks.

I'm not disputing he a good game but the inflation for some and deflation for others annoys the shit of me. Pendles Goldy Laird last week. Treloar was surely better than a 107 despite the 65%DE. The kid had leather poisoning last night.

Every week there's controversy. Don't matter whether 'said' player is in your team or not, all we ask for is a fair and transparent scoring system. It's clearly mapped out but they certainly ain't following it.

 

[The_Steadier]

Nankervis has been obliterated in the ruck for two weeks running and scored over 120. I am not sure what is going on

What's going on is very simple.

Any players' SC score has absolutely nothing to do with their opponents score.

By the same logic goldstein got beaten/obliterated by gawn last year when max scored 170.

goldy scored 170 as well but got beaten/obliterated?

Nank has played against 2 ruckmen who have played great games.
Doesn't mean he automatically can't play well/score well too.

 

[GRUFFY]

Eddy is the perfect forward loophole option for Taranto with Parfitt/Pickett/Hannan/Houston this round now.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

What's going on is very simple.

Any players' SC score has absolutely nothing to do with their opponents score.

By the same logic goldstein got beaten/obliterated by gawn last year when max scored 170.

goldy scored 170 as well but got beaten/obliterated?

Nank has played against 2 ruckmen who have played great games.
Doesn't mean he automatically can't play well/score well too.

Umm no he didn't... Goldy kicked a lazy 4 goals from memory and we won the game by less than a kick...

 

[Kadog]

Yep lets just ignore the other stuff if your playing as a ruck.

Clearly. Goldy 11p @ 100%DE (6 contested) 3 goals only counts for 55pts.

Nank is not only KOTD but kissed around the anus. Grundy SMASHED him in all categories yet barely outscored him. It's a joke.

 

[Nelso]

Don't agree with that decision.

Eddy deserved a decent go at the top level.

Hopefully he comes back in a few weeks time.

Ideal situation is that he comes back in round 5 and plays the next 4 weeks against Carlton, Brisbane, West Coast and Gold Coast.

I can see him getting some goals against those teams.

 

[The_Steadier]

Every week there's controversy. Don't matter whether 'said' player is in your team or not, all we ask for is a fair and transparent scoring system. It's clearly mapped out but they certainly ain't following it.

Anyone who has ever actually bothered to investigate how things are scored (by reading the various sources of info about SC scoring), will tell you it's not controversial at all.

The controversy is in people's heads... because what they THINK they know about scoring is wrong.

For instance, as previously mentioned- hitouts to opposition LOSE points.
Grundy had a million hitouts, but probably LOST a heap of points from ones that went to tiggers.
In these cases he literally would have been better off not contesting the ruck or losing it to nank.

Another 2 examples- there is NOTHING special about a clearance or an inside 50.

There's plenty more commonly assumed 'facts' about SC scoring like this.

Rather than blaming some conspiracy about CD favourites in the first instance, go and actually read with your own eyeballs how the scoring works.
If you still believe we didn't land on the moon and CD play favourites after reading how the scoring ACTUALLY works....
Dreamteam is for you, not supercoach.

 

[Pocket Aces]

Clearly. Goldy 11p @ 100%DE (6 contested) 3 goals only counts for 55pts.

Nank is not only KOTD but kissed around the anus. Grundy SMASHED him in all categories yet barely outscored him. It's a joke.

Not all HTA are scored at 5 points...they cant be as all scores are weighted up or down to fit in the 3300 point cap...plus scoring in games already decided do not carry the same weight as scores from earlier in the game.

Grundy beating Nankervis in the ruckwork component does not correlate to a poor score for Nank.

 

[The_Steadier]

Umm no he didn't... Goldy kicked a lazy 4 goals from memory and we won the game by less than a kick...

Exactly my point.
Goldy DIDN'T get beaten/obliterated just because his opponent had a great game.

 

[Nelso]

My mail is that Robbie Gray is unlikely to play this week

Atley will come in for him.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Exactly my point.
Goldy DIDN'T get beaten/obliterated just because his opponent had a great game.

Oh ok. I misread

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Nank went at 33% HTA. 18 hit outs to Grundy's 45. 14 contested possessions would have boosted his score.

Grundy also had exactly 14 contested possessions

 

[HEYTRUEROO]

Anyone who has ever actually bothered to investigate how things are scored (by reading the various sources of info about SC scoring), will tell you it's not controversial at all.

The controversy is in people's heads... because what they THINK they know about scoring is wrong.

For instance, as previously mentioned- hitouts to opposition LOSE points.
Grundy had a million hitouts, but probably LOST a heap of points from ones that went to tiggers.
In these cases he literally would have been better off not contesting the ruck or losing it to nank.

Another 2 examples- there is NOTHING special about a clearance or an inside 50.

There's plenty more commonly assumed 'facts' about SC scoring like this.

