Autopsy Round 22, 2022: Richmond roast Hawks

[hawkman]

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Lynch only kicked 3 on him and at least 1 was from a turnover. He is still a year or 2 away from being a decent defender

 

[Slysh]

2nd season

Imagine getting paid to pot a 20 year old kid and not even knowing how many seasons he is in the league, what an absolute joke.

Stealing a living

 

[chopflop]

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Where is this from?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Where is this from?

I assume it’s slobbo.

 

[TylerDurden]

I assume it’s slobbo.

Slobbo.

 

[Jazzfan]

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Obviously he got time on the list wrong, but that's all fair on my end.

It's been an underwhelming start, yes he's skinny and no drama Lynch getting him, but there's some real Frost brain fades and lack of composure that have stood out for me. Today's example being why he elected to storm off Lynch and not get close to impacting the contest, Lynch walks into the open goal... a few poor kicks under no pressure also.

It's the bad moments that seem to stand out, and I'm struggling to see the "oh that's why he's an elite talent " moments others seem to be.

DGB has honestly been avoiding the best forwards this year, well Jack got him earlier in the year and Lynch today, but mostly he's not getting the tough assignments. Compare Will Day's IQ and composure early on to DGB's.

Obviously it's too early to write him off, but its also fine to have concerns as all clubs can miss early picks...

Needs a big pre-season. It's in the balance for me.

 

[Slysh]

I'd have a go at our completely limpdicked midfield before the young defenders any day of the week. BB and Newk can hold their heads up. JOM was poor. Tom tries but he is Dan Howe like in his ability to * up our attacking movements.

The speed at which the ball came into the D50 was ridiculous. Absolutely zero pressure on the ball carrier. Was like the Globetrotters vs the Generals out there.

No matter how good of a key defender you are if you are against an elite key forward who gets good clean delivery you can do almost nothing. May is one of the best in the AFL but when Mckay had the ball delivered out in front he was useless at times yesterday. Expecting 20 year olds kids to compete with our midfield escorting the opposition inside our 50 is just unfair.

 

[Bedi]

Richmond must've been playing for percentage, as that third quarter was unrelenting. Ran circles around us for most of the day but at least we put in a decent showing in the second and final quarter. Would've been a 100 point drubbing otherwise. Seeing Maurice Jr for them makes me really miss Cyril.

 

[hawkman]

Imagine getting paid to pot a 20 year old kid and not even knowing how many seasons he is in the league, what an absolute joke.

Stealing a living

Almost like it was deliberate to try and really put him down

 

[Bedi]

also how the hell was there a bigger crowd today than Melb vs Carlton last night??

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Almost like it was deliberate to try and really put him down

Just Slobbo taking out his frustrations on a Hawks youngster and his third cask of wine to compensate for how s**t * are.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

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Where is that from?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

also how the hell was there a bigger crowd today than Melb vs Carlton last night??

Tiggers supporters back on the bandwagon and on day release.

 

[Hawthorn2023]

He was very good and very bad. Sam needs to update his contract to fine him $10k every time he blindly kicks the ball 30m. Its either find a player or kick it 50m.

Maybe $10k for the 1m handball to players in worse positions.

He will end up in ridiculous debt

 

[The hands of stone]

Just Slobbo taking out his frustrations on a Hawks youngster and his third cask of wine to compensate for how s**t * are.

Clear diversion tactic , would have had his dufflecoat on while he penned tbat masterpiece

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I'd have a go at our completely limpdicked midfield before the young defenders any day of the week. BB and Newk can hold their heads up. JOM was poor. Tom tries but he is Dan Howe like in his ability to * up our attacking movements.

The speed at which the ball came into the D50 was ridiculous. Absolutely zero pressure on the ball carrier. Was like the Globetrotters vs the Generals out there.

Agree we were absolutely smashed thru the middle. Richmond's anticipation was good and combined with their speed was brutal. Defenders under the pump the whole game.

 

[HedgeFund]

One small positive that hasn’t really been mentioned was Jeka keeping Riewoldt goalless. Not sure why he wasn’t tried on lynch. Blanck and DGB were outmatched.

I was at the game and Riewoldt definitely played higher and wider so they could focus on the Lynch match up as the obvious target. Not saying Jeka didn’t do a decent job on him, he definitely gave him plenty of respect.

However when he played on Cumberland he went for a spacewalk for 15 minutes (and was benched as a result).

Can excuse it due to inexperience but we can’t have multiple guys arguing about why they’re not playing loose and letting rookies off the chain as a result.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

He’s not though - he hasn’t played this position at Hawthorn or Box Hill for years and track watchers say he won’t make it at senior level as a KPD.

That opinion was based on his time there two seasons ago now. He's matured and has got himself fit, so it's not the same situation as it was back then.

IMO he doesn't have that nous to play at a KPF. But the certainly has the athleticism to play KPD.

 

[almuz]

DGB is a 20 year old KPD, still got ages to figure it out. Key defenders don’t usually hit their peak until 25

Also he got three goals kicked on him by Lynch and only ONE was a direct 1v1 where he was beaten for strength

It’s like the media and people on here are willing and hoping for the Zac Dawson

Zac Dawson

Age

38

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

34.4

1star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

game - absolute storm in a teacup

 

[almuz]

Had bigger issues with Scrim dragging him away from Lynch - who cares if he’s pushing and shoving, too nice!!

 

[CHUBBSS]

Wo

DGB is a 20 year old KPD, still got ages to figure it out. Key defenders don’t usually hit their peak until 2025

Also he got three goals kicked on him by Lynch and only ONE was a direct 1v1 where he was beaten for strength

It’s like the media and people on here are willing and hoping for the Zac Dawson game - absolute storm in a teacup

Wonder if theirs something in throwing him forward in serongs role for the last game, worked for a few in reverse

 

[cryptor]

Let’s just remember that Hawthorn selected DGB with pick 6, not DGB. He performed to the best of his ability and our professional recruiters picked him ahead of 50-odd other kids.

If he’s not living up to your expectations then your beef should be with the club, not the kid doing his best.

Frankly, I think he’s got one of the toughest jobs in footy at the moment. Underweight KPD, drafted early in first round to a rebuilding club whose best mid is a mid season rookie pick from last year. He’s under siege on and off the ground as a result. Give him some bloody time.

 

[almuz]

Wonder if theirs something in throwing him forward in serongs role for the last game, worked for a few in reverse

Yeah would love to see it, no real downside in giving DGB @ KPP at lash round 23

Right now he’s worrying about his man, losing concentration and panicking far too much in D50

Up forward he’d be able to fly at the footy and use his aerial skills without pressure - seems a no brainer tbh

 

[Ned Ryerson]

That opinion was based on his time there two seasons ago now. He's matured and has got himself fit, so it's not the same situation as it was back then.

IMO he doesn't have that nous to play at a KPF. But the certainly has the athleticism to play KPD.

I am basing my take on asking the question about him as a defender not so long ago - maybe preseason - and a few respected posters who watch far more training and Box Hill games than I do said he wasn’t fit to play defence at AFL level. Maybe they’re wrong but it stands to reason when two coaches now haven’t played him there for many years.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

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I'm very confident Denver ends up an elite defender. We've taken him out of his comfort zone to make him a rounded player. We are not telling him to play his natural role he's in the big league where he will.play finals.and needs to learn how it feels to be one out in the GS on a KPF. He's 20. These sort of articles are just appalling and lack any sort of recognition about player development.