Autopsy Round 21 - Post Match against St Kilda

[salim malik]

For thel ife of me why did we draft Schultz and Bewley?
They are at the best average to good WAFL players.

 

[yyou]

Positives for me: Fyfe of course
Cerra is improving & I see him as a Mundy Jnr.
I lasted the whole game
I was home & warm in under 5 minutes
Negatives: the result of course
The Saints fans are my least favourite of the Vic teams, so I had my headphones in the whole game
Crazy decisions both ways by the umps
Dumb mistakes
Dumb last 2 minutes
Saints beat us on the spread

 

[salim malik]

You can only really carry 1 spud. For me it’s Switkowski. He’s the sort of player that should be scrapping to make best 22.
I like him.
When you have him, Schultz, Banfield, Crowden, Hughes, Duman getting a game you’re in strife.

Saints were bad.

None are best 22 and with out our injuries would be scrapping it out at Peel. They are not of AFL senior quality

 

[ImperialPurple]

losses to Melbourne and Carlton.

Don’t forget our stirring 16-points-up-halfway-through-the-4th-quarter stunning 3 point loss to that highly talented and most capable team in the magnificent Gold Coast Suns. What a game that was coming off a somewhat boring 84-point win over North Melbourne.

Those three were all games of the highest quality by a Fremantle side that coulda, woulda, shoulda been playing finals.

Oh we’re a crappy team at Freo
We know how to lose a game
We love our team but it matters not
When ev’ry damn week is the same...




(That said:
1. Pearce, Ryan, Wilson down back (not counting S.Hill cos I think he’s cooked)
2. Hogan, Lobb, Cox up forward
3. Walters moved forward with Matera
4. Cerra and Blakely part of the midfield rotation
5. Switta, Schultz, Duman, Darcy, Carter, Banfield out
= we look a much better side)

 

[Lach72]

Crowden and Hughes were fine. The rest were s**t


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[Dale147]

Carter is cooked already, really got found out today.

 

[Joose]

People say that it is not Lyons fault that the players exhibit poor skills and bad decision making. This is wrong.

According to Duffield the Eagles hammer the skills at training whereas, with Freo, its all about structures. Have a guess which side is cruising to another flag?

Posters jumped on me earlier in the week for being skeptical about last weeks effort, I was even forum banned for some ungodly reason. Quite amazing, to me, how many jumped back onto the koolaid after one decent performance in 6 weeks.

I guess all Lyon has to do is engineer a decent performance every 6 weeks or so and he is sitting pretty. Coach for life.

 

[PapaJ]

Duman (22), Carter (2), Logue (21), Hamling (83), Blakely (58), Cerra (39)

Our two most inexperienced players made mistakes that cost us scores against. I agree, our defense was poor.

Yeah, right, those numbers say something for sure. It wasn't just their ball use which was poor, they didn't shape themselves well in the first place, and not only inside 50 either.

I give Saints some credit though, they made sure numbers were generally even up the ground and backed their own back half to win enough ball and move it quickly out. It was a luxury they could more easily take a risk on too because we had no marking power in the front half. Short of our own players giving them the ball (if most of their scores didn't come form this I'll eat my hat)*, it was the only way they looked dangerous.

* Anybody know where these stats might be found?

 

[Freo Big Fella]

+
- Running out of superlatives to praise Fyfe's status as basically above anyone else on a footy ground.
- Cerra's best game for a while, the only one who looked composed coming out of the backline.
- Brayshaw was immense in the clinches.
- Sandilands, IMO, has done enough to earn a one-year extension; still adds a huge amount when fully fit.
- Langdon has quietly fixed a lot of his ball-butchering issues from earlier in the year.
- Tucker continues to improve.

-
- If you allow guys like Duman and Hughes to continually kill us with bad ball use, its going to lose us games.
- Playing Blakely and Banfield out of position and expecting them to work miracles continues to fail.
- Another loss directly attributable to poor skills and bad goalkicking, and the feeling that the group will continue to do nothing collectively to address these issues.

