Review Round 21, 2023 - Fremantle vs. Brisbane Lions

[Viceregal]

I love optimistic takes.

Minor premiers would be something of a miracle the way things were looking.

But if everything went our way I suppose it's possible.

That would give our current squad something that our 2001-2004 Team was unable to acheive.

Of course they will probably find comfort in their three premiership medallions

 

[Thomasno]

I actually don’t rate the dees draw as favourable. Carlton this weekend who are the inform team of the comp and Sydney at the scg in the final round which could define a top 8 berth for them. Sydney have the wood on the dees last few games and those last two encounters were at the G.
We have two home games left and a marvel game against the pies who are now beatable. If cats beat magpies this weekend and we do the following weekend we will be minor premiers

Plus the hawks, who can just about knock off anybody on their day now

 

[3KZ is Football]

Hopefully St.Kilda have given up by the last round, and Harris or Gardiner or possibly Joyce can take Max King, if Payne rested.

I think you should leave praise such as "absolute gun" for your Lester post. For where he is at with his development, Payne has been impressive, especially the first half of the season. Harris is our #1 KPD and no doubt remunerated accordingly, thus comparing Payne with other teams #2 KPD types, I would have him right up there.

Five years contract extension … clearly the club sees ‘gun like’ upside.

 

[Mighty Lions]

3 Q's on this one then.
Going to keep them vague as I know you probably can't give out full answers. You can answer in hot/warm or cold/brisk if you want.

1. Is Ralphy on the ball when he's mentioned that Dev is in talks to resign for a couple more years?
2. Am I right in assuming that his improvement needs to be on his disposal?
3. How close is he to securing a spot in the 22?

Would like to see Dev, Sharp and Smith get a real go next year, but Dev is the one with question mark around him being OOC.

Sorry Stevo but I can't answer those questions for 2 reasons. The first reson is i simply dont know what the club are thinking/negotiating with Dev and the second one is that there are times when some info passed on to me that is OK to share with BF and there is some info that I can't and is not to be made public as this one is.

My personal (nothing to do with the club) thoughts are:
1. Is Ralphy on the ball when he's mentioned that Dev is in talks to resign for a couple more years? I hope so but if he wants to leave for better playing opportunities, I hope the club gets some reward back from a trade.
2. Am I right in assuming that his improvement needs to be on his disposal? I would say yes in both decision making and quality of disposal.
3. How close is he to securing a spot in the 22? Like 3 or 4 others, he is right there. More reason to grasp any opportunity with both hands when one does come his way.

 

[scott_the_man]

My point is that it was a low percentage play. He had the sit and a punch would have put the ball 20 yards to the boundary
Wish he was Royce Hart though

That gives Freo a chance to lock in a f50 stoppage and potentially kick a goal.

If he marked it then he would've basically won the game for us. Sometimes individual moments of brilliance like that can be the difference.

Do you think Leo Barry should have marked that footy in the dying minutes of the 05 GF or should he have elected to spoil?

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

The spoil was the % play.

Also Barry is a CHB while Hugh is a winger.

There is a difference.

 

[scott_the_man]

The spoil was the % play.

Also Barry is a CHB while Hugh is a winger.

There is a difference.

Hugh got himself into a prime position to take it. Good on him for trying to take some responsibility I reckon, that's what good leaders do.

 

[Lion_LegacyXL]

I love optimistic takes.

Minor premiers would be something of a miracle the way things were looking.

But if everything went our way I suppose it's possible.

I see minor premiers as like starting the Bathurst 1000 from pole position, both rarely go on to win.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Pretty interesting interview with Lachie on ABC radio atm

Interview is here for those interested.

 

[Gadzorks]

Interview is here for those interested.

I appreciate lachies opened about the gold coast game.

They thought under a new coach they'd just come out and play, instead they came out prepared and focused.

So our players were surprised and insufficiently prepared.

As a result lachie did his homework this week on understanding the players most likely to tag him.

As some have stated it was an unprofessional approach and they paid the price.

They won't be doing that again this season.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Fage's presser >

Happy how we played out the last few minutes.
Neale/Dunkley really good last quarter.
Singled out Dev as being great in the last 5 minutes.
We didn't play great but we found a way to win, we dug deep.
Rayner stood up today, he was dynamic, he has been down for a couple of weeks.
Linc was great with his pressure.
They are flying back tomorrow not on the redeye tonight.
He thinks O and Kiddy will be available next week.

Fantastic to see Rayner back to playing brilliant footy. He really is the very definition of X factor

 

[M Malice]

Fremantle v Brisbane​

10 Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

(FRE)
7 Jarrod Berry

7

Jarrod Berry

Age

27

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

(BL)
4 Caleb Serong

3

Caleb Serong

Age

24

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(FRE)
4 Hayden Young

26

Hayden Young

Age

24

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

(FRE)
2 Hugh McCluggage

6

Hugh Mccluggage

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

(BL)
2 Lincoln McCarthy

11

Lincoln Mccarthy

Age

31

Ht

176cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.1

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

(BL)
1 Harris Andrews

31

Harris Andrews

Age

28

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

(BL)

Surprised Cam or Joe didn't get any votes.

