Opinion Round 22 Changes vs. Brisbane

[YelloMit]

Might be a nice change from the constant insults and derogatory remarks that you fail to moderate.

 

[hotchips81]

The first change is obvious unfortunately for Duffy. You are an easy target when you only played for five minutes. Will keep his spot if Ballantyne isn't back though. Has a future at freo based off the limited vision I've seen of him.

Can't see who comes in for Fyfe though as he'll get a week IMO. Can't see how they can warrant two weeks but considering Lewis went off the ground for a bit I can't see him getting off. Perhaps a reprimand if he's lucky. Probably needs to be a midfielder to replace him though so maybe a De Boer, Morabito, Suban or Sheridan type. Probably prefer Suban at this point in time.

Will be interesting to see the medical report on Lewis...they will probably overstate the significance to bend us over...but, in reality it didn't look to have affected him too much during his 43 possession afternoon

 

[StingBitten]

I really don't want to see Duffy get dropped as he barely had time to prove himself, I think he could be as influential in the forward line as Taberner and Crozier. With that said Ballantyne comes in for someone and if nobody is injured it has to be Duffy.

 

[Gekko71]

In regards to changes, I think ballaz for Duffy, with Duffy as an emergency for next week. This change is not based on Duffy's game, but on the need to include Ballaz - that's all.

Didn't see any bad injuries, so I'm assuming the only other sub's will be forced by the MRP, and if Fyfe is rubbed out for a game, I'm severely tempted to play Morra - he's still only at 80% IMO, but even at 80% he's an imposing threat... and if there is ANY chance to get Morra up to 90% for the finals, we should go for it. I think Miltz is rights and our extra speed on the ground was very handy - Morra's big body and line breaking speed would be very handy.

 

[hotchips81]

Outs Fyfe (susp), Duffy

In Ballas, Suban

Duffy unlucky but we will need another through the mids to replace Fyfe.

Mayne safe for this week.

 

[rgauci]

What the **** is wrong with you guys, we just knocked off Hawthorn. Enjoy it, don't bicker about ins and outs.

 

[smokingjacket]

Except I haven't said that Mayne will definitely be dropped.

Cop out. Put it on the line if you mean it otherwise it doesn't mean anything. Saying that Mayne isn't playing as well as he has in the past is pretty obvious and despite your persecution complex, a lot of people have said the same thing on here. I thought Taberner played alright today but he's not a better player than Mayne.

I just said his spot become more tentative each time a new forward line player establishes themselves. You would think that is just plain common sense (since it's logically true for every player in every team in the league), but there is a distinct lack of that around here.

mmmyeah, this is common sense so why bother getting so heated about it? Pav's spot becomes more tentative as more players establish themselves in the forward line as well. Taberner hasn't established himself though, he had one good game with stats of 15d 7k 8h 6m 1t 1g. Mayne had 13d 6 marks and 6 tackles. It's just as likely that Taberner makes way for Ballantyne as Duffy to be honest. Ballantyne is a lead up forward just like Tabs.

I agree that people should be a little bit more open to different ideas around here, especially when half of the time posters are dealing in the hypothetical, but at the same time the default position of any supporter should be support for the team. If you want to have contrarian opinions then be prepared for blow back. However that makes it sweeter when you're right.

Unfortunately for you pokers I'm 100% confident that you are dead wrong on this one and I'm willing to bet on it. Was at the game and it was easily Mayne's best game for the year and would rank in one of his career best games. His off the ball work in restricting Hawthorns rebound out of d50 was outstanding. Might not come across the TV but he was one of our best today. If we're a team based on pressure then Mayne is critical to that. The big thing was that he also held his marks and always made a contest. Very, very good game.

 

[pokerspiv]

Cop out. Put it on the line if you mean it otherwise it doesn't mean anything. Saying that Mayne isn't playing as well as he has in the past is pretty obvious and despite your persecution complex, a lot of people have said the same thing on here.

Did those people then get called idiots by half the board?

mmmyeah, this is common sense so why bother getting so heated about it?

Maybe because a dozen people jumped in to insult me for saying it? Did you even read the thread?

