Review Round 2 Postgame - Loss Against Sydney at Home

[Taylor]

As far as I can tell Michael Barlow, a similar sort of big bodied midfielder not blessed with great pace or disposal, didn't debut for Fremantle until next year, in Erasmus age comparison?

Yes, Barlow was a year older than Erasmus is now when he debuted for Fremantle in 2010.

Maybe it takes that long for that type of player to get there?

 

[Lach72]

As far as I can tell Michael Barlow, a similar sort of big bodied midfielder not blessed with great pace or disposal, didn't debut for Fremantle until next year, in Erasmus age comparison?

Yes, Barlow was a year older than Erasmus is now when he debuted for Fremantle in 2010.

Maybe it takes that long for that type of player to get there?

Barlow pre leg break had decent pace and his disposal was good, by hand it was elite.

He looked slow because he ran like a duck.

More to point he had a footy brain much like Murphy Reid has.

Not seeing anything like that from Erasmus and his disposal is ordinary by hand and foot

 

[blue shark]

As far as I can tell Michael Barlow, a similar sort of big bodied midfielder not blessed with great pace or disposal, didn't debut for Fremantle until next year, in Erasmus age comparison?

Yes, Barlow was a year older than Erasmus is now when he debuted for Fremantle in 2010.

Maybe it takes that long for that type of player to get there?

Maybe rotate more players through the midfield and flanks?
Brayshaw/Serong at halfback

Barlow pre leg break had decent pace and his disposal was good, by hand it was elite.

He looked slow because he ran like a duck.

More to point he had a footy brain much like Murphy Reid has.

Not seeing anything like that from Erasmus and his disposal is ordinary by hand and foot

Ryan Crowley is where Erasmus is at.
But we don’t tag or run with players.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Barlow pre leg break had decent pace and his disposal was good, by hand it was elite.

He looked slow because he ran like a duck.

More to point he had a footy brain much like Murphy Reid has.

Not seeing anything like that from Erasmus and his disposal is ordinary by hand and foot

Read this:

POSITION: Midfielder/Forward

SNAPSHOT: “A prolific tall ball winner who utilises his strength overhead to impact up forward, Erasmus is a prototypical goal kicking midfielder.”

Subiaco and Hale School product Neil Erasmus starred in the 2020 WAFL Colts Grand Final with a four-goal haul to put his name in lights, and hasn’t missed a beat since across multiple competitions. Erasmus finds the footy with ease when playing through the midfield as he balances his inside and outside work superbly, finding ways out of trouble with his evasion and clean hands. To go with this midfield craft, Erasmus is able to play as a target up forward, with his leading patterns and marking two traits which help him hurt the opposition in attack.

Strengths:

Accumulation
Consistency
Endurance
Overhead Marking
Scoreboard Impact
Leading Patterns

Improvements:

Kicking Consistency
Explosive Speed

After a standout 2020 WAFL Colts Grand Final performance, Erasmus continued to go from strength to strength in 2021, proving arguably the best player in the PSA season for Hale, the side he captained, and being a later inclusion to the AFL Academy squad which took on Geelong VFL. Erasmus was unsurprisingly involved in the WA Under 19 squad and performed well in the practice matches he participated in, before unfortunately missing out on championships proper against South Australia as his year was cut short by a corked quad.

As a midfielder, Erasmus is generally one of the main ball winners on the ground. Whether the target of the tap around a stoppage, winning it in a pack, or timing his run to receive it on the outside, Erasmus knows where to be to win the ball and almost commands it with his presence. A big strength of Erasmus’ once he wins the ball is his use by hand. Even in traffic or under a high amount of pressure, Erasmus generally spots out an option and handballs well, with his ability to keep his hands free in congestion a major part of that. How consistent Erasmus is with that accumulation, and his quality use by hand are impressive across all levels of competition, regularly getting above 30 disposals.

There aren’t many improvements that Erasmus needs to work on heading into the future, being a generally well rounded prospect. His kicking at times can be inconsistent, with his penetration and decision making generally sound but accuracy being something he can struggle with, particularly under pressure or on the run. His goal kicking accuracy had previously been a bit of a concern but is something he’s improved through the year, especially his set shots. Another area of improvement that would advance Erasmus’ all-round game is his explosive speed, which would help him create separation when leading more consistently or get away from opponents in the midfield more easily. At the moment, he is the type of player who covers good ground over time.

DRAFT PROJECTION: 6-12

SUMMARY:

With his effectiveness in the forward line as a strong marker with good leading patterns, Erasmus is one that should be able to play at AFL level early on for whichever club picks him up, and will be able to rotate through the midfield as he builds to a more permanent role through the guts. His endurance base and consistency bode well alongside his aerial tricks and scoreboard impact, all traits which have him firmly in top 10 contention.