 

[eastfreo75]

Switkowski is a new bloke to hate I see. I think he wants the ball and shows some passion toward it. can't kick it 40 metres but he's a small forward. maybe the coach needs to look at why he, Matera, and Son Son are the ones marking it and not tall forwards. and no, it's not just injuries, this happened when he was playing Jesse Hogan down the ground and not giving Cam McCarthy a go (which he should get more of when Hogan's in, not less – his best football was playing third-up with Jeremy Cameron and Jon Patton).

the coaching is s**t and the players have no passion and are uninspired.

there is a lot of talent on the list. lots of talent out there today. St Kilda are a rabble. Fyfe, Sonny, Bradley Hill, David Mundy, and Brandon Matera is enough to beat that Saints side.

the issue is persisting with bonafide s**t players.

what club drafts short players who are slow, bumbling, can't make a decision, and can't kick? and are never ever going to be rovers? what is the point of a 173cm forward with those 'traits?' Lachie Schultz, Mitch Crowden, fu** right off. it's not your fault though. you shouldn't be on a list.

Aaron Sandilands continues to be the most overrated ruck of all time. completely useless around the ground. why do people say Fyfe isn't a charismatic, strong leader but refuse to plunk Sandilands in there? his gormless expression says it all. is he ever out there guiding a young player, or even Darcy? is he pushing us up by himself? the guy has no leadership qualities and hasn't learnt a thing about playing around the ground in 300 games. Duman's just a bogan with no real belief or role, Banfield peaked in his first season and is just another hard-tryer WAFL sort, Ethan Hughes is the most eeehhh bloke on our list, and how Blakely got three years is a disgrace and reminds me of the five-year deal Nick Suban got and was held to.

Nice one troll.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

For thel ife of me why did we draft Schultz and Bewley?
They are at the best average to good WAFL players.

Basically to try and fast-forward the rebuild. It just means having more list cloggers though.

 

[Cobbler]

None are best 22 and with out our injuries would be scrapping it out at Peel. They are not of AFL senior quality

I’d argue any one of them can be best 22 but only with a stronger 21. Can’t carry more than 1 but.
I like Switta.

 

[DanWA]

Thought Cerra made a statement today, unsure of stats but his disposal efficiency would have been very high

Fyfe is not human

 

[electricfeel]

What did we do to deserve Fyfe. What a hero.

Here's hoping another Brownlow in the bag for him this year. That's all I'm looking forward to now. And maybe retro round just so I can get the old kit out

 

[PapaJ]

I’d argue any one of them can be best 22 but only with a stronger 21. Can’t carry more than 1 but.
I like Switta.

You can persist with Switta because he does so many other things well. Even his field kicks are pretty good.

He's not of the same ability or type of course, but his early games remind me of Jetta. Jetta worked hard and did lots of good things, but couldn't kick a goal to save himself, had something like a 5.18 conversion rate in his first season playing mostly fwd. Sydney stuck with him and he turned into a quality player. Like I said, not comparing them as players overall, just both have had similar starts to showing lots and just had to work out how to put it through the big sticks.

 

[Kram]

Switkowski is a new bloke to hate I see. I think he wants the ball and shows some passion toward it. can't kick it 40 metres but he's a small forward. maybe the coach needs to look at why he, Matera, and Son Son are the ones marking it and not tall forwards. and no, it's not just injuries, this happened when he was playing Jesse Hogan down the ground and not giving Cam McCarthy a go (which he should get more of when Hogan's in, not less – his best football was playing third-up with Jeremy Cameron and Jon Patton).

the coaching is s**t and the players have no passion and are uninspired.

there is a lot of talent on the list. lots of talent out there today. St Kilda are a rabble. Fyfe, Sonny, Bradley Hill, David Mundy, and Brandon Matera is enough to beat that Saints side.

the issue is persisting with bonafide s**t players.

what club drafts short players who are slow, bumbling, can't make a decision, and can't kick? and are never ever going to be rovers? what is the point of a 173cm forward with those 'traits?' Lachie Schultz, Mitch Crowden, fu** right off. it's not your fault though. you shouldn't be on a list.