Taberner hasn't established himself though, he had one good game with stats of 15d 7k 8h 6m 1t 1g. Mayne had 13d 6 marks and 6 tackles. It's just as likely that Taberner makes way for Ballantyne as Duffy to be honest. Ballantyne is a lead up forward just like Tabs.

This is where we part company, I'm afraid. Completely ignores that Taberner is 197cm and a big part of the reason we kicked 110 points today is that we had a 2nd tall to free up Pavlich and give structure to our forward line.

That is why Taberner won't go out before Duffy, and to say that "Ballantyne is just like Tabs" is clearly ridiculous. Ballantyne (for all his good points) will never draw Brian Lake to play on him. Taberner did today. And having a 2nd tall forward to keep opposition defences honest is something we've been searching for for close to 2 years.

 

[Freeeoo]

Seriously, how dangerous do we look with all the speed we have in our team now. Imagine when ballas gets back!

Dead right but unless we win centre clearances we don't fully take advantage of that speed. Mundy finding form (he was awesome today imo) is so important to our chances.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Morabito is also a chance to come in.

Most likely outs are Duffy or Crozier, although Mayne's spot must come into question at some point, especially now that we have a genuine 2nd tall.

Jeezus, even for you that is a disgraceful call.

Did you even watch the game? Miss Mayne's tackling, handballs, score involvements and especially his hard at it work in the first half when the rest of our guys were mis-firing?? What about his classy effort in the last when he got smashed, held the mark and still played on to good effect??

At least 9 of the blokes in today's Freo side are in line to get dropped before Mayne. Not that any of them should get dropped, just no way was Mayne in our worst ten players...

Meanwhile, at least 25 blokes in Peel's side are a chance to play for us before Sylvia. He should go back to Melbourne, they might play him after today's effort.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Morabito is also a chance to come in.

Most likely outs are Duffy or Crozier, although Mayne's spot must come into question at some point, especially now that we have a genuine 2nd tall.

WTF You Have NFI of what a good footballer is .
You must have watched a different game to me to make that statement .
Mayne's pressure caused more head aches for Hawthorn than they could handle . He unlike Sylvia ,De Boer and anyone else had impact and gave the defenders hell in all his contests .

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Was at the game and it was easily Mayne's best game for the year and would rank in one of his career best games. His off the ball work in restricting Hawthorns rebound out of d50 was outstanding. Might not come across the TV but he was one of our best today. If we're a team based on pressure then Mayne is critical to that. The big thing was that he also held his marks and always made a contest. Very, very good game.

Very astute points.

I agree that Mayney's game rates as one of his best ever for us. He won't be dropped, and Tabs (or Ape or Kep or Gumby) coming in just makes Mayney more likely to stay in the side because it frees him up to do the things that only manic Chris Mayne can do.

Despite his sensational year in front of goals last year, Chris' natural game is not (and never will be) as a scoring forward - he is (under Ross Lyon especially) the classic defensive forward, pressure hard to keep it in, chase hard when the defenders look like getting it out, and create a contest when the ball comes into the 50. Leave it to Ballas, Walters, Pav and company to actually kick the goals...

 

[clivenator26]

Ballaz for Duffy.

Neale/DPearce/Crozier for sub.

 

[Kunna17]

Very astute points.

I agree that Mayney's game rates as one of his best ever for us. He won't be dropped, and Tabs (or Ape or Kep or Gumby) coming in just makes Mayney more likely to stay in the side because it frees him up to do the things that only manic Chris Mayne can do.

Despite his sensational year in front of goals last year, Chris' natural game is not (and never will be) as a scoring forward - he is (under Ross Lyon especially) the classic defensive forward, pressure hard to keep it in, chase hard when the defenders look like getting it out, and create a contest when the ball comes into the 50. Leave it to Ballas, Walters, Pav and company to actually kick the goals...

and crozier and tabener and fyfe and barlow and hill and possibly even d.pearce

 

[pokerspiv]

Very astute points.

I agree that Mayney's game rates as one of his best ever for us..

