Autopsy Round 22, 2024: Positives and Negatives vs North Melbourne

[wce4premiership]

As Gaff was about to kick, Oscar was walking with his back to the play and Bailey was jogging back for the contest.

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What these shots show is that we were very lucky. You would put Oscar down as a marking option normally and not your crumbing option. Based on his position

I would hope in the future we do not set up like this needing a goal to win. A point was most likely going to ill the game off.

I am not with you that Oscar kew where it was going as he ran back and you can see in the final frame he was looking for a mark at the top of the square

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Didn't Oscar state that he was hanging around hoping to be on the end of a short kick?

I am sure he said that after the game. Was trying to act out of the play hoping for a spot up kick on a quick lead but Gaff pumped it in quick due to the time on the clock so it never eventuated that way.

 

[THE A5]

Honestly norf in general cocked up that last few minutes. No other side would have given us a chance to even get that close.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Didn't Oscar state that he was hanging around hoping to be on the end of a short kick?

I am sure he said that after the game. Was trying to act out of the play hoping for a spot up kick on a quick lead but Gaff pumped it in quick due to the time on the clock so it never eventuated that way.

From the behind the goals, Oscar was well positioned for a short kick. Nothing eventuated as Gaff just went long so Oscar went back to crumb the pack.

 

[Dylan82]

What's going on with Harley? Seems to be getting target by the establishment big time. The umpires I get, as he has been chirping off to them and has put them offside (I dont like it but I understand why it is happening), but now the MRO?

He certainly is.


Across Rounds 1-11, H.Reid received 26 free kicks for and had 17 against.

This was the largest positive free kicks for/against discrepancy of any player in the competition.


Then two things happen.

First, we get a media blitz during the week comparing Reid to Ginnivan and that he needs to be umpired accordingly.




And secondly, of much greater importance, reports come out that the club is working on an extension of Reid's contract. This is greeted from Victoria with nervous borderline hysteria.

Remember also that at the time North are 0-10 and being tipped by many to see out the season winless.


So, what happens then?


Within the opening minutes of the next game, this does:




Followed by free kicks against being found where they never existed before.




And then a two week suspension for a tackle because it had potential to do harm - rather than using the standard outcome basis that is normally applied. D.Wilson passed concussion tests, played out the game and missed no subsequent training, yet the verdict was upheld without any reduction.

All from the same game. The tone was set.



Before Round 12, Reid had been charged by the MRO just once, in Round 1, for inadvertent umpire contact. From Round 12 onwards he has been charged by the MRO in fully half of his matches (4/8). The latest for being in a melee that apparently involved nobody else.


It's the same with umpires.

After Round 11, that 26-17 free kick record in his favour flips completely.

Since then, Reid has received 13 free kicks for and had 26 against.

Which is the largest negative free kicks for/against discrepancy of any player in the competition over this time period.



We're not imagining things. It would appear that something very odd is going on from the competition's administration towards Reid. Some would perhaps say an agenda.

Others would be inclined to swear the VFL is conspiring to make things miserable for Reid so that he doesn't enjoy his time in Perth too much.


Something doesn't sniff right here that's for sure. I can't recall seeing any player being suddenly treated so differently and comprehensively by the administration within the same season ever.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Coaches votes from our win - only 2/6 from the winning side?

North Melbourne v West Coast​

9 Tristan Xerri

38

Tristan Xerri

Age

25

Ht

201cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.5

5star

D

5.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.5

5star

D

5.5

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.5

3star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.5

5star

(NMFC)
9 Jeremy McGovern

20

Jeremy Mcgovern

Age

32

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

238.7

4star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

183.4

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

(WCE)
6 Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

(WCE)
4 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)
1 Paul Curtis (NMFC)
1 Colby McKercher (NMFC)

 

[Tugga27]

Coaches votes from our win - only 2/6 from the winning side?

North Melbourne v West Coast​

9 Tristan Xerri (NMFC)
9 Jeremy McGovern (WCE)
6 Oscar Allen (WCE)
4 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)
1 Paul Curtis (NMFC)
1 Colby McKercher (NMFC)

Those votes look pretty good TBF.

 

[KERRPOW]

I reckon if TB isn't back this week I would suspect that he is sitting out, or the club is sitting him out over contract issues.

A sad way to depart the club

 

[KERRPOW]

It's the same as North winning vs GC last year, but you're spot on - when there's no Harley Reid on the line then these wins are worth much more.

Eat shit North.

I love how all the ex-players are like...yeah i hate tanking...but...geee...norf should have tanked to get reid.

 

[Footfalcon]

He certainly is.


Across Rounds 1-11, H.Reid received 26 free kicks for and had 17 against.

This was the largest positive free kicks for/against discrepancy of any player in the competition.


Then two things happen.

First, we get a media blitz during the week comparing Reid to Ginnivan and that he needs to be umpired accordingly.




And secondly, of much greater importance, reports come out that the club is working on an extension of Reid's contract. This is greeted from Victoria with nervous borderline hysteria.

Remember also that at the time North are 0-10 and being tipped by many to see out the season winless.


So, what happens then?


Within the opening minutes of the next game, this does:




Followed by free kicks against being found where they never existed before.




And then a two week suspension for a tackle because it had potential to do harm - rather than using the standard outcome basis that is normally applied. D.Wilson passed concussion tests, played out the game and missed no subsequent training, yet the verdict was upheld without any reduction.

