Toast Round 22 = Collingwood 109-101 Geelong

[Horaceg]

That one was truly bizarre. Not sure what happened - Rodan doesn't usually make mistakes

Rodan seems like a decent bloke, probably like the rest of us was hoping Ollie missed, thought about it for a second and gave the correct call.

 

[neilk]

Rodan seems like a decent bloke, probably like the rest of us was hoping Ollie missed, thought about it for a second and gave the correct call.

See the post by Tarkyn_24 previous page and it makes more sense.

 

[Horaceg]

See the post by Tarkyn_24 previous page and it makes more sense.

OK

 

[sr36]

That one was truly bizarre. Not sure what happened - Rodan doesn't usually make mistakes

He did the chest pat, which they normally only do when it's a point. But they then actually signal a point. What does the chest pat actually mean?

 

[sideswipe]

He did the chest pat, which they normally only do when it's a point. But they then actually signal a point. What does the chest pat actually mean?

Its basically a "normal", or catch all, behind - other types of behinds get their own special signals. Touched over the goal line, hit the post, knee or above by an attacking player. Lots of theatrical options for those little performers.

 

[unplugged]

Its basically a "normal", or catch all, behind - other types of behinds get their own special signals. Touched over the goal line, hit the post, knee or above by an attacking player. Lots of theatrical options for those little performers.

Funnily enough if you throw back to the Footy Show End of Year Revue, Rodan often took the chocolates. Maybe an umpire stage show could entertain the masses

 

[gouki88]

He did the chest pat, which they normally only do when it's a point. But they then actually signal a point. What does the chest pat actually mean?

Tarkyn_24 gave a bit of info above. The more you know!

 

[sideswipe]

The initial signal is to indicate to the other umpires that a score has been attained, and not necessarily that the score itself is a behind. Customarily it is used for behinds to prevent umpires expending unnecessary energy but in this case basically just an indication that the ball doesn’t need to be collected by the umpire (as the shot was after the siren )

Technically correct by the goal umpire, but customarily a signal that gets associated with a behind being scored.

Sorry this is wrong. If the above was the case, we might see the scumps hit their chest then signal a goal, which we don't.

 

[sr36]

Sorry this is wrong. If the above was the case, we might see the scumps hit their chest then signal a goal, which we don't.

Googled it. The Yanks agree with Tarkyn_24

https://usafl.com/files/umpiring/Goal_Umpiring.pdf

So you're probably right.

 

[sideswipe]

Googled it. The Yanks agree with Tarkyn_24

https://usafl.com/files/umpiring/Goal_Umpiring.pdf

So you're probably right.

Ask yourself, have you ever seen a chest hit then a goal signalled? Reads like it was written by an imaginative idiot. Check the header.

 

[sr36]

Ask yourself, have you ever seen a chest hit then a goal signalled? Reads like it was written by an imaginative idiot. Check the header.

We saw it on Friday night.

I'm more concerned about how stupid the goal umpires must think we are. They signal a behind through tapping their chest, the post, their hands. Then they signal a behind again with the one arm and then they signal it again by waving one flag. Yeah we get it mate.

 

[sideswipe]

We saw it on Friday night.

I'm more concerned about how stupid the goal umpires must think we are. They signal a behind through tapping their chest, the post, their hands. Then they signal a behind again with the one arm and then they signal it again by waving one flag. Yeah we get it mate.

They don't just signal whether it's a goal or behind. They tell their story with interpretive dance.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Ask yourself, have you ever seen a chest hit then a goal signalled? Reads like it was written by an imaginative idiot. Check the header.

Lmao I hadn’t noticed that. Very biased but you’d presume the author at least would know what they’re talking about

 

[neilk]

Ask yourself, have you ever seen a chest hit then a goal signalled? Reads like it was written by an imaginative idiot. Check the header.

Isn't the chest pat an indicator that the boundary umpires don't need to keep running to retrieve the ball and relay it to the centre for a bounce? Ie. chest pat, stay where you are as it will be a kick-in. No chest pat, it's a goal so keep running and get the ball back to the centre for the bounce. I guess it was more relevant when there was only one boundary umpire, not 16 like there is today(slight exageration).

 

[sideswipe]

Lmao I hadn’t noticed that. Very biased but you’d presume the author at least would know what they’re talking about

The world of goal umpire signals is cloaked in tradition, storytelling and mystery. 1 google search gave me this on the chest slap. See page 7.

https://essendondfl.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Goal-Umpire-Manual-2019.pdf

Isn't the chest pat an indicator that the boundary umpires don't need to keep running to retrieve the ball and relay it to the centre for a bounce? Ie. chest pat, stay where you are as it will be a kick-in. No chest pat, it's a goal so keep running and get the ball back to the centre for the bounce. I guess it was more relevant when there was only one boundary umpire, not 16 like there is today(slight exageration).

Maybe that's a by-product of the signal. But a touched/hit the post signal also gives that message to the boundary scumps.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Sorry this is wrong. If the above was the case, we might see the scumps hit their chest then signal a goal, which we don't.

Scumps need to retrieve the ball and run it back to the centre after a goal though. They don’t after a behind or a goal after the siren, hence chest pat.

 

[windchimes]

The world of goal umpire signals is cloaked in tradition, storytelling and mystery. 1 google search gave me this on the chest slap. See page 7.

https://essendondfl.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Goal-Umpire-Manual-2019.pdf

Maybe that's a by-product of the signal. But a touched/hit the post signal also gives that message to the boundary scumps.

I see you've found the codification by my local footy league.