Then go here: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/N/Neil_Erasmus.html

 

[Madas]

Does anybody else think we might have cooked the players in pre-season? I look at Andy who said himself he had a full preseason. He hasn't taken any knocks I don't think, so why does it look like he's running in quicksand?

There are probably others, but he is the one that stands out to me.

Maybe judge it when we don’t play in 32 degrees

 

[Purple Suit]

Barlow pre leg break had decent pace and his disposal was good, by hand it was elite.

He looked slow because he ran like a duck.

More to point he had a footy brain much like Murphy Reid has.

Not seeing anything like that from Erasmus and his disposal is ordinary by hand and foot

Erasmus was serviceable on the weekend. Effort was there and had 5 score involvements. I’m hopeful his disposal will improve once he gets settled in the team.

Needs to hand ball it to the good users more, like Voss should be. That coach killer kick that lead to Sydney’s 2nd last goal was beyond stupid after spraying it all day.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Erasmus was serviceable on the weekend. Effort was there and had 5 score involvements. I’m hopeful his disposal will improve once he gets settled in the team.

Needs to hand ball it to the good users more, like Voss should be. That coach killer kick that lead to Sydney’s 2nd last goal was beyond stupid after spraying it all day.

It was a great kick to Frederick.

 

[Joao]

Definite possibility. Hopefully that plays out towards the second half of the season and we come home with a wet sail. Nothing else makes sense.

I wonder if it pays off later in the year, or the players are just cooked.

I know nothing about conditioning, but man I hope PJ is right. Just come home right over the top of everyone all the way to the bank.

Except I dont think they were a pick 10 in the draft, we should have done a lot better. Soligo was pick 36 in that draft.

And Treacy should have gone pick 1 or 2. Swings and roundabouts.

Maybe judge it when we don’t play in 32 degrees

That's why I singled out Andy. That dude is unconditional and I don't think that at full fitness he's be remotely bothered about a game or two in 30+ conditions.

Something isn't right.

 

[jusjoshin]

Second game in the mid thirties and it showed by the end. Geelong got run off their feet by the saints in the first half, and really only the Swans inaccuracy kept us close as we had lead in our boots all game. If any of the big four Vic clubs had been scheduled to play two consecutive games in high temps like this there would be an inquisition. We still had chances to win but our own inaccuracy and some interesting umpiring interpretations late in tha game put paid to that.

We sucked donkey balls against the cats, but some people need to put the sharp implements away.

 

[Madas]

Second game in the mid thirties and it showed by the end. Geelong got run off their feet by the saints in the first half, and really only the Swans inaccuracy kept us close as we had lead in our boots all game. If any of the big four Vic clubs had been scheduled to play two consecutive games in high temps like this there would be an inquisition. We still had chances to win but our own inaccuracy and some interesting umpiring interpretations late in tha game put paid to that.

We sucked donkey balls against the cats, but some people need to put the sharp implements away.

Yep
Sunday forecast 30 degrees with strongish east winds
These blokes shouldn’t have to play in this heat , it’s not right
Surely they can schedule night games for the interstate teams if we have to start the season early in March ?

 

[Joao]

Second game in the mid thirties and it showed by the end. Geelong got run off their feet by the saints in the first half, and really only the Swans inaccuracy kept us close as we had lead in our boots all game. If any of the big four Vic clubs had been scheduled to play two consecutive games in high temps like this there would be an inquisition. We still had chances to win but our own inaccuracy and some interesting umpiring interpretations late in tha game put paid to that.

We sucked donkey balls against the cats, but some people need to put the sharp implements away.

This might be valid if the Cats started strongly and faded. They were the exact opposite.

 

[jusjoshin]

This might be valid if the Cats started strongly and faded. They were the exact opposite.

... because Ross knew the Cats would be slow off the mark and blitzed them in the first half. The cats have better general fitness, but just couldn't go with the saints early on.

I'm not saying we couldn't have won the swans game, but we didn't start that game off scratch.

 

[Joao]

... because Ross knew the Cats would be slow off the mark and blitzed them in the first half. The cats have better general fitness, but just couldn't go with the saints early on.

I'm not saying we couldn't have won the swans game, but we didn't start that game off scratch.

I'd believe that if and only if Ross said it. I can believe he wanted to start strong in general, no problem.

 

[Madas]

I know nothing about conditioning, but man I hope PJ is right. Just come home right over the top of everyone all the way to the bank.

And Treacy should have gone pick 1 or 2. Swings and roundabouts.

That's why I singled out Andy. That dude is unconditional and I don't think that at full fitness he's be remotely bothered about a game or two in 30+ conditions.

