Autopsy Round 2 vs Bravedogs. Things learnt

[The King!]

I cant believe i got you with such a poor april fools LukeParkerno1

 

[Tuco]

Trigger warning: facts

Despite the Bulldogs winning more contested ball than us, and having 60 more possessions in total, they still managed to out-tackle us. That is the sign of superior work-rate, when you lay more tackles even when your opposition has less of the ball. Perhaps that made a minor contribution to the result, even though most of it was umpiring

There were two different gamestyles on display, though.

We avoided the spread, handballed in close and attempted to kick long to what we saw as an advantage in our tall forwards - Reid, Buddy etc.

They did what they are great at which is stripping ball in congested areas and being prepared to take it outside to benefit their advantage in speed.

Both teams did a bit of both, of course. But generally i was expecting them to possess it more.

But you are dead right about their work rate. It's elite and they are the benchmark this year for a reason.

 

[The King!]

So the AFL cleared the Mills free...of course they did! Under no physical pressure because Picken waved his arms around instead of tackling, which is exactly what he would have done once Mills took the ball!

Mills free was bearable compared to the other 399000 decisions that went the dogs way

 

[The King!]

Trigger warning: facts

Despite the Bulldogs winning more contested ball than us, and having 60 more possessions in total, they still managed to out-tackle us. That is the sign of superior work-rate, when you lay more tackles even when your opposition has less of the ball. Perhaps that made a minor contribution to the result, even though most of it was umpiring

I know what you are saying

But 51-25 is also a fact too

 

[Keyter]

This is not Super Coach!
This is real time football & not an artificially manufactured competition where everyone sits on their phones checking stats & assesses how many kicks & tackles their team has collected over the 3 games running concurrently.
I'm assuming you were at the game too & what stats don't tell you is the time allowed to the Dogs players when tackled was in another universe to that the Swans were in. Only a subtle interpretation change but we weren't given the latitude in many instances that they were so I will ignore the Doggie supporters sitting next to me who said we were pretty stiff on a number of occasions when we were pinged.

But I should stress that this is not why we lost because Super Coach ratings have them way ahead of us on stats so I should just ignore what I saw live at the game & how the momentum, which is not measured in any super coach ratings, was lost again at critical times.

But once again I should stress that this is not why we lost!

What do I know! I don't do super coach. I just watch 1 or 2 games of AFL live every week!

Some of the posters are not up to afl standard. The depth deplorable. The stats prove it.

On side note stunning blind turn by fox last night with 'look at me' stringer trying to line him up. Great stuff live.

 

[stevie26]

Too often last night we were punished for being first to the ball.

Would like to "like" this multiple times.

 

[The King!]

Last night seemed rigged to me

 

[caesar88]

At the end of the day, doesn't matter whether it was one-sided or not. 31 frees in a game of footy is way too much, and just proves they're AFL-assisted.

 

[Diehard_Swan]

Too often last night we were punished for being first to the ball.

For sure. The the prior opportunity rules rewards the team that stands back and allows the other team get possession . The dogs were masters of letting the swans get ball, take one step and tackle them. When they got the ball they were pretty good at throwing it and disguising it as a handball. Very little is done at the moment to reward the inside midfielder which sydney is full of.

 

[The King!]

 

[Keyter]

This is not Super Coach!
This is real time football & not an artificially manufactured competition where everyone sits on their phones checking stats & assesses how many kicks & tackles their team has collected over the 3 games running concurrently.
I'm assuming you were at the game too & what stats don't tell you is the time allowed to the Dogs players when tackled was in another universe to that the Swans were in. Only a subtle interpretation change but we weren't given the latitude in many instances that they were so I will ignore the Doggie supporters sitting next to me who said we were pretty stiff on a number of occasions when we were pinged.

But I should stress that this is not why we lost because Super Coach ratings have them way ahead of us on stats so I should just ignore what I saw live at the game & how the momentum, which is not measured in any super coach ratings, was lost again at critical times.

But once again I should stress that this is not why we lost!

What do I know! I don't do super coach. I just watch 1 or 2 games of AFL live every week!

Just to show how stats can be fools gold


Disposals Hawk 412 Crows 368
Clearance 38 each
Contested Positions 149 each
Inside 50's: H 51 C 55
Tackles H - 77 C- 83

Pretty tight stats wise

Yet Crows win easily & Hawks talked about as has beens.

 

[Tedeski]

No!
It didn't happen!

 

[momentbymoment]

This shizen about "maybe we need to train for frees better" concept can GAGF.

And yet, we keep losing to the Dogs who clearly DO train for frees and DO train for dropping the ball to advantage in every tackle..

 

[momentbymoment]

Bulldogs seem to just drop it in the direction of their team mates or throw it.

Fixed it for you.
This isn't rocket science. We need to perfect the drop to advantage or accept that we will not be in the hunt this year.

 

[Jeffers]

#freekickbulldogs

 

[momentbymoment]

Trigger warning: facts

Despite the Bulldogs winning more contested ball than us, and having 60 more possessions in total, they still managed to out-tackle us. That is the sign of superior work-rate, when you lay more tackles even when your opposition has less of the ball. Perhaps that made a minor contribution to the result, even though most of it was umpiring

I agree with this.
They made effective tackles and we slipped off them. That was very (sorry) unswanslike. We are not going to go far if we give up our key strengths.

 

[cinderella man]

When the dogs tackled us they appear to have a technique which pins one of the arms down. Player then has a choice, take a risk and go to ground and hope the umpire does not interpret as having prior, or try and force the ball out where we were continually called for incorrect disposal as we couldn't free the arm to create a legal disposal.

Most of the time we tried to force the ball out and got called for incorrect disposal.

This in isolation is okay, the issue is the interpretation seemed to be different for them/ our tackles weren't as effective and the "drop" or forcing the ball out illegally was more obvious (rather than "dislodged in the tackle" which is what I think the Dogs get away with as they just release straight away).

Bloody frustrating. We need to adapt this this interpretation and have our players ready for the dislodgement of the ball as a set plan as it seems the Dogs do.

Otherwise known as The Josh Kennedy straight Jacket.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I cant believe i got you with such a poor april fools LukeParkerno1

I was hammered lol!

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Tippet did actually look pretty strong around the ground and was effective in the ruck against a non Ryder type. He laid an impressive tackle that probably got the only Bulldogs HTB decision. They were on early as a unit. He took a beauty when he did the injury and could have been a real handful for the dogs and a conduit to Reid. Reid probably deserved brownlow votes last night except for that kick to Kennedy at CHB

 

[The King!]

Got injured with a great mark so who knows

Hope its a short injury

 

[Banyo Bloods]

There's no denying he doesn't seem to have the body to cope with his legs splayed style. Not comparing players just that big men can be injury prone - Jason Ball he was recruited and injured for what seemed like forever - So there is always hope we will get more out of him

 

[miggs]

mills deliberate was tough but fair i think. Should have just grabbed it and let momentum/tackle take him over

 

[Membling]

mills deliberate was tough but fair i think. Should have just grabbed it and let momentum/tackle take him over

The problem with that is twofold:

Firstly, you do not expect a chasing player to stop and then plead to the umpire for a free after chasing you.

Secondly, with the way that HTB had been ruled up to the point, he would have no idea what the result wouldve been.

 

[miggs]

The problem with that is twofold:

Firstly, you do not expect a chasing player to stop and then plead to the umpire for a free after chasing you.

Secondly, with the way that HTB had been ruled up to the point, he would have no idea what the result wouldve been.

treat it like he was on the boundary and problem solvered, clubs know its the vogue rule change this year.

 

[Punts]

Mills had plenty of time imo