I can assure you all this explanation is the correct one, as the goal umpires in this league should know a thing or two about this. I gave them ample chances to practice signalling for goals when I was a younger chimes.

(Mostly goals kicked on me)

 

[sideswipe]

I see you've found the codification by my local footy league.

I can assure you all this explanation is the correct one, as the goal umpires in this league should know a thing or two about this. I gave them ample chances to practice signalling for goals when I was a younger chimes.

(Mostly goals kicked on me)

full back?

 

[sideswipe]

Scumps need to retrieve the ball and run it back to the centre after a goal though. They don’t after a behind or a goal after the siren, hence chest pat.

Signalling touched/hit post/above the knee has the same effect.

 

[Apex36]

Just watched Ollie’s last goal.
Looked like a point and Rodan was about to signal one yet paid it a goal?

It was bizarre. Posters on the main board thread we’re giving s**t to Bryshaw for calling it a behind, but it only happened because Rodan literally started signalling for one before just changing his mind.

 

[Apex36]

To go all the way this year, we need to get more out of JDG. These 18 disposal, no goal games won't cut the mustard come September.

He stepped up in a huge way during the finals last year and we need that again from him. He hasn't been the same player since his suspension but we need to see a big lift over the next 2 weeks, then he'll be primed to tear apart the finals.

I think when you’ve got 20 disposals and 8 of them are score involvements, that’s perfectly fine. Points to his touches being generally high impact rather than meaningless touches. We’d all like him to be getting 30 and a couple of goals, but his output is by no means poor either.

 

[Apex36]

Great psychological attack on the masses, watch how many change their tunes because they want to be seen as Knowledgeable.

Media and sjw agenda driven types have been using that tactic successfully for a long time.

Mate, that comment was in relation to the handball receive Cameron got that was on the astroturf. Nobody is going to change their tune over that incident, regardless of how much Scott gaslights them.

 

[Jafo]

Won't even touch on the umpiring or the Cameron too, but, it was such a great win.
Apart from the 1st quarter, the boys really started to find their DNA again after a little struggle for a little while.

Everyone post game outside the ground was talking about Ginni. It's like he came back from the 2nds as a different player. So humble, selfless -- sometimes too selfless, as the whole crowd was riding the wave of everytime he got near the ball; the crowd would erupt. Just waiting for a goal. The next time he gets a goal, hopefully under the roof at marvel, it's gonna be insane.
Such a mature performance, it feels like he has really started to grow up the last few months, and he is still a kid. This year while challenging, it feels it's gonna put him on the right path going forward. Having played these games in the VFL might have been the best thing that could have happened to him this year.
I thought his pressure was really good, just really clean, in and under contested, a one touch plays. Could have easily had a number of goals, but was selfless and very much team orientated and gave them off to those closer to goal. The coaches would love it, even if the crowd did not haha.
It's also no surprise he provided the spark we had been missing for a while now. The game turned when he was on field, just gave us this energy we didn't have.

Lippa was fantastic. It's amazing what happens when you play players in their natural positions. Great to see him back in good form, its where he should continue for the rest of the year.

Checkers is another I was happy for. There had been multiple calls to drop him even he hadn't been in the best form and hadn't kicked a goal in a while; but he does play well against Geelong, so I was optimistic it was gonna be his night. And it was. A great return back on the scoreboard.

Thought Frampton did well, battled hard all night and it was not an easy task, but clearly his inclusion makes us better, and helps to spring Howe forward. Speaking of Howe, they could have blinked when Moore went down and put him back in defence, but they didn't. It was a good move. They trusted those down there to do the job, and having Howe forward gave a different look. It's not like its a position he is unfamilar with either.

The vets in Adams, Mitchell and Pendles had a better second half, but I dare say come next year, we'll have a new look midfield, because not sure we can have all three in the centre square.

Mcstay just keeps getting better every week, you start to understand why they targeted him, and how he does help this team. He's only getting started too. Will play a big part in september.

Bobby was really great playing up the ground, and I reckon that's where his future lies. Wing/forward, and having Ginni in the team just allows this and makes him even better. As Ginni said post game, there was a view that these two cannot play in the same team, but that's clearly not the case. Not it's just on the coaches to make it happen going forward.

2-3 days post his miracle recovery, Murphy really stood up in this game, especially when Darcy went down. The amount of intercept marks he took, even if it didn't appear he didn't had that many touches; he was instrumental.

Both Noble and IQ were great. Noble especially with his run, until he ended up on one leg and sore, but he just keeps showing up week in and week out, just doing what needs to be done for this team.

Now its onto Brisbane.

I’m not too worried about Brions. I’m worried about Marvel.

 

[magpies42]

Pendles was looking like he was ready for retirement 1 and half quarters in. Looked slow, weak in the contest plus unusually fumbly and poor disposal.
But he tturned it around with the team and led the pressure back on Geelong f4om there with what overall ended up an OK game from him.

The end is definitely closer then the beggining and its starting to become more noticeable. Not sure if a role change is needed from the midfield FT to part time and maybe HB.

He will come into his come finals, I think he just needs a spell.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Watched the replay last night and for all that is being said about Pendlebury, I thought he did a lot of good things.
Might not be the 'old' Pendles but the brain is still sharp.

Is slower but the class is still there.

JDaicos was superb.

Edit: gee the umpiring, some terrible decisions mostly against us.

When four umpires were decided I thought at the time that there weren't sufficient good umpires for 5 (reserve) at every game even though I thought one of the arguments for 4 was that some may do two games over the round. Not sure that has happened.

What ever happened to taking out the legs rule?

And the “stand” rule. Been some howlers over the last few weeks.