Mayne was serviceable today. He certainly wasn't in our best players. But the issue is not just today's game, it's team structure, and the fact that he's been down on form all year.

Mayne may well be a better player than Taberner. And Morabito is a better player than Zac Clarke. But Zac Clarke is in the team because he is a ruckman and Morabito is not.

 

[Righteo]

All I know at this stage is I want Tabs to stay in. Duffy to make way for Ballas the only thing I'd be sure of at this stage and that's pending fitness.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

I assume you won't be naming any of them though. That would require actually putting your own opinion out there to be judged, rather than just shitting on the opinion of other people.

More likely to go out that Mayne (note that unlike troll poker, I don't "want" anyone out as I don't play favourites, I just give fair comments to all Freo players):

In order - Duffy, Spurr, Zaarke, D Pearce, Tabs, Croz, Gu, Silva {not flog Sylvia as he isn't in the team}, Sutty. And before today's game I'd also have had Mundy to be dropped ahead of Mayne, Mundy has had a horrid last three games, he really turned it around bigtime today.

Note that as well as calling for Mayney to be dropped you have also called Tabs "shit at AFL level" and claimed that Sylvia is a classy AFL player who should be in our side and is just being played out of position (presumably any position that requires a heart being out of position).

Your posts add nothing to your reputation as a flog. No doubt a brick is on its way to me...

 

[DMan 11]

Balla's for Duffy is the obvious one.
I'd back suban in for Fyfe if the MRP deem it so.

The thing most are overlooking is the sub role.
Obvious choice to me will be Neale.

Brisbane do have a fleet of runners through the middle so we'd want to have a similar one in reserve ready to roll.
Ball's and Walters to push up and provide a chop out for us.

Could duffield possibly get the vest ?

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

I assume you won't be naming any of them though. That would require actually putting your own opinion out there to be judged, rather than just shitting on the opinion of other people.

By the way, classy to call me out as not having any courage when you, oh very courageous standard bearer of righteous indignant floggery, seem to have "misplaced" your post earlier in this thread.

 

[mike91]

A great game?

You are a very kind marker.

13 disposals and no goals isn't a great game by anyone's standards, not even Mayne's.

......where do I start with you?

 

[pokerspiv]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/round-21-changes-vs-hawthorn.1072512/page-4#post-34449388

Last weeks changes thread, where most of the board bags me for saying we should play Taberner. Including Salim Malik, theGav556 etc.

 

[theGav56]

Taberner; 15 possessions, 6 marks, 1 tackle, 1 goal. Good game.

Mayne; 13 possessions, 6 marks, 6 tackles, 0 goals. Good game.

Strange that anyone could think either of them became more likely to be dropped after that game.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Yes I watched the game. Mayne was awful in the first half. Improved in the 2nd but the fact is that with Taberner having cemented a spot for at least the next 2 weeks, Mayne's spot just became more tentative.

I know you aren't very smart, but I'm not going to hold back any more. People have been giving it to me here all year. If you think Mayne is an automatic selection based on today's game then you are an imbecile.

Idiots like you were saying the exact same things about De Boer and Suban last week. And calling me stupid for saying they were a chance to be dropped, just as you are now. The fact is that Mayne has had little impact all year, and is a chance to be dropped. I don't think he will be yet, but he's certainly on the verge.

uh oh ... i feel a bricking coming ... better get your helmets on guys

 

[Spoken4]

Balla's for Duffy is the obvious one.
I'd back suban in for Fyfe if the MRP deem it so.

The thing most are overlooking is the sub role.
Obvious choice to me will be Neale.

Brisbane do have a fleet of runners through the middle so we'd want to have a similar one in reserve ready to roll.
Ball's and Walters to push up and provide a chop out for us.

Could duffield possibly get the vest ?

Why Suban and not Morabito or even Ballard? They are playing better footy than him.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Taberner; 15 possessions, 6 marks, 1 tackle, 1 goal. Good game.

Mayne; 13 possessions, 6 marks, 6 tackles, 0 goals. Good game.

Strange that anyone could think either of them became more likely to be dropped after that game.

It's just 1 poster.