Something isn't right.

I take your point though and wonder the same with Bolton
Dude has barely ever missed a game and then all of a sudden his shin splints

I do wonder whether they fix over cook it in the pre-season
Hopefully it pays dividends later in the year
God knows what the secret recipe to getting it all right is ( being a big Vic club is definitely one of the ingredients)

 

[EastcoastDocker]

Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime, Anytemperature

 

[dont bowl there]

Vic bias / the afl has cost us 10 consecutive premierships.

 

[dropbear101]

so the loss after playing freo trend continues.

 

[gaskin]

Surely they can schedule night games for the interstate teams if we have to start the season early in March ?

Not while daylight saving is happening.

 

[Freomaniac]

I don't completely blame the mids for this particular loss. Coaching, Voss' spud efforts (he could've/should've been the hero), Cox and umpiring for me. (Mids were trash though, except JOM)

Voss drops an easy mark in the second, 30m out under no pressure.

Drops an easy mark 50m in the third, then gives away a free kick. Then his next contest, he kicks it out on the full.

Last quarter, he missed the easy match winner, then kicks it into the corridor, under no pressure, with no freo player within 30m of his kick. Ball had to go into the forward line.

Voss was a coach killer and he's been in the system for too long to dish up that putrid. If he could kick, he'd be a good player, but he can't and this is where his career is, a frustrating player that you cannot trust

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I reckon had Sam Sturt been fit, he would of been chosen over Voss.

Nothing personal against Voss, he can be a solid kpf eventually .

This would of been a game Sam Sturt would of played and got us over the line with 8 to 12 disposals and 2 or 3 goals from his full 2 or 3 chances

 

[MadMundy]

Can I just say..
Flagmantle, if you’re on here. You’re embarrassing, disgusting and unnecessary. Fremantle fans, as much as we are frustrated, shouldn’t resort down to the level of the West Coast’s style and just throw vitriol.
It’s unfortunate that page is infamous on Facebook, it’s downright pathetic

What did he go and say now?

 

[Freomaniac]

What’s going on with Andy and Serong? Why are they playing forward so much? They also look completely cooked. Are they both carrying injuries? The ****

Both blokes got 19 disposals each. If both got 30 or even 25 disposals each and possibly a goal or 2 each, we probably win.

 

[Freomaniac]

ODriscoll, Sharp, Erasmus, Brayshaw, Serong, JOM, Johnson.

Not one elite kick.

Add Banfield, Switta, Frederick plus Ryan.

They are all somewhere between poor to good kicks, and not many are good.

You have to question our drafting priorities.

I actually thought Nathan O'Driscoll had a nice left foot. There was a thread about it.

Sharp is a semi decent kick.

I can't say Frederick is a bad kick of he is capable of kicking 30 goals a season

 

[go_the_dockers]

I actually thought Nathan O'Driscoll had a nice left foot. There was a thread about it.

Sharp is a semi decent kick.

I can't say Frederick is a bad kick of he is capable of kicking 30 goals a season

I don't think O'Driscoll is great at hitting a leading target.
Sharp is the same.

You can argue if they are good or average kicks, but wouldn't put them in the very good or elite category.

I did say "poor to good", but in reality other than Young, we don't have many very good to elite kicks in our best 22.

Reid has the potential to in that category as well.

I would prefer to have Treacy kicking to a leading forward than a lot of our mids.

 

[Freomaniac]

Very close to what?

We are at risk of wasting a talented list with a subpar gameplan that doesn’t hold up under pressure. The main risk is continuing down the same path.

Yesterday Treacy, Jackson and Pearce were immense. JOM blunted Heeney completely. Yet we still lost to Sydney missing half a dozen best 22 players. The formula for beating Freo is easy, chase tackle, make life hard and we wilt.

I’d love to coach against us because all it takes is effort to beat us. Not talent. Effort.

True ... Our current playing list has talent and flair. There is actually players at worst with decent kickers. It's the determination or lack of it that hurts.

I mean our 2012-15 finals side under Ross Lyon had blokes like Nick Suban , Jono Griffin, Matt Deboer and Clancee Pearce. They were C grade blokes but tried hard.

 

[Freomaniac]

I don't think O'Driscoll is great at hitting a leading target.
Sharp is the same.

You can argue if they are good or average kicks, but wouldn't put them in the very good or elite category.

I did say "poor to good", but in reality other than Young, we don't have many very good to elite kicks in our best 22.

Reid has the potential to in that category as well.

I would prefer to have Treacy kicking to a leading forward than a lot of our mids.

Treacy a good kick to a leading forward? Maybe.

But I rather him in the forward 50 taking set shots in goal. 4 goals and 1 behind from 5 shots was good on the weekend