Aaron Sandilands continues to be the most overrated ruck of all time. completely useless around the ground. why do people say Fyfe isn't a charismatic, strong leader but refuse to plunk Sandilands in there? his gormless expression says it all. is he ever out there guiding a young player, or even Darcy? is he pushing us up by himself? the guy has no leadership qualities and hasn't learnt a thing about playing around the ground in 300 games. Duman's just a bogan with no real belief or role, Banfield peaked in his first season and is just another hard-tryer WAFL sort, Ethan Hughes is the most eeehhh bloke on our list, and how Blakely got three years is a disgrace and reminds me of the five-year deal Nick Suban got and was held to.

Don't be a coward and use your real account.

 

[Cobbler]

You can persist with Switta because he does so many other things well. Even his field kicks are pretty good.

He's not of the same ability or type of course, but his early games remind me of Jetta. Jetta worked hard and did lots of good things, but couldn't kick a goal to save himself, had something like a 5.18 conversion rate in his first season playing mostly fwd. Sydney stuck with him and he turned into a quality player. Like I said, not comparing them as players overall, just both have had similar starts to showing lots and just had to work out how to put it through the big sticks.

Pretty sure Jetta kicked like 16 behinds in a row.

I’d say Switta plays more like a Castagna. Below average skill set but is the type of player you want in your front 6 if surrounded by other solid players.

 

[summerthebat]

I'm upset about how the game panned out, way too many errors and bad decisions, however! Like Gaskin said, we've been running on empty for weeks now and at least this rules out the folly of a finals campaign.

We don't have the players on the field at the moment who can provide consistency to be a great team, but we really need to work out the ones we can build around.

Banfield - Love his intent and size, but he needs to show us a point of difference really soon.
Switkowski - I like him, but if he's meant to be one of our most productive small's, then we're in trouble. I'd want him to be our '7th forward'
Schultz - I personally don't see it, but he's not awful. Needs a big summer.
Carter - Probably needs to play out the rest of the season but he didn't improve on last week, needs another pre-season and confidence.
Darcy - I was hoping to get to this stage of this season and be fully confident that he'll be able to do it mostly alone in 2020. I like where he's at but he still needs a second ruckman that will share the load.
Duman - Depth at the moment, I'm confident he'll be a lot better in 2020.
Crowden - I don't see his point of difference but absolutely needs more experience, looks trapped between WAFL & AFL.
Tucker - Really confident in his trajectory, he's mostly clean and is improving his output.

Those players are mostly interchangeable with Ryan, Wilson, S.Hill, Hogan, Taberner, Cox, Lobb & Pearce, however, what I'm most disappointed with is that we've basically uncovered no depth solutions this year. Sturt & Valente have been unable to put a sequence of games together and obviously North, Meek & Dixon are either not good enough or not ready. Recruited depth in Bewely & Colyer are absolutely not god enough to rely on.

We simply can not sustain an injury list longer than 3-5 first team players before we're unable to compete.

 

[BlueE]

You can’t coach boneheaded decisions. Ross was absolutely filthy at the decision making. So yes he values it.
Not a lot of smarts is the problem. You can only have so many players. Banfield didn’t want to kick a goal. Duman has no idea how to play at times.
The depth is bare

But you can train for more ways of getting the ball out of defence than one. And repeat it many times moving with out defence then with defence until it's automatic and players can read the play and change the response depending on the circumstances.

This is what Duffield is seeing when he's comparing us with down the road, it's not just skills. it's drills that practice those skills in game type situations until they're automatic.

As well as skills and decision making confidence increases as well. Training for the last one or two minutes of each quarter to either score quickly or defend a lead is vital with the 666 as well.

And of course my favourite, goal kicking accuracy where have a legend wanting to do this but we think he's over the hill and don't need a goal kicking specialist.

Well perhaps we do? Who makes those decisions?

 

[estibador]

Duman (22), Carter (2), Logue (21), Hamling (83), Blakely (58), Cerra (39)

The only good user on that list is Cerra, instead of drafting athletes who have good time trials maybe skilled players should be looked at,.

Logue is the only 'athlete' on that list.

Carter is a baby, Blakely better inside, Duman is only getting a spot over board fav Nyhuis because he's a better kick, and if you could find a player like Hamling with an elite kick he'd be the best backman in the AFL.

Skilled players like Ryan and Wilson would be handy and we've already recruited them.

