Autopsy Round 21: Hawks plough the GWS snowflakes

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darthmann

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Jaegs was tagged by Caldwell wasn't he? Pretty sure I saw number 5 for GWS with him at nearly every clearance and holding him, I even saw Greene + Caldwell blocking him from the stoppage. Also had the most tackles on the ground, so while he wasn't as good as we know he can be definitely wasn't as poor as at first glance. If Worp + Shiels + Chad are all nearly getting 30 touches it means someone is copping some attention. Also that play in our fwd 50 in the last where he handballed to himself along the boundary line was awesome.
 

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Not sure what neutrals thought of the game but as a fan I loved the pre match right through to the post match. Most memorable hawks game of the year for mine. Brilliant stuff. So much to like.
Well I’m not a neutral of course but last night for me was the most enjoyable game of the year.
It was just old school fun, players slipping around everywhere and the ball sliding around like a bar of soap in the shower.
That said, the skills weren’t that bad and everybody had a dip.
We embraced the conditions and had fun with it.
Was like watching school footy.
Brilliant stuff by Clarko and the boys.
 

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Just watching the replay, and realised, ot at least was able to articulate, something about Breust in tackles...

He has the awareness that judo practitioners, or other wrestlers or martial artists have, and that is not to use your energy against the tackler unless it's advantageous.

Sometimes, when you have the momentum, use it

When your opponent has the direct line/momentum, don't try to work against it. Add your energy to that of the tackler, so that his momentum takes him where you want him, and also leaves you where you want to be.

It's a real bodily/kinesthetic intelligence in action.
 
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Maybloomer

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The thing i love most about Chad and that i think is most underrated about him is his toughness and want to win the footy, apply pressure and lay tackles. He is known as an x factor player with a bad attitude (still yet to see any evidence of that btw) but people act like he is a lazy player and i am yet to see that. Chases hard, lays strong tackles to the point i was genuinely shocked when someone broke through one of his last night.

His spacial awareness around stoppages is close to the best i have ever seen, his willingness to take that extra second to dispose of the ball to make sure it is a quality possession is going to be huge for our midfield going forward.
What I like is when he gets the ball, his first reaction is not to dish a handball out the back like too many Hawthorn players (really not a fan of that) but rather he looks for an opening and goes for it, head down and bum up. Silk is the same but he glides, Chad bursts.
 

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Jaegs was tagged by Caldwell wasn't he? Pretty sure I saw number 5 for GWS with him at nearly every clearance and holding him, I even saw Greene + Caldwell blocking him from the stoppage. Also had the most tackles on the ground, so while he wasn't as good as we know he can be definitely wasn't as poor as at first glance. If Worp + Shiels + Chad are all nearly getting 30 touches it means someone is copping some attention. Also that play in our fwd 50 in the last where he handballed to himself along the boundary line was awesome.
Jags was not tagged at all, not in the slightest.. not sure where people get it from. Teams rarely tag, they have assignments at stoppages but tagging is saved for maybe 4-5 players in the comp at a maximum. North tag, Essendon tag, Freo have done it at times, GWS with De Boer and sparingly Port do it, but a hard tag is rare.
 

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Just watching the replay, and realised, ot at least was able to articulate something about Breust in tackles...

He has the awareness that judo practioners, or other wrestlers or martial artists have, and that is not to use your energy against the tackler unless it's advantageous.

Sometimes, when you have the momentum, use it

When your opponent has the direct line/momentum, don't try to work against it. Add your energy to that of the tackler, so that his momentum takes him where you want him, and also leaves you where you want to be.

It's a real bodily/kinesthetic intelligence in action.
Bruest and Burgoyne do that beautifully, but Burgers can be instantaneously brutal. Amazing to watch
 

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Gee, this thread was almost as bad as reading some of our autopsy threads after a loss.

Daisy, BT, Jags. FFS we just beat a top team, and held them to under 30 points in horrid conditions, and we have to read all this negativity!

Coincidental that Worps, Shiela, and Wingerz were dominant in the middle? Jags was clearly down on possession numbers but we’ve been known to use dummies in the past, SMitch, Buddy come to mind.

So, Pops and Breust have decent games and the negative nancies have to look elsewhere to vent their regular BS.

Bloody great team effort for mine, right from pre-game mindset to application on field.

Congrats Hendo on the 150, and CJ on your debut.

FWIW, I quite enjoy BT’s roaming Brian in the rooms after the game. It’s light hearted and a bit of fun. Who cares if he can’t say CJ’s name, neither can Clarko FFS! He should stay away from commentating the game though. Bruce was an awesome commentator but is past it now ehh! Daisy at least seems interested when she works, unlike a number her colleagues.
 