All from the same game. The tone was set.



Before Round 12, Reid had been charged by the MRO just once, in Round 1, for inadvertent umpire contact. From Round 12 onwards he has been charged by the MRO in fully half of his matches (4/8). The latest for being in a melee that apparently involved nobody else.


It's the same with umpires.

After Round 11, that 26-17 free kick record in his favour flips completely.

Since then, Reid has received 13 free kicks for and had 26 against.

Which is the largest negative free kicks for/against discrepancy of any player in the competition over this time period.



We're not imagining things. It would appear that something very odd is going on from the competition's administration towards Reid. Some would perhaps say an agenda.

Others would be inclined to swear the VFL is conspiring to make things miserable for Reid so that he doesn't enjoy his time in Perth too much.


Something doesn't sniff right here that's for sure. I can't recall seeing any player being suddenly treated so differently and comprehensively by the administration within the same season ever.

Tbh I wish he put his energy into the football, then give it to them when you get a goal or make a play that results in a goal. Waste of energy and the umpires are shitting on him

 

[THE A5]

Tbh I wish he put his energy into the football, then give it to them when you get a goal or make a play that results in a goal. Waste of energy and the umpires are shitting on him

That’ll come with maturity and experience.

 

[Grahame]

That’ll come with maturity and experience.

HR9 has played for years where he is just way above the rest. But AFL players are stronger, faster, smarter and better coached meaning it ain't the walk in the park that he's used to. But his game will evolve. First season. 19 years old. (And unlike, say, the Daicos boys he hasn't had all their many advantages.)

 

[Doashuey]

As Gaff was about to kick, Oscar was walking with his back to the play and Bailey was jogging back for the contest.

View attachment 2077224

What these shots show is that we were very lucky. You would put Oscar down as a marking option normally and not your crumbing option. Based on his position

I would hope in the future we do not set up like this needing a goal to win. A point was most likely going to ill the game off.

I am not with you that Oscar kew where it was going as he ran back and you can see in the final frame he was looking for a mark at the top of the square

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If the intent was for Oscar to be a marking option he would have been back on the line to give himself some lesding options as Gaff was at the top of his mark.
Instead he meanders back slowly with his back to Gaff so not to attract a defender . He gets himself in some space then as a crumber would do, looks at the pack rather than the ball as it comes in (3rd frame).
I reckon that was exactly what he intended to do. Perhaps he was going to try to turn for a short hit up but he was unmarked so would expect him to have gone already.

 

[Doashuey]

Coaches votes from our win - only 2/6 from the winning side?

North Melbourne v West Coast​

9 Tristan Xerri (NMFC)
9 Jeremy McGovern (WCE)
6 Oscar Allen (WCE)
4 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)
1 Paul Curtis (NMFC)
1 Colby McKercher (NMFC)

JSco gave Curtis a vote because he was one of our best he missed that many shots on goal.

 

[Astro7]

Didn't Oscar state that he was hanging around hoping to be on the end of a short kick?

I am sure he said that after the game. Was trying to act out of the play hoping for a spot up kick on a quick lead but Gaff pumped it in quick due to the time on the clock so it never eventuated that way.

Yep, that's pretty much what he said in the press conference. Hovering in that space in front of Gaff, as he said 'trying to get a cheap kick'. I'd heard that 'he pointed to Gaff where to kick it' but that might've been a commentator saying that? But he certainly read the ball, covered the ground and got himself in the right position from where he was, and just read the drop of the ball so well..There were lots of little moments that could've gone either way for both teams (the random nature of football) but WC seized every opportunity in those last few minutes...

 

[timeforanother22]

What's going on with Harley? Seems to be getting target by the establishment big time. The umpires I get, as he has been chirping off to them and has put them offside (I dont like it but I understand why it is happening), but now the MRO?

I guess if you keep fining him $$$ then it doesn’t matter what we pay him, he doesn’t see it and might as well move home? Some rat cunning vAFL shit there.

 

[Cuzz09]

Oscar would have been on more goals than Jake had he played the entire year no doubt.

Also if Gaff had taken his time and North rush a point and its a draw I would've taken that as a win.

All worked out well.

Agree that the win could be covering cracks of why we were 6 goals down in the first place but it's a good sign to fight back.

I also think our inefficiency allowed north to slowly build a lead rather than north being super awesome

we kicked 0.7 between Williams 1st qtr goal and jakes 3rd qtr goal.

Had we kicked 3.4 say we are right in it. Although in that period North kicked 7.7 so could be been worse.

Young team, lots to work on, but better signs of late

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[BSD]

The kick was one of his better ones went at least 45 metres to a really dangerous spot which surprised me.

No one has given Gaff any credit for the mark he took, absolutely brilliant going back with the flight with 2 Norf players.
No mark would have meant no Oscar Allen goal.
Well done Gaffy !!!!

 

[Cuzz09]

That mark was mid 90s Carey-esque

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[mattyc75]

One thing that stands out with Waterman and Allen is that they're not reliable set shots. They have period where they miss nothing (Waterman against GC and Allen 2nd half against North) to periods where they make the simple look hard (Waterman against North and Allen 1st half).

Makes me appreciate how spoilt we were last decade. Had JK, Darling and Lecca all very reliable set shots.

Waterman is one of the most reliable set shots in the league. Allen was pretty good too before his injury

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