 

[PapaJ]

Pretty sure Jetta kicked like 16 behinds in a row.

I’d say Switta plays more like a Castagna. Below average skill set but is the type of player you want in your front 6 if surrounded by other solid players.

Like I said, not comparing style or player type, just his missing gettable shots and inability to really belt a ball was a liability, but they let Jetta play through it. Of course, they had a quality team around him, so yeah, that's the point really.

Castagan is probably a better comparison all round ... lets go with that.

 

[DockerRestump]

I'm upset about how the game panned out, way too many errors and bad decisions, however! Like Gaskin said, we've been running on empty for weeks now and at least this rules out the folly of a finals campaign.

We don't have the players on the field at the moment who can provide consistency to be a great team, but we really need to work out the ones we can build around.

Banfield - Love his intent and size, but he needs to show us a point of difference really soon.
Switkowski - I like him, but if he's meant to be one of our most productive small's, then we're in trouble. I'd want him to be our '7th forward'
Schultz - I personally don't see it, but he's not awful. Needs a big summer.
Carter - Probably needs to play out the rest of the season but he didn't improve on last week, needs another pre-season and confidence.
Darcy - I was hoping to get to this stage of this season and be fully confident that he'll be able to do it mostly alone in 2020. I like where he's at but he still needs a second ruckman that will share the load.
Duman - Depth at the moment, I'm confident he'll be a lot better in 2020.
Crowden - I don't see his point of difference but absolutely needs more experience, looks trapped between WAFL & AFL.
Tucker - Really confident in his trajectory, he's mostly clean and is improving his output.

Those players are mostly interchangeable with Ryan, Wilson, S.Hill, Hogan, Taberner, Cox, Lobb & Pearce, however, what I'm most disappointed with is that we've basically uncovered no depth solutions this year. Sturt & Valente have been unable to put a sequence of games together and obviously North, Meek & Dixon are either not good enough or not ready. Recruited depth in Bewely & Colyer are absolutely not god enough to rely on.

We simply can not sustain an injury list longer than 3-5 first team players before we're unable to compete.

Why are you confident Duman will be better in 2020? I can't see it. Ball watcher, goes to the wrong contest time and time again, too thin and small to play and too slow to play small. A deadset victorian dud. We could have picked T Kelly over this guy back as rookie in 2016. Poor all round.

 

[BlueE]

Pretty sure Jetta kicked like 16 behinds in a row.

I’d say Switta plays more like a Castagna. Below average skill set but is the type of player you want in your front 6 if surrounded by other solid players.

19 in a row and he's now in the backs but has one of most accurate and long kicks in AFL.

Can't overlook the effect someone who can analyse goal kicking technique in their head and not a pretender. Ben Sokol 16.6 over the last 3 weeks in WAFL after having some Austin Robertson tuition?

 

[FreoMonocle]

We simply can not sustain an injury list longer than 3-5 first team players before we're unable to compete.

A better spread of injury would have made a difference, losing all of the kpf's for the season is just crap. We have tall people, but no kpf's as depth (Cam aint a KPF) - except for developing kids who are a looooong way off it.

 

[FreoRicci]

But you can train for more ways of getting the ball out of defence than one. And repeat it many times moving with out defence then with defence until it's automatic and players can read the play and change the response depending on the circumstances.

This is what Duffield is seeing when he's comparing us with down the road, it's not just skills. it's drills that use those practice those skills in game type situations until they're automatic.

As well as skills and decision making confidence increases as well. Training for the last one or two minutes of each quarter to either score quickly or defend a lead is vital with the 666 as well.

And of course my favourite, goal kicking accuracy where have a legend wanting to do this but we think he's over the hill and don't need a goal kicking specialist.

Well perhaps we do? Who makes those decisions?

Problem is there’s no leaders down back. Someone had to stand up and direct the group and say hey it’s a few minutes left, play man to man. Kick it around and look for the short pass. Not once all game did that happen. There’s no leadership. That’s poor from a coaching view. Who’s the backline coach? No runners are allowed on the ground so there wasn’t any organization to hold the last 5 minutes.
There wasn’t any dashing half back. Desperately need Wilson type to just take it on and kick short and efficiently.