Rather than blaming some conspiracy about CD favourites in the first instance, go and actually read with your own eyeballs how the scoring works.
If you still believe we didn't land on the moon and CD play favourites after reading how the scoring ACTUALLY works....
Dreamteam is for you, not supercoach.

Following on from The_Steadier's points. See below for how statistics are scored as per HS article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...a/news-story/7385b9a5cdd20375bf2ed606a02fe1d0

SCORING
Goal 8
Behind 1
Score Assist 3.5
CONTESTED FOOTY
Intercept Contested Mark 8
Contested Mark 6
Contested Possession at Ground Level 4.5
Intercept Possession 4.5
UNCONTESTED FOOTY
Mark on a Lead 5
Uncontested Mark 2
Handball Received 1.5
Gather 1.5
RUCK CONTESTS
Hitout to Advantage 5
Hitout to Advantage 0
Hitout Sharked -1
FREE KICKS
Free Kick 4
Free Against -4
50m Penalty Against -8.5
HITTING TARGETS
Effective Kick 4
Effective Handball 1.5
Ineffective Disposal 0
Clanger Disposal -4
ONE-PERCENTERS
Tackle 4
Spoil 2
Shepherd 1.5

Obviously additional to the above is individual scaling to a game total points scored of 3,300 points.

 

[NormaJeanHawk]

Anyone who has ever actually bothered to investigate how things are scored (by reading the various sources of info about SC scoring), will tell you it's not controversial at all.

The controversy is in people's heads... because what they THINK they know about scoring is wrong.

For instance, as previously mentioned- hitouts to opposition LOSE points.
Grundy had a million hitouts, but probably LOST a heap of points from ones that went to tiggers.
In these cases he literally would have been better off not contesting the ruck or losing it to nank.

Another 2 examples- there is NOTHING special about a clearance or an inside 50.

There's plenty more commonly assumed 'facts' about SC scoring like this.

Rather than blaming some conspiracy about CD favourites in the first instance, go and actually read with your own eyeballs how the scoring works.
If you still believe we didn't land on the moon and CD play favourites after reading how the scoring ACTUALLY works....
Dreamteam is for you, not supercoach.

Sounds like you work for CD

 

[Huttabito]

Isn't there something like 100 metrics though? That's just a handful of them which makes it hard to understand the scoring as they fail to fill us in on all the rest.

 

[NormaJeanHawk]

Following on from The_Steadier's points. See below for how statistics are scored as per HS article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...a/news-story/7385b9a5cdd20375bf2ed606a02fe1d0

SCORING
Goal 8
Behind 1
Score Assist 3.5
CONTESTED FOOTY
Intercept Contested Mark 8
Contested Mark 6
Contested Possession at Ground Level 4.5
Intercept Possession 4.5
UNCONTESTED FOOTY
Mark on a Lead 5
Uncontested Mark 2
Handball Received 1.5
Gather 1.5
RUCK CONTESTS
Hitout to Advantage 5
Hitout to Advantage 0
Hitout Sharked -1
FREE KICKS
Free Kick 4
Free Against -4
50m Penalty Against -8.5
HITTING TARGETS
Effective Kick 4
Effective Handball 1.5
Ineffective Disposal 0
Clanger Disposal -4
ONE-PERCENTERS
Tackle 4
Spoil 2
Shepherd 1.5

Obviously additional to the above is individual scaling to a game total points scored of 3,300 points.

If the scoring is so black and white then why are certain scores weighted? That's clearly up to cd to decided and that's what pisses everyone off here
Talk of how fire dusty is means he gets 118 last night

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Nank had 6 HTA. 30pts. 95 for the rest. Pfffft.

Exactly. So 10 points less than Treloars million possessions and a goal.
It's complete BS

 

[HEYTRUEROO]

Isn't there something like 100 metrics though? That's just a handful of them which makes it hard to understand the scoring as they fail to fill us in on all the rest.

Potentially. Wouldn't put it passed them to not reveal the entire 'truth' behind the scoring system. However if it really is that simple ^ + scaling, then....

If only there was a website that tracked each individual player for each game and gave a numerical 'counting stat' for each of the above not only would it be transparent what each player has scored and how they've scored that value (excluding scaling of course), but also make projecting players scores a lot more accurate.

 

[anditsadraw69]

My mail is that Robbie Gray is unlikely to play this week

Atley will come in for him.

How good is your mail? Have him in my draft team. OP?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Grundy had 12 HTAs from 45 hitouts
Nank 6 from 18.

He's been beaten by the other ruck both weeks, but it's not like he hasn't turned up at all, he's been great. Being in the winning team is probably what ends up being the deciding factor.

This just proves it.
Grundy +30 from hitouts compared to Nank.
Possessions Grundys way plus the goal yet only 11 more points. Rigged