 

[p4p1]

Yep; surely that’s a shared responsibility on the players and coaches if homework wasn’t contemplated nor done. Even a week later I’m staggered by the comments and would’ve expected we prepared the same for playing Eagles or Pies. Even more reason a new coach given they’re likely to throw up different set ups and like.

It's not that simple unfortunately.
Take someone like Muhammad Ali, in his toughest challenges he worked harder than anyone in the gym, when coming up against guys that he knew he would easily account for, he still worked hard but not to the same level. I would imagine it is the same in all sports. In an ideal world you would do the exact same amount of work regardless of who the opponent was but realistically, sometimes it's hard to get up to that level when you think something is going to be easy or you don't believe the outcome matters that much.

 

[Viceregal]

So our players were surprised and insufficiently prepared.

As a result lachie did his homework this week on understanding the players most likely to tag him.

I seem to remember years back there was an article or a piece on how Neale and Lyons worked together to deconstruct the opposition midfields ... I wonder if that still happens when they are playing in different teams...

 

[p4p1]

I seem to remember years back there was an article or a piece on how Neale and Lyons worked together to deconstruct the opposition midfields ... I wonder if that still happens when they are playing in different teams...

From some other comments here, it sounds like JL is still very involved in our midfield strategy at AFL level.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Definition of an ugly win. I thought we showed real character to be able to hunker down and just slowly work our way back into the contest - especially considering we were down at half time. Travelling to the west is always a tough ask and Freo were not going to roll over given how important that game was in the context of their season. Our defence in particular was brilliant - Freo had a lot of quality entries off the back of some brilliant run along the wings.

Ah Chee, Berry and McCarthy all played brilliantly which was great to see. Bailey will benefit massively from getting the run into the legs although he's not the answer to the hole in the midfield left by Ashcroft. We are still clearly a midfielder short which was exacerbated by Neale and Dunkley both having poor games by their standards. It was very frustrating watching the Docker's midfielders just punch the ball out of the centre for the majority of the match. Having our prime movers down on form just makes that win even more impressive for me. We took the lessons from the Melbourne game and implemented them perfectly.

Whilst we weren't perfect we managed to nab the four points (and still fail to grab second spot) which is all we can ask for in the end.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

As much as Dev is (understandably) not happy playing in the VFL and is desperate to play more games and more time in the AFL, he understands there is significant competition for a place in the 22 and also has clear communication from the club as to what he needs to improve on to get that regular spot locked in. He also is a smart lad and understands that right now there is a lifetime opportunity to play for a club that could win a flag this year and at least a couple of more years from now. (which is what 99% footballers ultimately play the game for.)

What exactly is this ? If he slightly struggles with disposal he makes up with pressure and holding tackles. Should be in the team

 

[Thomasno]

Yep; surely that’s a shared responsibility on the players and coaches if homework wasn’t contemplated nor done. Even a week later I’m staggered by the comments and would’ve expected we prepared the same for playing Eagles or Pies. Even more reason a new coach given they’re likely to throw up different set ups and like.

This is what I’ve been saying all year, and why I’m not so concerned for the finals - all the games we’ve lost this year have been “easy” games bar the Melbourne game (which was purely a tactical error), we’ve won all of our “hard” games. Against the better sides we seem to do our homework, come in with a plan and execute it fairly well, whereas against the “easy” teams we seem to just assume they’ll take care of themselves - which is all well and good but they haven’t at all.

What Lachie said in that interview essentially confirms it

 

[3KZ is Football]

I really feel like we are going to win our next six games of football and we all know what that means.

 

[3KZ is Football]

What exactly is this ? If he slightly struggles with disposal he makes up with pressure and holding tackles. Should be in the team

Especially given some of the disposal bloopers we saw on the weekend that cost us goals.

 

[p4p1]

I really feel like we are going to win our next six games of football and we all know what that means.

Lets dream big and go with 35. It's a lucky number I hear.

 

[p4p1]

Especially given some of the disposal bloopers we saw on the weekend that cost us goals.

You could say the same thing about tackles that didn't stick as well.
I just wouldn't be surprised if Dev comes in for finals though like last year.

 

[Nunez]

I really feel like we are going to win our next six games of football and we all know what that means.

I don't know about others, but I can say I believe in every word you say wholeheartedly.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Lets dream big and go with 35. It's a lucky number I hear.

Just rewatched the game. Check out his effort in the passage starting 1:05:37 in.

This is the sort of desperate and very clever football that Number 35 plays, and which goes unnoticed by many.

Match Replay: Fremantle v Brisbane

The Dockers and Lions clash in round 21 of the 2023 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

www.afl.com.au

 

[3KZ is Football]

You could say the same thing about tackles that didn't stick as well.
I just wouldn't be surprised if Dev comes in for finals though like last year.

Really hoping so. Robertson is the sort of junk yard dog we need in the team.