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Totally agree about JOM. After the terrible patella injuries he’s suffered you really have to give him full props for seeing out last nights game. Actually to tell you the truth the guy needs full props just getting to the point of where he is right now leading our midfield week in week out all the while copping the hard tag and allowing others to get off the chain. This is almost 2 full seasons strung together in a row after most had written him off and thought he was cooked. The fact that Mitchell hasn’t been there all season long is a true testament to JOM and getting his body to the point where it can handle the ground and pound of week to week top flight AFL footy.
For me the biggest thing about getting Mitchell back and possibly Coniglio is with the improvement of worpel it means teams aren't going to put the work into Jaeger and I predict he's going to explode midway through next season and remember his potential before the suns f’ed him up.
 

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What a great night at the footy! As a proud Canberran I couldn't have been happier to see so many other Canberra-based hawks out in the snow (think we outnumbered giants supporters). Of course as an even prouder hawk the performance the boys brought was great to see and a real character builder for the young lads. Bring the Hawks back to Canberra next year I say (perhaps with some bias)!
 
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I disagree......whilst Canberra might be all of that, the atmosphere tonight was fantastic. Such a great vibe, no doubt because of the number of Hawks fans that made it to the game. Our fan base is not renowned for travelling, so to see so many Hawks fans at the game was so pleasing.
Well done to those that made the trip, and to those Canberra based Hawkers that came out in what can only be termed atrocious conditions.

And as for the snow, it just made for an even more interesting evening. Not to many can say they have played AFL footy in the snow
Yeah, just a huge night for long suffering Hawks fans in Canberra.

Not since pre-season in 95, with Darren Jarman and the team wearing some weird strip with diamond-shapes on it from memory, have Hawthorn come to town.

The result was brilliant but the snow (first time in 120 year plus AFL/VFL history- I won’t forget the wonder in Clarkos eyes, the looks on the faces of Shiels, Cegs) actually made it a kind of magical night.
 

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Was a great game.
Player Ratings (out of 10):
9-Worpel, Sicily, Shiels
8- Wingard, Smith, Henderson, Frawley
7- Ceglar, Breust, Poppy, Burgoyne, TOB, Nash, Hardwick, Stratton
6- Jiath (showed promise), O'Meara, Scully, Lewis,
5- Cousins, Hanrahan, Howe

All in all, no-one played terribly... Next week probably Cousins, Lewis(injury) or Hanrahan out for Roughy, and Howe out for Gunston (if fit)
 
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Gee, this thread was almost as bad as reading some of our autopsy threads after a loss.

Daisy, BT, Jags. FFS we just beat a top team, and held them to under 30 points in horrid conditions, and we have to read all this negativity!

Coincidental that Worps, Shiela, and Wingerz were dominant in the middle? Jags was clearly down on possession numbers but we’ve been known to use dummies in the past, SMitch, Buddy come to mind.

So, Pops and Breust have decent games and the negative nancies have to look elsewhere to vent their regular BS.

Bloody great team effort for mine, right from pre-game mindset to application on field.

Congrats Hendo on the 150, and CJ on your debut.

FWIW, I quite enjoy BT’s roaming Brian in the rooms after the game. It’s light hearted and a bit of fun. Who cares if he can’t say CJ’s name, neither can Clarko FFS! He should stay away from commentating the game though. Bruce was an awesome commentator but is past it now ehh! Daisy at least seems interested when she works, unlike a number her colleagues.
Nice post.

Think that people who are commenting on people's looks, are pretty low.

On the negativity, it's often the same old punters. Makes the rest of their posts not worth reading and easy to skim over.

Go Hawks!!!
 

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Well I’m not a neutral of course but last night for me was the most enjoyable game of the year.
It was just old school fun, players slipping around everywhere and the ball sliding around like a bar of soap in the shower.
That said, the skills weren’t that bad and everybody had a dip.
We embraced the conditions and had fun with it.
Was like watching school footy.
Brilliant stuff by Clarko and the boys.
I think for "oldies" like myself, it was enjoyable because we tended to abandon the modern trend of over-using the ball and got stuck into the ethos of wet weather footy by just driving the ball forward any way you can. Even the commentators picked up early that the Giants were still over working the ball and this is what gave us the edge. The old school of thought was that good players exceed in wet weather because of the skills required to perform it. I could play footy on a nice dry day, anyone can, but when the wet weather came along that's when my over-all lack of skills came to the surface. :)
 

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I think for "oldies" like myself, it was enjoyable because we tended to abandon the modern trend of over-using the ball and got stuck into the ethos of wet weather footy by just driving the ball forward any way you can. Even the commentators picked up early that the Giants were still over working the ball and this is what gave us the edge. The old school of thought was that good players exceed in wet weather because of the skills required to perform it. I could play footy on a nice dry day, anyone can, but when the wet weather came along that's when my over-all lack of skills came to the surface. :)
Yep. Loved the kick it forward at all costs, type play. Richmond style.
 

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So thankful they didn’t kick too many goals. How bloody annoying is that damn music after they goal! I think I would’ve ended up muting the tv or try to find radio coverage.
It was worse at the game, I was sitting under a speaker, lucky it only came on 4 times. After the first I yelled "stupid plastic music for a plastic franchise"

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